Poopypants IBE Epistane and Primordial Performance 1-T Super Stack

[poopypants]

Alright fellas, Havnt EVER logged anything over here in all my years of being a member, havnt posted much either as in reality my home is at AM.com, BUT with a stack of this magnitude and logging a New product across the boards I figured it was time to build some green over here and offer you guys my detailed and unbiased review of this new precursor 1-Test transdermal from Primordial Performance stacked with my personal favorite Epistane.

I dont wanna hear complaints about the usage of this with Epistane though, just take it FWIW and keep in mind Ive run Epistane standalone already (log found here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...tml#post811500) as well as a previous 6 week super stack with Dbol. SO I should be able to distinguish the difference and unique effects that 1-T will bring to the equation.


Technically this cycle is already in progress, has been for 2.5 weeks BUT JUST was able to add 1-T today as it just arrived. Up until this point I have used transdermal DHEA to mimic a Dermacrine effect somewhat alongside a 40mg Epistane dose. Just bumped the dose to 50mg Epistane this sunday and added the 1-T today.

NOW.... I have been logging up this point as well... just only on AM.com... the link for that log is here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...ants-team.html

But if you guys will allow me please dont post for a moment, I will go ahead and reserve some more positions/posts in this thread and then edit in ALL the updates for you fellas so you dont have to weed through my 15 pages of banter to get the meat of the cycle thus far.

With that being said and introduction complete, time to get to copying and most importantly the initial review of 1-T and then onward...


Please dont post momentarily, I will update when its ok to start the barrage. thanks guys.

[poopypants]

Transformation LOG

The PP and T1 chronicles

ninja turtle style b!tches

LOL. Damn feels good to get this started!!! been lookin forward to it for some time now as I havnt run a REAL cycle for almost a year and this time will be doing so side by side with my good pal Trauma1.

As my good buddy has laid out we will be hitting this one off the start with two well known and widely loved compounds and adding into the mix the soon to be released T-1 from Primordial Performance.

Im gonna go ahead and break down a lil more of the details on my end of things to give you all a peek on the Mayhem.....

Cycle plan as of now

Epistane
40/40/40/50/60/60/(60/60 may or may not go 8 weeks)
DHEA TD(in penetrate)
2x60mged/2x60mged/0/0/0/0/(2x60mged/2x60mged)
1-T
0/0/rec/rec/rec/rec



Supporting supps and goodies

Pslin (Bulk, 21g)
Creatine Monohydrate (Bulk, 500g)
Beta Alanine (Bulk, 100g)
Taurine (Bulk, 500g)
Poseidon (900g)
Xtend (340g, watermelon)
BCAA 2:1:1 (Bulk, 900g)
L-Leucine (Bulk, 500g)
Vegtable Glycerine (16oz)



Pre/Intra/Post W.O. protocol

1 hour before

400mg Pslin
60g blended Oats (into powder)
30g pro powder
1 cup milk
1 banana
5g Crea mono
4g beta alanine
2.5g Taurine
5g Poseidon

intra

2 servings Xtend
5g Leucine
2g Beta alanine
5g Creatine mono
2.5g taurine
5g poseidon
2-4g GMS

shake post

400mg Pslin
40g pro pow
2 cup milk
1 cup blended oats (60g)
3g Leucine
1 banana



I will hopefully be able to afford a fairly extensive and FUN PCT protocol as well.... as I accrue the items I will formulate the total PCT and post it up a couple weeks prior, but know that I have tamox, Torem and letro all on hand right now so Im fully armed and ready for any on cycle estrogen control or abort (heaven forbid) set up if necessary.

heres a shot of what I just did on prime and will serve as a starting photo as well for this log....


Now with that its time to tear this biatch UP!!!!

[poopypants]

11/6/08



Alright guys... I actually started dosing the Epi @40mg and 2x DHEA @ 50mg on monday(11/3/08) as well as 10g Creatine(5g morning and pre workout) and 5g taurine (split the same)


I will be receiving the Pslin, BCAA, L-Leucine, BA and Veg glycerine on saturday and will start the planned protocol then that I outlined above.

I will be running a 5 day split that looks like this
Mon - shoulders/tris
Tues- back/bi
Wed- off
Thurs- Chest
Fri- Legs
Sat- Arms (bi/tri)
sun- off

I will start posting up workouts and lifts for comparison tonight which is chest.


Heres starting stats as well

Weight:195lbs

Arm R:17"
Arm L:16 5/8"
Chest:46"
oblique/under:35"/34"
Shoulders:52.5"
Thighs:21 1/4"/21 1/2"(R/L)
Calves:16.5"

INSANITY REPORT

All right Ive officially lost my mind and stand true to my namesake as I have a giant anabolic load in my pants right now......

I always weigh myself once (sometimes twice) a week and at night usually on chest(thurs).... so as inaccurate as a night time weigh in may be it still is a week apart and the previous weigh in was at the same time... so increases and changes should still be fairly accurate...

well tonight I just lost it when I got on the scale. Now Ill say that I havnt taken creatine monohydrate for quite some time now, prob 4 or 5 weeks when I ran out of it mid way through my PRIME and Pslin run... I never dropped a bit of weight after ceasing it, in fact I continued to gain at the same rate and also have put on another lb weighing 195 since ending prime as well(a week and a half or so) as of last thurs.....

Since that thurs to be exact I have been dosing creatine mono at 10g ed w/ 5g taurine, starting mon I started dosing Epi 40mg ed and DHEA in Penetrate @ 50mg 2x ed and when I weighed myself this evening I came in at a solid 200lbs!!!!


:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:


Now I know a majority of this is water weight BUT this means nothing to me.... I JUST started on a good sized/dose Epi cycle, I have yet to even re-introduce pslin which Ive been off of for 3 weeks and am about to test out a stack with a possibly very anabolic transdermal while mega dosing BCAA's and L-Leucine and Im already 5lbs heavier... DAMN THIS IS GONNA BE A GOOOOOD CYCLE!!!!


muuuhahahahhahahaha

poops has gone cooky folks.

