Man has been on keto for 40 years

[Merril_H_Kalin]

Hello, I have been lurking these forums for almost two years. I dont post anything unless I have something useful.

I don't know why this hasnt been mentiond before.

Owsley Stanley has been eating only meat and no vegitables or carbs since the sixties. You can read more about him on Wikipedia and also there is a thread he started on another forum that is really long but has lots of good information. I hope you guys really enjoy this.

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013

[Merril_H_Kalin]

I would like to correct myself, He has been on the diet for 49 years! This must be the longest living example of this diet!! How exciting. He is now in his 70's and he says he has not aged much. This stuff is very intresting!

[startrek]

Owsley Stanley has been eating only meat and no vegitables or carbs since the sixties.

Um...Owsley Stanley? San Francisco's leading LSD chemist in the sixties? A subject of Tom Wolfe's book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and the Steely Dan song Kid Charlemagne? Who is now 73 years old?

Yeah, I'm real sure he's posting in online low-carb forums. If you can prove it, I'll eat my sock. (I will post video to prove that.)

In fact, I think you're Jaws08 posting under a new name so you don't get ridiculed again. Welcome back.

[Veeno]

Um...Owsley Stanley? San Francisco's leading LSD chemist in the sixties? A subject of Tom Wolfe's book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and the Steely Dan song Kid Charlemagne? Who is now 73 years old?

Yeah, I'm real sure he's posting in online low-carb forums. If you can prove it, I'll eat my sock. (I will post video to prove that.)

In fact, I think you're Jaws08 posting under a new name so you don't get ridiculed again. Welcome back.

LOL...I actually busted out laughing.

[Merril_H_Kalin]

Yes that is the guy. I dont know why it would be some troll claming to be him, he is not THAT famous to not post on the site, plus its quite a remarkable diet to share. I really can't give you any evidnce it is him but maybe somewhere else maybe one of the grateful dead members talk about his diet?

I dont really like that you accuse me of being Jaws08.

[Wtf?]

You suck @ trolling.

[Merril_H_Kalin]

I dont know why I am acused of being a troll or someone who I not am but I would like to stop. Why is this happening in my post and my first time posting here? Its kind of B.S. Do I need to prove myself somehow or what?

[startrek]

Yes that is the guy.

Well, I will say this...apparently it's quite true that Owsley Stanley claims to have had a low-carb diet since 1959, and that he credits it with many health benefits. I meant what I said about the sock, so look for something that constitutes proof. I will accept compelling circumstantial evidence, as judged by me.

[startrek]

I dont know why I am acused of being a troll or someone who I not am but I would like to stop. Why is this happening in my post and my first time posting here? Its kind of B.S. Do I need to prove myself somehow or what?

Nah, relax. We're just so traumatized by this fellow Jaws08 that we're a bit on edge. If you're not really him, then you are welcome here.

[Merril_H_Kalin]

it seems the only proof i could give of someone being someone on a fourm is to use the evidence that he himself gives. "Bear" on the fourm has lots of factual statments about owsley stanley. And the person links a site that is suposidly Owsley's. I just dont understand why someone would go to the lenghts to pose as Owsley Stanley and talk about low carb diets. Just seems rediculous for a person or sociopath to do so.

[pointz54]

startrek i don't know what you're talking about.
fiber is the devil and taurine is key.

[startrek]

startrek i don't know what you're talking about.
fiber is the devil and taurine is key.

Thanks for the reminder.

[jkl12345]

Um...Owsley Stanley? San Francisco's leading LSD chemist in the sixties? A subject of Tom Wolfe's book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and the Steely Dan song Kid Charlemagne? Who is now 73 years old?

Yeah, I'm real sure he's posting in online low-carb forums. If you can prove it, I'll eat my sock. (I will post video to prove that.)

In fact, I think you're Jaws08 posting under a new name so you don't get ridiculed again. Welcome back.

personally i cant stand when people start to accuse others of "trolling" and get into petty internet disputes. it is such a turn off. if this guy has something interesting to share i want to hear it. stop being an internet bully. just my 2 cents.

