Obongo will REQUIRE community service

[Klippymitch]

Good. Kids can learn how to be professional and have a sense of pride and learn how to take responsibility for things early.

Forcing someone to do something doesnt teach a thing. It may however inhibit the learning of the teachings.

[SpacemanSpliff]

If McCain proposed this program everyone would say that it was a great idea.

no, no they would not. They would be lambasting it as an inane and bizarre concept that resulted from a 72 year old man's decreased brain functions. The same as if McCain would have proposed a 1,000,000 strong "civilian's army", as Obama has.

The only person that would get a pass on these policies is Obama.

[PJmikk04]

Even if the volunteering would be for tuition, where is all the money coming from?

[JohnLx]

Even if the volunteering would be for tuition, where is all the money coming from?

taxpayers?


it'll probably even out since they don't have to pay workers to do the job

[madmardigan]

Even if the volunteering would be for tuition, where is all the money coming from?

We spend $10 bil a month on the Iraq War.

[Weekling]

HOW COULD YOU WANT THIS.

People volunteer and do community service because they want to. Someone that is forced to do it helps nothing and teaches nothing.

I cant believe people are too busy sucking his wang to realize that this is a communist idea. Get out of his mind control and think for yourself. It is not patriotic.

He could come out one day and say that he's doing away with democracy because of a b and c and people will be like "wow.....hope and change".

F*ck all of you communist cowards. We have showed Russia and now we will show you. People already work for low pay and now you want to work for nothing?

Let's just resurrect Stalin and call it a day

[JohnLx]

HOW COULD YOU WANT THIS.

People volunteer and do community service because they want to. Someone that is forced to do it helps nothing and teaches nothing.

I cant believe people are too busy sucking his wang to realize that this is a communist idea. Get out of his mind control and think for yourself. It is not patriotic.

He could come out one day and say that he's doing away with democracy because of a b and c and people will be like "wow.....hope and change".

F*ck all of you communist cowards. We have showed Russia and now we will show you. People already work for low pay and now you want to work for nothing?

Let's just resurrect Stalin and call it a day

What would happen if nobody enlisted into the military? What happens when not enough people volunteer to help their community?

I personally think this will motivate people to get involved and want to help without being asked or forced to in the future.

[PJmikk04]

We spend $10 bil a month on the Iraq War.

than if obama is gonna withdraw us from Iraq why don;t you just use that money instead of raising Income, Capital gain, and estate taxes.

[DustinX]

I wonder if they will try doing something similar to back in the day , when roosevelt made the new deal and created a bunch of civil jobs and what not to get the country out of the depression. This is obviously not paid but maybe in the future they would consider

[madmardigan]

than if obama is gonna withdraw us from Iraq why don;t you just use that money instead of raising Income, Capital gain, and estate taxes.

Because we're 10 trillion dollars in debt and because i don't give a f*ck if rich people can only afford one Bentley instead of two or that their children might have to settle for the Bentley instead of the Maybach.

[Weekling]

Because we're 10 trillion dollars in debt and because i don't give a f*ck if rich people can only afford one Bentley instead of two or that their children might have to settle for the Bentley instead of the Maybach.

Typical Obama voter

[PJmikk04]

Because we're 10 trillion dollars in debt and because i don't give a f*ck if rich people can only afford one Bentley instead of two or that their children might have to settle for the Bentley instead of the Maybach.

They probably worked there ass off to get that Bentley.


The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson

[Duckenheimer]

Because we're 10 trillion dollars in debt and because i don't give a f*ck if rich people can only afford one Bentley instead of two or that their children might have to settle for the Bentley instead of the Maybach.

What about small businesses all over the country trying to keep afloat? Raising taxes in such a manner will reduce revenue.

[Gadsden]

Because we're 10 trillion dollars in debt and because i don't give a f*ck if rich people can only afford one Bentley instead of two or that their children might have to settle for the Bentley instead of the Maybach.

but won't it hurt poor people who make the bentleys and maybachs when their sales go down? Sounds like some people will be out of work

[PJmikk04]

What ever happened to people working hard to earn a living, pay for school. I can tell there is no work ethic anymore.

[Weekling]

Exactly. The idea that people can get something for nothing in this country will drive us to communism

[madmardigan]

What about small businesses all over the country trying to keep afloat? Raising taxes in such a manner will reduce revenue.

