More than 10g of whey at once is a waste

[Dwizzo]

So, I see lots of articles/studies showing that the human body can only absorb about 6-8 grams of protein in 1 hour. Also, it seems that whey is one of the fastest digesting proteins (typically digested in 30-60 minutes)... So, if you consume 20g of whey protein, your body will absord 6-8 grams of it, and the rest will be excreted as waste...

By this logic, if I want 20g of protein PWO, I should only take 10g max of whey post workout, and then, maybe 1 hour after working out, take another 10g....

The other alternative is to consume slower digesting proteins, such as casein.

Thoughts?

[Alienheat4]

I sure would like to see articles claiming that.

[iForce Dave]

Originally Posted by Dwizzo

So, I see lots of articles/studies showing that the human body can only absorb about 6-8 grams of protein in 1 hour. Also, it seems that whey is one of the fastest digesting proteins (typically digested in 30-60 minutes)... So, if you consume 20g of whey protein, your body will absord 6-8 grams of it, and the rest will be excreted as waste...

By this logic, if I want 20g of protein PWO, I should only take 10g max of whey post workout, and then, maybe 1 hour after working out, take another 10g....

The other alternative is to consume slower digesting proteins, such as casein.

Thoughts?

show me any of these studies.

you are very wrong

and to prove it, why dont you do that whole 10g protein each meal and we will see your progress

[jbodybuilder]

I beg to differ with that study. I normally consume 30-40 at a pop while bulking, like Dave said, if you are only consuming 10g per meal x approx 5 meals, that is only 50g

[cuse88]

I would strongly disagree with this. If you think about 6 grams or so of protein is a very small amount, almost about 1/4 or so of a chicken breast in food terms.

The human body especially after an intense workout is dieing for nutrients to aid in the repair of muscles. After a workout is the most crucial time to consume mass amounts of protein of around 30-45 grams. Then wait an hour or so and eat your meal.

I just do not see the facts about this and would be interested in seeing the articles and studies behind this.

[blinKme431]

More than TEN grams of whey at once is a waste?
LMFAO, this thread made my day.

[blkbelt42]

Originally Posted by cuse88

I would strongly disagree with this. If you think about 6 grams or so of protein is a very small amount, almost about 1/4 or so of a chicken breast in food terms.

The human body especially after an intense workout is dieing for nutrients to aid in the repair of muscles. After a workout is the most crucial time to consume mass amounts of protein of around 30-45 grams. Then wait an hour or so and eat your meal.

I just do not see the facts about this and would be interested in seeing the articles and studies behind this.

thats insane, it's less than half a chicken
breast!


stop reading and EAT!

[njflames72]

I thought it was 30grams

[Just5]

Originally Posted by Dwizzo

So, I see lots of articles/studies showing that the human body can only absorb about 6-8 grams of protein in 1 hour. Also, it seems that whey is one of the fastest digesting proteins (typically digested in 30-60 minutes)... So, if you consume 20g of whey protein, your body will absord 6-8 grams of it, and the rest will be excreted as waste...

By this logic, if I want 20g of protein PWO, I should only take 10g max of whey post workout, and then, maybe 1 hour after working out, take another 10g....

The other alternative is to consume slower digesting proteins, such as casein.

Thoughts?

i believe that he was just stating what he heard/read about and was asking for thoughts about it. he wasnt advocating this view personally but just looking into these claims.

[dvsness]

Lol.

[Adjusting]

Originally Posted by njflames72

I thought it was 30grams

No.

[iForce Dave]

[Hansolo261]

I comsume about 60 to 70 at a time and I seem fine. thats just protein powder. Im sure I have eatin more in real food.

[UNCnate]

Originally Posted by dvsness

Lol.

My sentiments exactly.

[Madevilz]

10g every hour?

So for someone at 200lbs, he'd have to eat every hour, for 20 hours? lol wut?

[cbad7676]

those stats are extremely skewed. there are wayy to many variables impacting how many grams of protein each person can digest. whether or not person is a athlete, average joe, sedentary, timing, type of protein, protein source, physical weight, digestive tract, etc.

[rocketscience21]

Not to rip on the dude or anything, but I'm almost 100% sure your body can utilize more than 10g a meal

[tdog69]

I remember reading an article on this, but it was more like 30 to 35 grams in one hour and all that this means is it takes your body this long to digest whole food proteins and move them on down the digestive track for absorption, so the excess protein still gets processed and it does not go to waste

[Dwizzo]

I am only talking about whey protein... Obviously other types of protein, and whole foods are slower digesting...

Also, I'm just stating what I've read, I am asking for opinions, not preaching

So, according to the articles, you should consume 10g of whey post workout, then eat whole foods, such as steak, chicken, fish, etc... They claim anything more than 10g gets wasted... I will find the articles and link them here...

Originally Posted by Just5

i believe that he was just stating what he heard/read about and was asking for thoughts about it. he wasnt advocating this view personally but just looking into these claims.