[poopypants]

11/6/08

from the report above you can see I was amply pumped from the fact that I weighed in so high... helped fuel my workout for sure. Also this is the first time Ive come back to flat DB press for a while, been sticking strictly to incline for the last lil bit to improve my upper chest but will now do a combination to work on overall strength and chest development and should be able to accomplish both at the same time easily enough on a cycle of this type.

heres the lifts I will be typically be doing for this cycle with some slight variations but mostly the same to gauge progress and overall changes.... but I like this workout alot so wont change it at all for some time if I can help it, (cant help if someone is using my next station and I dont wait for stuff to free up, gotta keep the momentum going.... but ooooo does this piss me off when someone is where I want to go) if anything I will add to this routine and increase volume as I go.

Lifts:
warm up, 25 incline pushups
Flat DB press- 60x10, 75x10, 90x7
Incline DB Press- 45x10, 55x10, 70x10
Incline smith press- 135x10, 165x10, 165x10, 175x11.5
Cable fly(l/r)-45/45x10, 60/60x10, 80/80x8, 60/60x12
Dips- BWx10, x12(wide), x10

This was it, was quite good and pumped after this and it was all done in about 35min as I got there late this night. Still had a pretty good pump all the next day as well through my upper chest even and feeling good, no DOMS. Like I said this will likely stay my routine with maybe a few more exercises on the days I have more time, most likely some cable presses and light weight super TUT(45sec reps) incline bench.

cant wait to start seeing these numbers skyrocket, was hitting 110lb and 120lb DB's on flat bench in the past, in fact while on epi at that so I expect to get back to that number quickly as I hanvt done Flat in a while but should be able to reacquire that strength again and hopefully surpass it, specially since I was doing that at 185 and Im a good lean 15lbs bigger now.... we will see.

[poopypants]

11/8/08

I got my package today BTW!!!!!

So right now I just downed....

20mg Epistane (applied) 50mg of DHEA.

AND am about to down....

400mg Pslin
60g blended Oats (into powder)
30g pro powder
1.5-2 cup milk
2.5g Crea mono
2g beta alanine
2.5g Taurine
1 TBSP Veg Glycerine

and then taking with me to the gym...

400g pslin
32 oz Gatorade powder
10g Leucine
3g Beta alanine
5g Creatine mono
2.5g taurine
1 TBSP Veg Glycerine


Still waiting on the BCAA, Xtend and Poseidon from trades or ebay purchases and will adjust the above as I get these.... BUT until then I see a killer Arm workout in my very near future.

Originally Posted by poopypants

400g pslin
32 oz Gatorade powder
10g Leucine
3g Beta alanine
5g Creatine mono
2.5g taurine
1 TBSP Veg Glycerine

ok THIS was frickin NASTY!!!

I wont be mixing in my pslin with anything other then possibly an experimental protein shake but otherwise Ill be powderchuting it with some water.

The 10g of L-leucine never mixed in either, a majority of it was just floating on the top the entire time and had trouble getting it to even come out at the end as it was sticking to the sides of the bottle instead..... will try this one more time with 5 grams intra with the gatorade and/or Poseidon and Xtend when I get those and then 5g in my post protein shake as I think it would mix into a shake more easily then a water based drink.

These facts aside I still had a fairly decent workout and some pretty good pumps.

Heres how it went down.

Lifts:

Warm up DB curls(l/r)- 20/20x15
Seated Cable curls- 50x10, 50x10 (done on seated row with elbows on knees for isolation)

Super Set 1
EZ bar skull crusher- 45x10
EZ reverse Curl- 45x10
EZ bar skull crusher- 55x10
EZ reverse Curl- 55x10
EZ bar skull crusher- 65x10
EZ reverse Curl- 65x8
EZ bar skull crusher- 65x10

SS 2
Single hand tri press down(l/r)- 40x10
Over head Cable curl(l/r)- 40x15
Single hand tri press down(l/r)- 50x10
Over head Cable curl(l/r)- 50x10
Single hand tri press down(l/r)- 65x10

Reverse grip tri pulldown- 95x10, 95x10, 115x10
V-grip Tri pressdown- 40x10, 50x10, 55x15
db curl (l/r alternating)- 25x30(15/15)



Like I said great pump from this but started to get a headache by the end from the sheer nastiness of that drink... BLEH!
But so cool to work tris and bis together again, even my delts were pumped and veins were standing off my bis like pencils.... wish I had more forearm veinage like I used to at 140lbs... wonder how low a BF% id have to get to see em more... wonder if they are still there even or got pulled into the muscle as my forarms are pretty dang defined with my brachials standing out more and more every week... maybe this cycle will bring em back to the surface.

am about to go back and update the chest workout from the other day too....

[poopypants]

11/10/08

WHEW!!!

Just went and tore my shoulders a new one! My tris are feelin pretty tight right now too as Im typing this and sippin on my post workout shake.

I decided to weigh myself tonight as well as I have been urinating an awkwardly large amount today.... like once every hour between 10 and 2 and then at least 2 or 3 times since then as well... not lil tiny tinkles either, normal volume.... I thought this was odd as I just started my pslin dosing on fri have been dosing it a lil through the weekend to build it up and also been dosing at least 8-10g of creatine monohydrate as well (usually 3g alongside 224mg of pslin with meals) and had a gatorade with some Taurine and a gram of BA in it today as well..... figured that would saturate me pretty well but it was going right through me, in fact I felt as though I was losing the fight to stay hydrated with all that going..... Any ways down to id I weighed in at 200.5 tonight instead of less! Very impressive in my eyes considering I was sure I was more depleted tonight of liquid then last thursd. but the scale dont lie!

Also got my Poseidon when I checked the mail today so added that intra workout and will continue dosing 3x ed.