Then they shouldn't be worrying about Bentleys or Maybachs if they're barely afloat.

Anyway, and I could be wrong on this, I thought the taxes were being raised on income taxes, not business taxes.

They probably worked there ass off to get that Bentley.

Well then they'll have to work a little bit harder if they want two of them.


More to the point, there's a serious economic problem when 90% of the wealth concentrates in 10% of the population.

[PJmikk04]

its all about what people make of their opportunities in their lifetime and just being in America is enough of an oppurtunity. redistribution of wealth is just for lazy ass people not seeking "change", but voting for someone to make "change" for them.

[hooked4life]

g-damn can you all not read? HS and below is one thing. College you get $4,000 for 100 hours. Nobody is forcing you to do that. WTF is the problem?

[Weekling]

I dont believe in forced labor for anyone, HS or not. I believe that HS's that do it now are un-American

[JohnLx]

g-damn can you all not read? HS and below is one thing. College you get $4,000 for 100 hours. Nobody is forcing you to do that. WTF is the problem?

the lazy people get all defensive and mob like as soon as they saw the word LABOR

[Weekling]

Then they shouldn't be worrying about Bentleys or Maybachs if they're barely afloat.

Anyway, and I could be wrong on this, I thought the taxes were being raised on income taxes, not business taxes.



Well then they'll have to work a little bit harder if they want two of them.


More to the point, there's a serious economic problem when 90% of the wealth concentrates in 10% of the population.

What book did you read that all people that make 250,000 or more have bentley's? My dad owns a small business and makes about that much and he wouldnt dream of getting a car like that right now.

And yes, they are raising taxes for capital gains and dividends

[PJmikk04]

Then they shouldn't be worrying about Bentleys or Maybachs if they're barely afloat.

Anyway, and I could be wrong on this, I thought the taxes were being raised on income taxes, not business taxes.



Well then they'll have to work a little bit harder if they want two of them.


More to the point, there's a serious economic problem when 90% of the wealth concentrates in 10% of the population.

There raising business' taxes too, which makes no sense in fixing the job losses and the economy.

[madmardigan]

but won't it hurt poor people who make the bentleys and maybachs when their sales go down? Sounds like some people will be out of work

Yes it will. Those poor Chinese workers making 10 cents a day. Americans don't make cars anymore. We don't make anything anymore. That's one of the reasons we're so f'ed right now.

We've been laid-off, outsourced and had our wages diminished for the past 30 - 50 years or so. 90% of the US has been getting poorer, while 10% have been getting wealthier. With all that wealth, you'd think we'd have all these jobs wouldn't you? But the reality is the rich getting richer doesn't trickle down to the rest of us. They simply keep it for themselves.

And that worked for a while. Until recently. When 90% of the people can no longer afford your products anymore, then the rich begin to suffer and the system needs to readjust. Taxing the wealthy an additional 3% to build roads, trains, alternative power sources creates jobs. Jobs that can't be shipped oversees or outsourced. Jobs that give people money to pay for their beloved iPods and the like that feed our system.

A large, strong, stable middle class is vital to a humming, lasting economic system. As it is now, the middle class has been shrinking astronomically and is incredibly unstable. When people who can afford to buy iPods today are worried they won't have a job tomorrow, then they don't buy the iPod. The manufacturers bottom line suffers, people are laid off, wages drop and the cycle continues until economic collapse.

The very economic collapse we are in the initial stages of right now. And I say initial, because it's going to get worse.

[Gadsden]

Yes it will. Those poor Chinese workers making 10 cents a day. Americans don't make cars anymore. We don't make anything anymore. That's one of the reasons we're so f'ed right now.

We've been laid-off, outsourced and had our wages diminished for the past 30 - 50 years or so. 90% of the US has been getting poorer, while 10% have been getting wealthier. With all that wealth, you'd think we'd have all these jobs wouldn't you? But the reality is the rich getting richer doesn't trickle down to the rest of us. They simply keep it for themselves.

And that worked for a while. Until recently. When 90% of the people can no longer afford your products anymore, then the rich begin to suffer and the system needs to readjust. Taxing the wealthy an additional 3% to build roads, trains, alternative power sources creates jobs. Jobs that can't be shipped oversees or outsourced. Jobs that give people money to pay for their beloved iPods and the like that feed our system.