Correct

Originally Posted by tdog69

I remember reading an article on this, but it was more like 30 to 35 grams in one hour and all that this means is it takes your body this long to digest whole food proteins and move them on down the digestive track for absorption, so the excess protein still gets processed and it does not go to waste

That sounds more like it to me, but again, not what I've been reading...

I usually consume 20-30g of whey PWO, then eat a meal of another 50-70g of protein... So about 100g protein PWO...

[rhizome]

Add some Aminogen.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=109495481

[xologist]

This has been posted like three times already, and the article doesnt say 6-8g of protein in 1 hour. It actually says the body digests 20g of protein in 1 hour.

anyways.. I still take my 40g+ of protein.. merh

[Dwizzo]

Originally Posted by rhizome

Add some Aminogen.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=109495481

Excellent!! Now we are talking... This is the type of article I am taking about... It states that Whey protein Concentrate absorption may be only 15grams... So if you take a 50g whey shake, you may only absorb 15 grams... This is exactly what I am talking about:

"Some products have a suggested serving size as high as 50g of protein. However, due to possible inhibition of endogenous digestive enzymes from over-processing and rapid small intestine transit time, the average amount of liquid WPC that is absorbed may be only 15g."

http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-5-10.pdf


I want to make sure that all the protein supps I drink are actually being absorbed, and not just pissed out...

[Dwizzo]

I found the 8-10 grams per hour limit article:

The study's authors noted that while whey protein is considered easily digested when compared to some other sources of dietary protein, the maximum absorption rate of whey protein has been reported to be between 8 to 10 grams per hour. Gastrointestinal transit time for viscous liquids, during which nutrient absorption can occur, is reported to be 1.5 hours. Protein powders and shakes frequently contain between 20 and 50 g of protein per serving.

http://www.naturalproductsinsider.co...in-absorp.html

The full article further states that the maximum protein that can be extracted by the body from a liquid is therefore 15grams

[tdog69]

Originally Posted by Dwizzo

I am only talking about whey protein... Obviously other types of protein, and whole foods are slower digesting...

Also, I'm just stating what I've read, I am asking for opinions, not preaching

So, according to the articles, you should consume 10g of whey post workout, then eat whole foods, such as steak, chicken, fish, etc... They claim anything more than 10g gets wasted... I will find the articles and link them here...



Correct



That sounds more like it to me, but again, not what I've been reading...

I usually consume 20-30g of whey PWO, then eat a meal of another 50-70g of protein... So about 100g protein PWO...

Would like to see the article, whey protein is digested much faster than whole food protiens and cyclist will consume around 30 grams per hour while cycling an endurance race to maintain energy and an advantage over the rest.

[Apollo 13]

OP must be talking about stuff like this

Fast and Slow Proteins

How quickly amino acids get transported to blood and how quickly they then get assimilated into muscle and other tissue for repair and rebuilding is the basis of this idea. According to some enthusiasts, fast proteins such as whey are superior to slow proteins like casein. Both are derivatives of milk products. Here are some values (Bilsborough 2006):

* Egg protein 1.3 grams/hour
* Casein isolate - 6.1 grams/hour
* Whey isolate - 8-10 grams/hour

There's not much evidence that these variations make a difference to muscle building over the longer term, although whey has shown some advantage in short-term studies.

Yet the other useful information that can be gleaned from the numbers above is that with an average protein absorption of, say, 7 grams/hour, a theoretical absorption is limited to around 168 grams each day (24x7). If accurate, it makes the 400 gram/day protein diets look entirely unnecessary at best.

http://weighttraining.about.com/od/n...in_howmuch.htm

[Apollo 13]

Originally Posted by Dwizzo

Excellent!! Now we are talking... This is the type of article I am taking about... It states that Whey protein Concentrate absorption may be only 15grams... So if you take a 50g whey shake, you may only absorb 15 grams... This is exactly what I am talking about:

"Some products have a suggested serving size as high as 50g of protein. However, due to possible inhibition of endogenous digestive enzymes from over-processing and rapid small intestine transit time, the average amount of liquid WPC that is absorbed may be only 15g."

http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-5-10.pdf


I want to make sure that all the protein supps I drink are actually being absorbed, and not just pissed out...

Doesn't ON whey and others already have Aminogen? At least I remember reading that on the label.

[BigA08]

Wow that's the dumbest! thing iv ever heard

[dsade]

Originally Posted by cuse88

I would strongly disagree with this. If you think about 6 grams or so of protein is a very small amount, almost about 1/4 or so of a chicken breast in food terms.

.

Whah?

You need to quit eating Ethiopian chickens.

[tdog69]

where is the hidden sales pitch for Monster Milk



If I read the article correctly it is saying that it takes 1 hour to digest 10 grams of whey protein. So if you consume a 50 gram whey protein shake, you should be good for a couple of hours depending on how fast your body uses the protein correct.

[madgoat33]

I'm just going to live off of pure whey, I'll never be able to gain any fat if I lift then!!!!!/sarcasm