[startrek]

I didn't call him a troll. I just suggested that he's not who he claims to be. But as you can see above, we're the best of friends now, so it's all good.
Cyberhugs all around.

Read around the forum. You'll see that I'm no bully; I go out of my way to be helpful to everyone with reasonable questions and legitimate concerns. I do get impatient with people who put forth unsubstantiated claims and ask very basic questions before doing any research of their own, however, and I don't apologize for that.

[Merril_H_Kalin]

Thanks man.

[startrek]

You're welcome, buddy.

[titebuoy]

from http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013

Hello all,

I have been eating the natural human dietary regime for over 47 years now. I do not eat anything whatsoever from vegetable sources. The only things veggie I use are spices. My diet is usually 60% fat and 40% protein by calories. I used to eat 80/20 when younger and about twice as much quantity of meat also, but that seems too much energy at my age, which is 71- even though I am very active. I think the body actually becomes more efficient with energy as you age, but I have no way of proving it true. Otherwise, my body today is very like it was at the age of 30. I figure most of what we call 'aging' is due to insulin damage to the collagen and other body structures. No carbs = no insulin. I don't heal quite as fast when injured as I did as a youngster, however. But I have few wrinkles, and my skin is still strong and elastic.

At this point I would like to point out that a zero carb diet does NOT cause ketosis. The body rapidly adapts within a few weeks and begins consuming the ketones from fat metabolism. A fully keto-adapted body excretes no ketones in the urine. A metabolic by product, 'ketone bodies' are actually a special kind of carb, and they substitute for glucose at the structures which use it. They have the added advantage of making you feel good- and well fed.

The body cannot store dietary fat, there is no mechanism for transport across the adipose cell's wall, nor can it 'burn' carbs, which actually are toxic in more than the tiny amount required by the brain and a few other structures. The body converts dietary carbs (all convert to glucose as they are absorbed) into body fat. The conversion mechanism requires insulin which is very tissue-damaging. It is correct to say that dietary carbs are the base cause of both heart blockage and diabetes, (not a disease).

I must warn all of you that it is very unlikely that very many will be able to eat as I do over the long term, or in fact, to follow any diet for long which is much different from the one you were trained to as a baby/child. This is because diet is learned much the same way language, dress and behaviour is, and is buried deep and inaccessible, a part of your acculturation/socialisation. The very thing which makes us human is that deep and almost instinctive complex of behaviour.

It requires a powerful will and a determination to change, in order to succeed in adopting the 'extreme' diet which this website is based on. Even those who are morbidly obese, as powerful a motivation as any I can imagine will have 'cravings' for what I call 'non-food' (all vegetation and carbs) which will eventually prove irresistible. A few may manage to stay on the diet for years, but unless you are prepared to stick with it for maybe ten or more years, you will drift back into eating what I consider poison. For some reason my mum was not interested in forcing me to eat the veggies I hated so, and i was able to eat only what I liked- mostly meat, especially hamburger and the fat those at our table would cut from their steaks. Still I had massive struggles abandoning the 'civilised diet'.

I suggest that no non-food be taken home, none allowed in your fridge or pantry (out of sight is hopefully out of mind). Make a request when seated in a restaurant that the bread bin be removed (but please leave the butter), and when ordering, request that the vegetables be removed from the plate in the kitchen (just say you don't like to see 'good food go to waste').

Even during the years I was soundman for Grateful Dead, I stuck to my guns and remained totally carnivorous. I am restricted by the forums rules (as I read them) from telling about my essay on diet and exercise which is posted on my website. Basically it states that humans were totally hunting peoples until the end of the paleolithic age. No paleolithic archeological dig has ever produced any food residues from vegetables. Chemical analysis of bones from the digs indicates they are the same composition as the African lion- thus, virtually no intake of vegetation. There were no 'hunter-gatherer' societies until the neolithic, even though some modern HG tribes still made and used typical paleolithic napped-stone tools. The so called Nearthin and Paleodiet thus are both nonsense, true paleolithic people were total carnivores and ate no veggies whatsoever.