Any ways todays dosing went as planned:

Morn
10mg Epi with 50mg DHEA TD

Lunch
10mg Epi

Preworkout
20mg Epi with 50mg DHEA TD

also

breakfast
224mg pslin with shake (80g oats, 2cup milk, 30g whey, 2tbsp PB)
3g Creatine mono
1g BA

pre workout
224mg pslin with shake (same as breakfast w/o PB)
5.5g Leucine
3g crea mono
1g BA

Intra workout
10g Poseidon
4g BA
3g Crea mono
2.5g Taurine

Post workout
224mg Pslin w/ Same shake as breakfast
5.5g Leucine




Heres tonights lifts:

DB lateral raise(l/r)- 20/20x10, 20/20x10
HS iso shoulder press(l/r)- 90/90x10, 90/90x8(Wide), 90/90x7 (narrow)
Smith shoulder press*- 95x10, 115x10, 135x10
Arnold DB Press(l/r)- 25/25x10, 30/30x10, 40/40x10
EZ bar skull crusher- 45x10, 55x10, 65x10
Standing row(super shrug)- 45lb plate x10, x10, x10
Laying DB Skull crusher(l/r)- 20x10, 25x10/8
Vbar cable press down- 50x10, 75x10, 125x10

SUPER SET cable raises.
20lbs
Right lateral, Left lateral, Right front, Left front
25lbs
Right lateral, Left lateral, Right front, Left front

*would get the bar just below the chin and elbows below 90* and then slowly raise to about eybrow, 3-4 sec, and then explode for complete contraction without lockout.


was a real good workout and def felt it in both my delts and my tris. Im really liking this routine for shoulders with a slight tweak here and there but will likely try to remain with this set up and order to better track progress throughout the cycle, did the same workout last week minus the smith machine presses, but I likey those so they are in now.

Cant wait to get this Xtend and see what everyones been talking about, got the watermelon flavor which Ive heard is oh so tasty so I hope Im not disappointed and that it will help with intra set recovery and stamina along with my current concoction.

alright gonna hit the hay now as the pooper is def pooped, gnight all.

[poopypants]

11/11/08


Last nights workout was absolutely awesome. I couldnt believe how good the mind muscle connection was going on with the back exercises. I was able to concentrate greatly on the contractions for the back lifts so much it was great. Also once I started onto the Bis it only took a single set to get them incredibly pumped up, almost beyond what was functional after a lil bit. Had one of the other regulars that I always am friendly with who also has something like 21" or 22" inch guns stop me mid as I was walking between sessions to ask what I was up to size wise now and that my arms are lookin way bigger when I told him I think they are only 17".... might have to remeasure soon and will def measure this next arms day as Im curious at what they pump up to.

Stamina was increased GREATLY and when I got to the bis section of the workout it felt as though I hadnt been lifting at all and was starting fresh.... dunno if its cause I was able to concentrate on the back contractions so well (although I felt a slight pump in the bis still so they had to be getting hit slightly) or what but Im pretty sure that this cycle is starting to get into the swing and cant wait to see what these next couple weeks will bring, especially once I get to add 1-T to this madness and see if it can step it up a notch.

Heres how the lifts went down.

Pull Ups- 10, 8
Iso HS front lat pulldown- 90x10(simultaneous), 70x20*, 70x10(simultaneous)
Lat Pull down- 130x10, 100x10(behind head), 120x10 (wiiiide)
Low seated row**- 100x10, 120x10, 90x12
Hammer Curl- 35x20(l/r alternating), 40x20(same)
BB curl- 65x10
Reverse grip EZ bar curl- 45x10, 55x10
DBcurl- 25x14 (l/r alternating)
bent over DB row- 50x10/10(R then L), 40x10/10
Over head Cable curl(L/R)- 35/35x20, 45/45x12
dual lower cable curl- 25/25x12
Seated Low row machine-80x10, 100x10, 120x10


*alternating left right never full extension to keep constant pressure

**normally do reg seated row but this was the one all the way on the floor and the foot rest is waaay to close to the machine so it was hard to not let the weight rest at extension... hopefully next time the reg station is open.

I just wanted to keep going after a lil bit... was feeling great... then I looked at my notepad and realized how much I had done already and realized it was time to just go before I hurt myself... Darn

Dosing for the day was as usual but here it was...

Morn
10mg Epi with 50mg DHEA TD

Lunch
10mg Epi

Preworkout
20mg Epi with 50mg DHEA TD

also

breakfast
224mg pslin with shake (80g oats, 2cup milk, 30g whey, 2tbsp PB)
3g Creatine mono


pre workout
(different drink before shake)
5g Poseidon
3.5g crea mono
2g BA

448mg pslin with shake (same as breakfast w/o PB)
5.5g Leucine


Intra workout
5g Poseidon
2g BA
3.5g Crea mono
2.5g Taurine

Post workout
20g of 12 hour dymatize browine, 20g of ON classic vanilla, 2tbsp PB and 2cups milk
5.5g Leucine

[poopypants]

11/12/08

Today is my off day and a time to grow and fuel up for my favorite day of the week.... Chest.

Hopefully I will see a definate change in this weeks time from last for the official weekly weigh in... I doubt Ill be dissapointed and still awestruck from last weeks find of +5lbs and already over 200... def wont be happy unless I reach 210 this cycle and thinking with everything thats going on that 215 may even be within reach... I think it will be dependent on how well this 1-T works in with the Epi... Im still itching to get that started.

Heres how todays dosing went being an off day...

Morn
10mg Epi with 50mg DHEA TD

Lunch
10mg Epi with 50mg DHEA TD

Preworkout
20mg Epi with 50mg DHEA TD

also

breakfast
224mg pslin with shake (80g oats, 2cup milk, 30g whey, 2tbsp PB)
3.5g Creatine mono

sipped on across the morning (8-12)
32oz water
5g poseidon
2.5g taurine and
1g BA and
3.5g creatine


lunch
224mg pslin with my reg lunch, a can of tuna on two wheat rolls followed by a PBJ and a bowl of cereal


before dinner
224mg pslin
3.5g creatine
2g BA


Pre bed
20g of 12 hour dymatize browine, 20g of ON classic vanilla, 2tbsp PB and 2cups milk
5.5g Leucine


lookin more cut every day on my bis and brachials on my forearms, making the seperation on the inside of my elbows look pretty cool as well as my upper chest and obliques.... so despite obviously holding more water its not being retained subcutaneously and is going right into the muscles where I want it to be maintaining a nice hard look.... poops likey... and this isnt even a third the way through!!!

