100% Natural Casein vs other protein

[Bizzman1]

What is the difference between
100% Natural Casein (opti nutrition)(new)
and 100% Casein

I know its slow digesting protein and whey is instant but I dont know the difference between the two caseins. Also how does just strait soy protein fit into the equation too.

[Hammer of Thor]

Natural is just that , Natural, no added artificial ingredients or Calcium Caseinate. Just pure Micellar.


100% Casein ingredients- Protein Blend (Micellar Casein, Calcium Caseinate), Cocoa(Processed With Alkali), Natural And Artificial Flavors, Salt, Gum Blend (Cellulose Gum, Xanthan Gum, Carrageenan), Sucralose

Natural Ingredients- Micellar Casein, Natural Cocoa Powder, Honey Powder, Evaporated Cane Juice, Salt, Cellulose Gum, Lecithin.

[willldabeast]

i know the natural whey uses stevia, might be in casein too

[Hammer of Thor]

nope no Stevia (100% Casein), I'm looking at the label right now

[alaska21]

nope no Stevia (100% Casein), I'm looking at the label right now

2 Lbs. Chocolate Creme
Supplement Facts
Serving Size1Heaping Scoop(36g)
Servings Per Container24
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 130
Calories From Fat 10
Total Fat 1g 2%*
Saturated Fat 0.5g 3%*
Cholesterol 10mg 3%*
Total Carbohydrate 7g 2%*
Dietary Fiber 1g 4%*
Sugars 2g ?
Protein 24g 48%*
Calcium 600mg 60%*
Sodium 210mg 9%*
Stevia Extract (Stevia Rebaudiana)(Leaf)(Standardized To 60% Rebaudioside A) 80mg ?
Aminogen? 24mg ?





See it has stevia

[Hammer of Thor]

Those are the ingredients for "Natural" arent they? My 100% Casein (not Natural) has no Stevia listed.

[LactoseTolerant]

It looks like the difference is that sucralose is replaced with stevia.

[Sixpack]

This is correct and there are no othe artificial ingredients added

It looks like the difference is that sucralose is replaced with stevia.

[CHM]

how do the mixability and taste compare between the natural and regular?

[toningup19]

Natural is just that , Natural, no added artificial ingredients or Calcium Caseinate. Just pure Micellar.


100% Casein ingredients- Protein Blend (Micellar Casein, Calcium Caseinate), Cocoa(Processed With Alkali), Natural And Artificial Flavors, Salt, Gum Blend (Cellulose Gum, Xanthan Gum, Carrageenan), Sucralose

Natural Ingredients- Micellar Casein, Natural Cocoa Powder, Honey Powder, Evaporated Cane Juice, Salt, Cellulose Gum, Lecithin.

oh WOW so it has no calcium casenate its pure micellar? thats a much better product than the regular one is.

[joshweights]

oh WOW so it has no calcium casenate its pure micellar? thats a much better product than the regular one is.

why is that?

[Neopragmatist]

why is that?

Miceller casein is regarded as lesser denatured form of casein.

[joshweights]

Miceller casein is regarded as lesser denatured form of casein.

hmm maybe ill try the natural kind next time. they both cost the same..

[Clarko]

Miceller casein is regarded as lesser denatured form of casein.

The texture probably leaves more to be desired, but it looks like a solid product.

[IBlastMyQuads]

I know the natural whey tastes terrible, probably same for this

[BigPapiJR]

Miceller casein is regarded as lesser denatured form of casein.

this is wrong

[BigPapiJR]

This is correct and there are no othe artificial ingredients added

so the natural 100% casein product is 100% micellar casein?

[thauncle]

getting ready to place an order trying to pick between CytoSport Muscle Milk, 2.47 Lbs, Strawberry Banana and Optimum 100% Whey Protein, 2 Lbs., Strawberry Banana.trying to pick in terms of which one has the slowest digestion process so during the night i'm not losing as much so i don't wake up feeling like i need to eat a train filled with food to put back the calories burned during sleep

[toningup19]

buy on CASEIN

[BigPapiJR]

getting ready to place an order trying to pick between CytoSport Muscle Milk, 2.47 Lbs, Strawberry Banana and Optimum 100% Whey Protein, 2 Lbs., Strawberry Banana.trying to pick in terms of which one has the slowest digestion process so during the night i'm not losing as much so i don't wake up feeling like i need to eat a train filled with food to put back the calories burned during sleep

muscle milk is the slower digesting of the two you mentioned.