In the relatively short evolutionary period since the consumption of vegetables as food there has not been any real adaptation to such low grade low energy, difficult to digest foods. Because we have no adaptation to digesting or processing vegetables as food, they are all basically very bad for us.

We evolved as an active, group-hunting animal. We have a high natural requirement for physical exercise and cannot live long or be healthy without a lot of it.

I hope my post is of some help to others. Just persist. I show that it IS possible to overcome your dietary socialisation.

[Merril_H_Kalin]

Thanks for posting that.

[jkl12345]

I didn't call him a troll. I just suggested that he's not who he claims to be. But as you can see above, we're the best of friends now, so it's all good.
Cyberhugs all around.

Read around the forum. You'll see that I'm no bully; I go out of my way to be helpful to everyone with reasonable questions and legitimate concerns. I do get impatient with people who put forth unsubstantiated claims and ask very basic questions before doing any research of their own, however, and I don't apologize for that.

huh?

[startrek]

Would someone comment on my keto diet please?

Meal 1
3 eggs, fried in butter
1 sausage patty

Meal 2
6 oz. chicken breast
2 Tbsp. mayo
2 oz. cheddar cheese

Meal 3
20mcg LSD

Meal 4
8 oz. beef
2 oz. Hollandaise sauce
1 broccoli florette

Meal 5
50mcg THC

I've been feeling a little lightheaded and having some constipation, and I think it's probably the broccoli. Reps for any help.

[Merril_H_Kalin]

Hahaha a meal of LSD and then THC. I think you need to double those amounts and complications will fadddeeee awayyyyyy.

[startrek]

That is precisely the advice I was looking for. Can I substitute oxycodone for the THC if I'm away from home?

[Jaws08]

There have been a few threads about Stanley on this forum. Some of things he says are interesting but his main two points are wrong.

Dietary fat can not be stored as body fat = myth.

He believes he can avoid the negative effects of insulin and aging by avoiding carbs. He doesn't realise that while carbs cause the most insulin, all calories will produce some insulin release. He therefore thinks he can safely force feed calories as long as the are not from carbohydrates.

[startrek]

I challenge anyone to eat enough fat in one sitting to raise their blood sugar by more than 5%.

[RU4A69]

Um...Owsley Stanley? San Francisco's leading LSD chemist in the sixties? A subject of Tom Wolfe's book The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and the Steely Dan song Kid Charlemagne? Who is now 73 years old?

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Yes, that is exactly who it is. I've communicated with him via E-mail in the past.

[lukewbrubaker]

I challenge anyone to eat enough fat in one sitting to raise their blood sugar by more than 5%.

I may try that tomorrow night...I bought a 40 oz T-bone that I am going to try to tackle in one sitting...so if Im not posting here in a couple of days you should know where I am.

[phabphour20]

Yes, that is exactly who it is. I've communicated with him via E-mail in the past.

x2. It is him. He has told me some good stories about his time with the Dead over email.

I would think someone who has proven he has an "open mind" would be more likely to try a non-traditional diet. His science is off at times, but he has done it, and it has worked fairly well for him. The life expectancy for someone who consumed the raw quantity of drugs that he has would probably be pretty short on average. He is still going strong.

-PP

[Merril_H_Kalin]

That is really cool that you guys have talked with him. Yes I agree that his science is off at time but he is a 1st hand source with close to 50 years of experiance so he definetly has some very interesting things to say. Like always people should do their own research from things that are said. Knowledge is power. Speaking of the Grateful Dead and diets Jerry Garcia did not take good care of himself and ended up diabetic and dying at the age of 53 while looking like he could be in his 70's or 80's.

[Veeno]

I may try that tomorrow night...I bought a 40 oz T-bone that I am going to try to tackle in one sitting...so if Im not posting here in a couple of days you should know where I am.

Dead or having your stomach stapled back up? Make sure you get some fiber to move that LOL

[startrek]

Yes, that is exactly who it is. I've communicated with him via E-mail in the past.

I'm thinking about which seasonings to have on my cooked sock.