[poopypants]

11/13/08, 11/14/08

Alright had to skip the WO on thursday to let the mrs go out and made up for it yesterday hittin chest then instead.

Also as I mentioned my workout was kinda different....

tonights workout went from bad->odd->good->now Im in pain, lol.

It started out REALLY slow, wasnt feeling nearly as strong as last week and by my second set I was sweating profusely. Pretty damn ridiculous actually. Stuff didnt start to pick up until my third exercise and 7th set when I actually started to feel pumped up and once I got over to a cable machine and in the path of a fan it all of a sudden was a totally different workout. Odd thing was it wasnt even all that hot anywhere in the gym BUT it seemed as though I needed to cool myself down for my body to focus more on pushing the exercise and not expending so much energy while sweating. The cable exercises were great, I REALLY felt them in my whole chest, great connection there, and was able to just push and push.

As I mentioned I said the last thing in the line of progression was I was in pain, as I had almost immediate DOMS when I got home AND my shoulder was buggin on me from my last exercise, reverse grip DB press. Dunno if Ill be doing those again even though they feel great on the muscles, my joints dont agree.

All in all it was a great workout and Im still contemplating what it could have been that bogged me down at first and lit me on fire..... and I have a couple good ideas.


I think that I was more tired and not as strong at first as I had my preworkout meal 2.25 hours before lifting w/pslin where as normally I do it 1-1.25 hours before and I was actually a lil hungry feeling walking out the door as some have experienced Pslin can make short work of whatever food you give it.

So that was the strength section.

The feeling hot as hell portion is a lil more interesting and a lil disconcerting at the same time.

I found through searching a while back some folks reporting DHEA causing hyperthyroidism although it was fairly anecdotal to say the least.

SOO as I have increased the DHEA dose the last three days (decided to move it up from 50mg 2x -> 50mg 3x -> 300mg all together yesterday) I have noticed an increase in body temp throughout the day, sweating more easily around the house even though normally Id be cool (always a lil hot blooded though) and ALOT more sweating through the night despite turning the thermostat down to try and avoid this. THEN last nights workout just over did it for me. The second I got active I was DUMPING buckets of water even though I had taken in 5g poseidon pre and was sipping on 10g poseidon in 32 oz water that was almost gone by my third exercise. Not to mention zero weight gain this last week.... this just did it for me.

I decided to hit up a respected member of the community, datbtrue, who seems to have a great ability to pull up solid studies on all sorts of subjects, namely GH hormones and peptides, but Ive seen him throw out a couple on the interaction of GH with thyroid hormones as well and figured maybe he'd heard whether or not these anecdotal claims I read about could possibly be true regarding DHEA and its correlation to hyperthyroidism.

heres the response I got

Originally Posted by datBtrue

I don't know anything off hand but a quick search came up with the following although it isn't exactly on point:

Serum Dehydroepiandrosterone, Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate, and Pregnenolone Sulfate Concentrations in Patients with Hyperthyroidism and Hypothyroidism, Noriko Tagawa, Clinical Chemistry 46: 523-528, 2000

We examined serum concentrations of DHEA, DHEA-S, and pregnenolone sulfate (PREG-S) in patients with thyroid dysfunction.
...
Conclusion: Serum concentrations of DHEA, DHEA-S, and PREG-S were decreased in hypothyroidism, whereas serum DHEA-S and PREG-S concentrations were increased but DHEA was normal in hyperthyroidism. Thyroid hormone may stimulate the synthesis of these steroids, and DHEA sulfotransferase might be increased in hyperthyroidism.

So the converse might be true that DHEA may bring on some hyperthyroidsim.

From your experience it sounds like it is true to me.

So although its not concrete in this exact study as they relate that high thyroid is causing high DHEA in this study it doesnt necessarily discredit the converse which may be that high DHEA can lead to high THYROID!

this did it for me though, seeing the two levels are elevated together is enough for me to realize that 300mg TD DHEA is WAAAAY to much for me to be taking, especially since I am genetically an Ecto and most likely alot more sensitive to thyroid activity.

I will drop back down to 50mg 2x ed and keep it there instead.

Whew!




well heres how last nights workout went.

Lifts
This week
Last week
New

Flat DB press- 60x10, 75x10, 90x6
__________________60x10, 75x10, 90x7
Incline DB Press- 45x10, 55x10, 65x8
______________ 45x10, 55x10, 70x10
Incline smith press- 135x10, 185x10, 185x10
________________ 135x10, 165x10, 165x10, 175x11.5
Cable fly(l/r)- 55/55x10, 65/65x10, 60/60x12
___________ 45/45x10, 60/60x10, 80/80x8, 60/60x12
Cable press- 50/50x10, 65/65x10, 85/85x12, 70/70x15
Rev Grip DB press- 35/35x10, 40/40x10, 50/50x9
Dips- BWx10, x12(wide), x10(last week only)



And that was all she wrote. Def decreased the volume per exercise, just cause I didnt feel strong at all and had no energy at first but then the last 3 exercises it started to pick up and was able to again increase volume and weight.

Will def be making sure I hit the gym within my normal space of time after preworkout meal and def wont be dosing DHEA that high anymore.

[poopypants]

11/15/08

WOOO HOOOO!!!!! :woohoo:

Tonights workout was absolutely pleasant especially in comparison to yesterdays!

Workout went GREAT had great pumps and great strength, felt alot stronger then last week although I didnt move up much of the numbers I will next week for sure to make up for the progress and continue challenging myself.

Veins were poppin out EVERYWHERE down my arms and just felt great through all my supersets, wasnt even winded a bit!

Plus I got home just in time to snag a live feed of the fight and get my grub on. Good night!!!

heres how my lifts went down.