A large, strong, stable middle class is vital to a humming, lasting economic system. As it is now, the middle class has been shrinking astronomically and is incredibly unstable. When people who can afford to buy iPods today are worried they won't have a job tomorrow, then they don't buy the iPod. The manufacturers bottom line suffers, people are laid off, wages drop and the cycle continues until economic collapse.

The very economic collapse we are in the initial stages of right now. And I say initial, because it's going to get worse.

Outsourcing of jobs is the market becoming more efficient. To take protectionist logic to the extreme, why not only buy goods manufactured in one state, city, neighborhood or family? Because other people do it better.

As for the 10% holding 90% of the wealth, I'm not sure where that's from:


"
The top quintile contains 24.6 percent of the population, but the bottom quintile contains only 14.3 percent."

speaking as someone who doesn't make much money, I don't want the rich taxed and more than they have to be, and I wish their taxes would get cut. They create the jobs and invest. The concept of "poverty" in America is also skewed. No one is violating my rights by driving a Porsche or Lambo

[JohnLx]

Yes it will. Those poor Chinese workers making 10 cents a day. Americans don't make cars anymore. We don't make anything anymore. That's one of the reasons we're so f'ed right now.

We've been laid-off, outsourced and had our wages diminished for the past 30 - 50 years or so. 90% of the US has been getting poorer, while 10% have been getting wealthier. With all that wealth, you'd think we'd have all these jobs wouldn't you? But the reality is the rich getting richer doesn't trickle down to the rest of us. They simply keep it for themselves.

And that worked for a while. Until recently. When 90% of the people can no longer afford your products anymore, then the rich begin to suffer and the system needs to readjust. Taxing the wealthy an additional 3% to build roads, trains, alternative power sources creates jobs. Jobs that can't be shipped oversees or outsourced. Jobs that give people money to pay for their beloved iPods and the like that feed our system.

A large, strong, stable middle class is vital to a humming, lasting economic system. As it is now, the middle class has been shrinking astronomically and is incredibly unstable. When people who can afford to buy iPods today are worried they won't have a job tomorrow, then they don't buy the iPod. The manufacturers bottom line suffers, people are laid off, wages drop and the cycle continues until economic collapse.

The very economic collapse we are in the initial stages of right now. And I say initial, because it's going to get worse.

Exactly why it's important the U.S. becomes apart of or lead in alternative fuels for vehicles.

Those vehicles will be built in the U.S.

The Japanese auto industry already have water powered vehicles and powerful yet compact batteries coming out in 2011.

[madmardigan]

What book did you read that all people that make 250,000 or more have bentley's? My dad owns a small business and makes about that much and he wouldnt dream of getting a car like that right now.

And yes, they are raising taxes for capital gains and dividends

Sorry about your father, guess he has to settle for a Mercedes then.

I kid, I kid.

But in all serious, if your father received a tax cut tomorrow, would he hire more people and raise the wages of his employees? Or would he just keep it for himself?

Capital gains? Dividends? Have you not been watching the news?

[lalala-elf]

As a Canadian I find it interesting the rampant distrust many Americans have with government. Government is not always a bad thing in my mind.

I personally think this plan of Obama's is a great one... though I definitely understand the reason why many people wouldn't like the thought of forcing volunteer work. However, volunteer work really is one of those things that turns out to be much more rewarding than it appears to be.... and many people, myself included, would benefit from some sort of push. I definitely support the community service for tuition approach, and as others have said - making it mandatory in high school is no different to making certain credits mandatory. Schooling is a mandatory indoctrination into a country's society to instill both education and values - so this wouldn't be entirely new. I was required to do 40 hr of community service in high school myself, and while it seemed like a burden at first, I ended up finding it very rewarding.

[hooked4life]

Outsourcing of jobs is the market becoming more efficient. To take protectionist logic to the extreme, why not only buy goods manufactured in one state, city, neighborhood or family? Because other people do it better.

As for the 10% holding 90% of the wealth, I'm not sure where that's from:


"
The top quintile contains 24.6 percent of the population, but the bottom quintile contains only 14.3 percent."

speaking as someone who doesn't make much money, I don't want the rich taxed and more than they have to be, and I wish their taxes would get cut. They create the jobs and invest. The concept of "poverty" in America is also skewed. No one is violating my rights by driving a Porsche or Lambo

He said wealth not income. obviously you have never been rich.

[Gadsden]

He said wealth not income. obviously you have never been rich.

good reading skills