[thauncle]

muscle milk is the slower digesting of the two you mentioned.

thanks

[JBerto]

What's better for pre-bed: Micellar Casein or Calcium Caseinate?


Edit: I've found that:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne42.htm
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=691425
http://**************.com/store/arti...articles_id=17

So the best is the Micellar Casein. I'll buy ON 100% Natural Casein (is 100% Micellar Casein):
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/naturalcas.html

[Sixpack]

IMO MC but it does not make a big difference

What's better for pre-bed: Micellar Casein or Calcium Caseinate?


Edit: I've found that:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne42.htm
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=691425
http://**************.com/store/arti...articles_id=17

So the best is the Micellar Casein. I'll buy ON 100% Natural Casein (is 100% Micellar Casein):
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/naturalcas.html

[Neopragmatist]

this is wrong

I hope you're having second thoughts. Caseinate is like the ion exchanged whey of the casein world. To quote from the links provided above:

Calcium Caseinate is inferior to micellar Casein because it is denatured during processing.

It [Miceller Casein] has all the same anti-catabolic benefits of calcium caseinate and is not denatured during processing.

*Caseinate (as either calcium caseinate, sodium caseinate or potassium caseinate)
Caseinate contains greater than 90% protein and is the most soluble form of casein--allowing it to mix easily in fluid, making it a top choice by manufacturers of protein powders. It is formed by the reaction of casein with an alkaline substance such as calcium, sodium or potassium. This raises the mineral content of the product. If you're trying to avoid sodium (such as during a shredding phase), read labels carefully and consider avoiding products with high amounts of sodium caseinate. Alternatively, if you want to boost your calcium intake, products that are high in calcium caseinate will give you extra.

* Micellar casein (MC)
MC is made by separating the casein portion of milk from the lactose, fat and whey by microfiltration. This form of casein is not denatured (meaning the protein isn't altered), unlike the other forms, which are often treated with heat or acid. As the name implies, MC can still form micelles upon rehydration with fluid, which makes it much slower digesting than the other casein proteins. The protein drink you take before bed should contain a good deal of MC, to prevent your body from going catabolic during your nighttime fast.

But as Sixpack stated, it really doesn't make much difference.

[BigPapiJR]

I hope you're having second thoughts. Caseinate is like the ion exchanged whey of the casein world. To quote from the links provided above:







But as Sixpack stated, it really doesn't make much difference.

Miceller casein is regarded as lesser denatured form of casein.

I think you meant to say "calcium caseinate is regarded as a lesser form of casein".

[sickonstorm]

oh WOW so it has no calcium casenate its pure micellar? thats a much better product than the regular one is.

just what i was going o say. when i run out of whey , im gonna porder some naturalcasein. how does it compare to choclate 100 percent casein? i loved that. ois stevia bad? i dont even know what it is. i see no reason why anyone would buy regular casein when they can get the natural. i mean why would you pay for calcium caseinates when natural is 100 percent micellar.

[sickonstorm]

I think you meant to say "calcium caseinate is regarded as a lesser form of casein".

he said it right. you compreheded it wrong.

[Neopragmatist]

just what i was going o say. when i run out of whey , im gonna porder some naturalcasein. how does it compare to choclate 100 percent casein? i loved that. ois stevia bad? i dont even know what it is. i see no reason why anyone would buy regular casein when they can get the natural. i mean why would you pay for calcium caseinates when natural is 100 percent micellar.

Stevia (derived from plant) is a natural sweetener and it is safe. It makes more sense to buy Natural Casein version but caseinate is easier to mix and flavor. And you know how important taste is to consumers. I have not tried ON's Natural Casein yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the taste/mixability was inferior to the original. But no way in hell it can't be worse than natural unflavored casein I got from TP.

[sickonstorm]

yeah, i prefer casein to whey, since i am too lazy to take whey after working out lol. i just take whey in my gainer at a random time in the day.once im out of whey im gonna buy the natural casein and use that. i just hope chocolate creme is as good as chocolate supreme was. i cant stand a bad supplement.


but why do people seem to dislike stevia is it bad at alls?

[sickonstorm]

bumps