This week
Last week
Same both weeks

Warm up DB curls(l/r)- 20/20x30
Seated Cable curls- 50x10, 50x10 (done on seated row with elbows on knees for isolation)
Hammer curls- 35/35x20(l/r alternating 10/10), 30x10 (simultaneous)(this week only)

Super Set 1
EZ bar skull crusher- 45x10
EZ reverse Curl- 45x10
EZ bar skull crusher- 55x10
EZ reverse Curl- 55x10
EZ bar skull crusher- 65x10
EZ reverse Curl- 65x10 (65x8)
EZ bar skull crusher- 65x10

SS 2
Single hand tri press down(l/r)- 40x10
Over head Cable curl(l/r)- 40x15
Single hand tri press down(l/r)- 50x10
Over head Cable curl(l/r)- 50x10
Single hand tri press down(l/r)- 65x10
Over head Cable curl(l/r)- 65x10(this week ony)

Reverse grip tri pulldown- 95x10, 115x10, 125x10
________________________95x10, 95x10, 115x10
SS 3*
V-grip Tri pressdown- 50x10
db curl (l/r alternating)- 25x30(15/15)
V-grip Tri pressdown- 60x10



*Last week not done as superset
V-grip Tri pressdown- 40x10, 50x10, 55x15
db curl (l/r alternating)- 25x30(15/15)


Im lovin supersetting these Arm lifts. Gives a HUGE arm pump both bis and tris at the same time and I can already feel a lil IOMS (instead of DOMS, lol). I might even bump up the volume as well next week if I can get to my gym more then an hour before closing as I finished feeling strong and still wanting more tonight.

Dosing was as planned but skipped preworkout Pslin dose and instead added in 1 cap of Xforce and double up post workout Pslin dose and still havin a great pump hours later cause of it.

Will be bumpin to 50mg tomorrow :woohoo: and hopefully will be seeing this 1-T any day now so I can get that started and into the mix, really anxious to see what it will offer over standard DHEA and Epistane alone... hope it will add some serious mass.

With that Im off to bed.... which will very soon be aided by the new Xdreams... mmmmm cant wait, I love my sleep so anything that can improve it is more then welcome.

[poopypants]

11/16/08, 11/17/08


NICE

Well day 13 was the start of dosing at 50mg of Epi :twisted: was plannin on going another week first BUT decided on doing it now so I had a steady dose before starting 1-T, didnt want to mix the effects of boosting 10mg and starting a new compound at the same time, would make it harder to distinguish the origin of the effects I was getting.

Dosing of DHEA remains the same at 50mg x2 ed... might even lower it in anticipation of the 1-T to make sure I can have more unused enzymes built up and ready to convert the hell outta that 1-T :think:


Day 14 was shoulders, I used to dread shoulders cause I couldnt move much weight at all and it seemed more tedious then fun.... well thats changing considerably and Im looking forward to hitting them now every week, getting stronger and stronger and def noticing a change in the development of my delts.

Strength was actually REALLY good for these lifts but since I got in there late I only had a chance to hit one tri lift (not so bad since I hit them twice a week anyways) and couldnt do the typical Delt Superset I like to do of cable raises(btw these create a MAJOR pump and by the last set my delts are just burning), will have to make sure to leave myself more time for this day since I kinda load up on lifts for shoulders and tris now.

heres how the lifts went.

LIFTS:
This week
Last week
PR

Warm up
DB lateral raise(l/r)- 20/20x10, 20/20x10

HS iso shoulder press(l/r)-70/70x10, 90/90x10, 110/110x9
______________________90/90x10, 90/90x8(Wide), 90/90x7 (narrow)
Smith shoulder press- 135x10, 115x10, 115x12
___________________ 95x10, 115x10, 135x10
Arnold DB Press(l/r)- 60/30x10, 40/40x10, 50/50x8
_________________ 25/25x10, 30/30x10, 40/40x10
Vbar cable press down-95x10, 125x10, 150x10*
___________________ 50x10, 75x10, 125x10
Standing military press- 45x10, 65x10, 85x10 this week only

*had to pin a 25lb plate to the stack :twisted:

Again workout was cut short or I woulda had 2 or 3 more tri exercises and a delt superset but this workout was still plenty good and strong and as you can see full of PR's so I was still very pleased with the results.

Cant wait to see what kinda numbers I burn through once the 1-T is added in the mix!

Pre, intra and post workout supplementation remains the same with the pslin, poseidon, BA, creatine, taurine and L-Leucine with the exception of some added BCAA's (5g) intra as well.... def dont taste too good though so I cant wait till this damn Xtend arrives.... last time I purchase from an Ebay store.

Also looking at getting some of the new BC+EAA from LG as it sounds great and has a mixture of both BCAA's and EAA's, the more the better .

am about to type up last nights review now as well for day 15....

[Calfmaster]

Intense cycle bro.

Question regarding the last cycle where your gyno got better from epistane... at which dose/part during the cycle did you start to notice the decrease?

[poopypants]

11/18/08, 11/19/08

Well last nights workout was pretty dandy too.

The pumps Im getting when I work my arms are getting pretty rediculous, almost impeding me from making a complete contraction when Im curling. Strength is also getting better and better. Im feeling MUCH more stable in exercises all around, using higher weights and am able to control them easily with my recruiting/supporting muscles to make very nice concentrated reps. This helps me to be able to focus the lifts on the targeted muscle MUCH better.


Lifts:
This week
Last week
Same
PR


Pull Ups- 12, 7
________10, 8
Iso HS front lat pulldown-70x30*, 90x10(simultaneous), 70x20*
_____________________ 90x10(simultaneous), 70x20*, 70x10(simultaneous)
Lat Pull down- 130x10, 100x10(behind head), 110x10
____________ 130x10, 100x10(behind head), 120x10 (wiiiide)
Seated row- 130x10, 100x15, 100x10
___________100x10, 120x10, 90x12
Hammer Curl- 40/40x20(l/r alternating), 35/35x20(l/r alternating)
___________ 35/35x20(l/r alternating), 40/40x20(l/r alternating)
Reg DB curl- 30/30x15(L/r alternating, 7/8)(this week only
Reverse grip EZ bar curl- 45x10, 55x10, 60x10(this week only)
BB curl- 65x10(last week only)
Dual lower cable curl(L/R)- 25/25x15, 35/35x10, 45/45x10
__________________ 25/25x12
Over head Cable curl(L/R)- 45/45x10, 55/55x10
_______________________35/35x20, 45/45x12
Seated Low row machine- 100x10, 120x10, 110x10
_______________________80x10, 100x10, 120x10
DB hammer curl- 25x20 (l/r alternating)(this week only)
DB curl- 25x14

*alternating left right never full extension to keep constant pressure

Was a great workout altogether. Def felt stronger, numbers increased, volume increased, altogether a pleasing workout. Had almost immediate DOMS though and today can still feel the effects as I got my son ready this morning and he felt like 100lbs to just pick up and set him on my lap (well hes a 1/3rd the way there at 35lbs and the kids not even one and a half yet).




11/19/08, day 16, will be a rest day.... although this morning since Im not occupied with my normal community service schedule decided to do some bw plyo in a fasted state to get my day started and burn a lil fat....

took 224mg pslin, 1Xforce, 2Epi, 50mg DHEA and 3.7mg albuterol

Waited 15 min then hit a lil circuit of push ups sit ups and against the wall squats (just put on a slick jacket so I could slide) it went:

50pu, 40su, 20sq, 35pu, 20su, 20sq, 30pu, 15su, 18sq


with very lil rest and was light headed as all hell after that and had to take a breather on the balcony as I though I was gonna pass out.... havnt done direct ab work in who knows how long, probably over a year and even then it was seldom done so Im prob gonna be in pain tomorrow for all those situps.


Tomorrow is chest and again my weekly weigh in so we will see whats going on there... hopefully the scale is tipped higher, if not I will need to reevaluate my diet and get it higher and ready for the 1-T, I want to hit 210 but at least a very solid 205 so I may have to tinker a bit if I continue to see no changes.

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

I'm going to run this bad boy at double dose i think.

ya change of plans.... I will be double dosing as well

Once in the morn and once an hour preworkout (usually 6-9pm).....

in fact Ill just start right now:twisted:




So heres the stack for now.... STILL waiting on the danged Xtend... Makes me mad.





Will give initial feelings and review in a lil bit as Im bout to dose and go to workout soon.

[poopypants]

11/20/08

Ok tonights chest workout was GREAT. Not huge on number increases... in fact I think I went down in some lifts since I didnt have my notebook with me I didnt remember exactly what I lifted last week so I just went with what felt good.... thats all that really matters anyway and I had a good "feel" workout and still comparable to previous lifts.... only thing that got me down about tonight was the weigh in.... still 200.5lbs. ALTHOUGH Im looking leaner by the day so I feel that there is a major trade off/recomp going on here and I just need to bump the cals some more to accommodate my new weight.

Heres the...


Lifts:
This week
Last week


Flat DB press- 60x10, 70x10, 80x10
___________ 60x10, 75x10, 90x6
Incline DB Press- 50x10, 60x10, 70x10
______________ 45x10, 55x10, 65x8
Incline smith press(reg bench not smith this week)- 135x10, 185x9.5, 155x12
_________________________________________ 135x10, 185x10, 185x10
Cable fly(l/r)- 55/55x10, 75/75x10, 50/50x15, 50/50x15
____________55/55x10, 65/65x10, 60/60x12
Cable press- 75/75x10, 95/95x10, 50/50x15
___________50/50x10, 65/65x10, 85/85x12, 70/70x15
Dips- BWx12, BW+25lbs x10
_____BWx10, BWx12(wide), x10(last week only)
Rev Grip DB press- 30/30x15 (had to go home as son started gettin fussy with daycare)
________________35/35x10, 40/40x10, 50/50x9


Pretty sick lifts... had a good workout even though its not much different from last week all reps were very concentrated and still felt stronger then last week doing them. As you can see switched smith for reg bench on incline but got a 9.5 @ 185.... in other words got to the 10th rep and had to use the safety rest as I couldnt get it up all the way, one prob about not havin a partner/spotter. Also couldnt work up to weight with reverse grip DB's as I had brought my son with me to give the (ex)wife an hour alone and he started to get fussy right after the first set, He was mighty pissed looking when I finally got to the door, like why didnt you get here faster, LOL, he was ready to go.

So cant wait to see what the addition of 1-T will bring once it gets into the swing of things and as stated will be upping the cals, most likely fats first and pro as well, to meet the new demand my new muscle is requiring and enough above new maintenance level to keep gains comin on nicely but cleanly.

[poopypants]

So the 1-T has made its arrival and in style!!!! Im gonna break it down into some topics...

Bottle/Packaging and Pump system: 10/10

First thing I noticed and made me just say WOW was the bottles, much bigger then the graphics look on the site, for some reason those pics make it seem small as there is nothing to put it to scale... but these bottles are damn pretty large!

Also the style and innovative pump system on this is something else!!! I didnt notice at first BUT you can see in my pics what Im about to describe as I had pumped it before those pics to see how it did until one squirt came out.... BUT when I did my first 4 squirts and application tonight I REALLY noticed how these new bottles work and how they absolutely SCHOOL any other bottle/pump system Ive EVER seen!!!!!

The bottle must be AIR TIGHT or something, dunno how it does it BUT you can see the bottom of one bottle, the one with white at the tip is HIGHER then the other! Its just like a stick of deodorant or chapstick and as the pump squirts out the liquid it raises the bottom up flawlessly squeezing every bit of the dermal lotion upwards not allow any air to build up inside and making sure that theres no precious residue left behind that Ive seen with past dermal products that could easily be one or two extra applications!!! THIS is just SICK!!! VERY innovative, VERY stylish and VERY smart. Im impressed to say the least.

Ok tonights chest workout was GREAT. Not huge on number increases... in fact I think I went down since I didnt have my notebook with me I didnt remember exactly what I lifted last week so I just went with what felt good.... thats all that really matters anyway.


Actual Dermal Solution/Lotion:10/10

This solution is more like a normal lotion. Very creamy, no strong odor like with Napalm or Penetrate. Not all oily like Penetrate leaving the skin super slick and shiny. Not prone to gel up and leave lil balls everywhere like Napalm and Lipoderm. It just rubbed right in very easily once evenly dispersed across torso, pecs, shoulders and traps leaving no trace, no lingering smell, almost as if it wasnt there... almost... leading me to the last initial response....


Initial Effects and Physical Reaction:9/10

This did EXACTLY what I hoped it would do.... within a minute of application the skin seems to tighten, the veins bulge and show a lil bit and my muscles get a nice lil semi pump... something I had experienced with the first group of 1-AD and 4-AD TD, as well as E-form and Bulk Trione in Penetrate. I LOVE this about transdermals, very cool lil effect. The ONLY reason this one gets a 9 though is cause with E-Form and Trione I also get a sensation of energy and rush of androgens, slightly raised heart rate AND mild euphoria that actually gets stronger as dosing progresses.... Dont know if thats just the nature of the compound though and if I will ever get similar effects with this combo BUT the reason why this one gets a 9, but is still pretty damn good on a scale of 10.


Now on to the growin!!!!

[poopypants]

Here is some more info on the 1-T product!




The first compound is 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one [aka, 1-androsterone or 1-DHEA].

This steroid molecule is very closely related to the original 1-androstenediol and 1-testosterone that were very popular prior to the 2004 pro-hormone ban. (1) They produced solid gains in lean muscle within a short period of time, with low side-effects. They where know as “dry” steroid hormones, because they didn’t convert to estrogen or promote water retention and bloat. (1)

Unfortunately, those days are long gone. Well, not quite…

Take a look at the hormone conversions below. You will see 1-androsterone is only one step away from 1-androstenediol and two steps away from 1-testosterone. (2)








Truthfully, some estrogen is desirable for maximum muscle growth, so we chose a hormone that could fill this void and make 1-T an exceptionally well rounded pro-steroid formula.



In comes 5-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one. [aka, DHEA]

As you may know, DHEA is the main active ingredient in our other topical product Dermacrine – which has proven benefits for improving body composition and strength. As with 1-androsterone, the DHEA is more effective as a topical because it is forced to interact with the steroidogenic enzymes and convert to more powerful anabolic and androgenic hormones that can build muscle and burn fat. (4-12)


Just take a look at the conversions









Characteristics of Primordial Perfomances 1-T product:

Fast drying creamy lotion, possessing fresh citrus scent.

Active Ingredients:

9ml for an average dose

1-Androsterone - 12.5 mg/ml
DHEA - 10.5 mg/ml
Pregnenolone - 2 mg/ml


Other Ingredients:

Distilled water, grape spirits*, aloe vera*, ethoxy diglycol, dimethyl isosorbide, butylene glycol, jojoba oil, emu oil, squalene, tocopherol acetate, chamomile extract* (matricaria recutita), isopropyl myristate, green tea extract* (camellia sinensis), cetyl palmitate, sorbitan palmitate, sorbitan olivate, glyceryl stearate, PEG 100 stearate, glycerin, dimethicone, strontium nitrate, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, d-Limonene, tetrahydropiperine†, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, sodium PCA, sodium hydroxide.

* Certified Organic

[poopypants]

alright fellas have at it!!! thanks to those who refrained from posting till now!!! Lets get it ON!

[joeflex73]

Sup poops?

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by joeflex73

Sup poops?

what up joe

you on some other boards? sorry Im a bit rusty with the names over here and havnt visited some others for a lil while... were you on AX?

[poopypants]

so what happened to the avatars over here??

[joeflex73]

Originally Posted by poopypants

what up joe

you on some other boards? sorry Im a bit rusty with the names over here and havnt visited some others for a lil while... were you on AX?

Yup.

Originally Posted by poopypants

so what happened to the avatars over here??

Think they're having some problems with BodySpace and that's what's causing the avatar's to be down.

[Calfmaster]

Intense cycle bro.

Question regarding the last cycle where your gyno got better from epistane... at which dose/part during the cycle did you start to notice the decrease?

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by russianstar

Great thoughts, im licking my lips now in anticipation of my next parcel, cant wait to see how it effects you, hope we can all prove bill roberts wrong....

Great progress both of you, if your leaning out and getting bigger, then everything is spot on, well done!!!

btw I saw your post on that and made this response in your thread BUT wanted to make sure others only following here can see it as well...

here it goes.



you posted and I replied the following

Originally Posted by russianstar @am.com

This morning i ordered 1-t by primordial performance, and thenh i read this quote from bill roberts... now i dont know what to think..sometimes real life experience makes even experts look foolish. Im glad poopey and trauma are running a log on this stuff.

Quote

I suppose it depends on what one means by "readily."

Not one but two enzymatic conversions are required. If only 1 occurs, you're not going to get 1-testosterone from this compound.

Both conversions are reversible so it's not the case that there's a tendency for everything to go in the desired direction. While the equilibrium won't be exactly at the halfway point for each one, nor will the reactions go all the way to equilibrium, let's assume for simplicity that the 50/50 point is reached for each conversion.

In this case, only 1/4 of what compound goes through the skin will wind up converted to the claimed compound to which it "readily converts."

By the way, 4-androsterone was tried by others as an oral supplement on the theory that it would undergo the same 2 conversions and be a useful precursor to testosterone.

It was not only in practice so useless that it was a complete failure in practice, but it was so useless that though known to exist, the government didn't bother to schedule it while scheduling all other prohormones.

It is also a known fact that DHEA has the same substituents at the 3 and 17 positions at this compound, and transdermal delivery does not result in much metabolism at those positions for DHEA. So I would not assume it for this compound either.




ME: Somone said as it readily converts you should get good gains, and that was his reply, anyway i will be adding it to stage 3.

Funny thing is sellers AND competitors will always shine a light on a subject/compound that best suits their motives.

Thus it IS good a few others and I are running this first to show how effective it is, or isnt...

BUT let me add a few 3rd party observations and facts regarding these compounds as well.



First off look at the overwhelming positive feedback regarding Dermacrine, which is basically one half of this supplement AND shares the exact same enzymes for conversion, so essentially it seems that for most everyone thats used it the conversions are more favorable then Bill Roberts makes it out to look.

Second, a more scientific take, look at the FIRST conversion compounds that this converts to, 1-AD and 4-AD, both diol and dione, one being slightly more able to convert to the target then the other(diol stronger then dione). As he mentioned they have the ability to convert back and forth this is only regarding the SECOND conversion (he doesnt even specify this). Look at this chart.




you can see the arrows show that they convert to the 1-AD (diol and dione) and THEN convert back and forth (VERY SLOWLY BTW) between the target hormone 1-test and the 1-AD variants. BR makes this sound oh so bad BUT this is where he decides to omit some information.....

IT DOESNT MATTER! 1-AD is active ALL ON ITS OWN. So is 4-AD, almost as STRONG as TEST!!!!!

check this here....

Bodybuilding.com Forums - View Single Post - 1-Test to 4AD Ratio

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Chemo

First, your homebrew concentration with the stated amounts will result in 125 mg/mL! You will DEFINITELY have solubility problems...as you approach 75 mg/mL the tendency to precipitate is increased.

The effective dose for 4-AD has an extremely wide range for a couple of reasons. Some will only want 4-AD supplementation for maintenance of libido and a lower amount will suffice (even lower than the 175). Others will desire true mass building potential from 4-AD and will opt for the higher doseage (above 175).

Now comes the "iffy" part. There is speculation that 4-AD is active in it's UNCONVERTED FORM. The estimates range from 40% to 80% as compared to testosterone. Keep this in mind...the "GETTING" cell is the 15% that gets converted. If the unconverted form is indeed active this number may be doubled or even quadrupled! For instance:


With 5 g 1-test, 10 g 4-AD, in 240 mL, 4 mL applied twice daily --> The value of the "GETTING" cell of 4-AD is 70. If the lower estimate of 40% activity is closer to true this 70 effectively becomes 186. If 80% is closer to true then the 70 becomes 374! The level of uncertainty is wide and this is reflected in the effective dose range. IMO, <40% is more realistic...this is from 1st hand experience with both.

If this is your first cycle with PH's, 5-g 1-test with 10 g 4-AD in 240 mL applying 4 mL twice per day should give good gains.

Chemo

This is an OLD post, there have been reports Ive read since then (although I cant find the link right now) stating its even HIGHER then the bolded section there, Ive seen quoted that its 98% as strong as test without ever converting to test.

Taking this into mind, BR saying with limited conversion to its target hormone it will make it very ineffective cause of TWO conversions is just not factual. The compound only has to make ONE conversion from 1-DHEA and DHEA to 1-AD and 4-AD respectively to even make a super active steroidal combo, and the back and forth conversions to Test and 1-Test arent so detrimental at all when this is taken into account and when you realize they are only slightly stronger in the end anyhow!



As a side note make sure to supplement with PLENTY of Zinc (and magnesium) while taking these compounds as they are crucial for helping create the enzymatic conversions between these compounds and would make them all the more effective. A dose of at least 30mg daily is rec.

[Primordial Perf]

Wow, very good follow up on that BR post... that was basically my reply to it, but with less effort put in.

-Pp

[Kernkraft]

following here as well poops!!! do work!!!

[poopypants]

Saweet!!! Thanks for stoppin by over here too fellas!

You guys over here at BB.com also want to let you know I will very soon have Cycle assist Compliments of Kernkraft and CEL and will be adding it into this cycle!!!

I think even though this compound is VERY mild on the liver and body in general as far as sides are concerned, Epi as well, a healthy and optimally functioning liver Steady BP and body in general is one that is primed to make gains. So thank you very much again Kern and CEL for sponsoring my log in this manner. A top notch Rep and company for sure.


PS this is another reason why I decided to add Poseidon. Its a great electrolyte and semi multi vitamin that should help keep back pumps at bay and cellular hydration in general at optimum levels.... plus it gets me my daily rec amount of Zinc and magnesium!!!

[AMillane7]

Nice Log!

[llllern]

Originally Posted by poopypants

Alright fellas, Havnt EVER logged anything over here in all my years of being a member, havnt posted much either as in reality my home is at AM.com, BUT with a stack of this magnitude and logging a New product across the boards I figured it was time to build some green over here and offer you guys my detailed and unbiased review of this new precursor 1-Test transdermal from Primordial Performance stacked with my personal favorite Epistane.

I dont wanna hear complaints about the usage of this with Epistane though, just take it FWIW and keep in mind Ive run Epistane standalone already (log found here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...tml#post811500) as well as a previous 6 week super stack with Dbol. SO I should be able to distinguish the difference and unique effects that 1-T will bring to the equation.


Technically this cycle is already in progress, has been for 2.5 weeks BUT JUST was able to add 1-T today as it just arrived. Up until this point I have used transdermal DHEA to mimic a Dermacrine effect somewhat alongside a 40mg Epistane dose. Just bumped the dose to 50mg Epistane this sunday and added the 1-T today.

NOW.... I have been logging up this point as well... just only on AM.com... the link for that log is here: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...ants-team.html

But if you guys will allow me please dont post for a moment, I will go ahead and reserve some more positions/posts in this thread and then edit in ALL the updates for you fellas so you dont have to weed through my 15 pages of banter to get the meat of the cycle thus far.

With that being said and introduction complete, time to get to copying and most importantly the initial review of 1-T and then onward...


Please dont post momentarily, I will update when its ok to start the barrage. thanks guys.

vert nice bro just got my 1T in last night
I love Primordial performace 1-T !

[poopypants]

dude you linked dermacrine, not 1-T, lol... NEWB


J/k LLLLERN thanks for stoppin b homie! you plannin on runnin a log? are you runnin 1-T alone or stacked with something else?