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11-06-2008, 08:52 PM #211
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11-06-2008, 08:56 PM #212
no, no they would not. They would be lambasting it as an inane and bizarre concept that resulted from a 72 year old man's decreased brain functions. The same as if McCain would have proposed a 1,000,000 strong "civilian's army", as Obama has.
The only person that would get a pass on these policies is Obama.
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11-06-2008, 08:56 PM #213
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11-06-2008, 08:58 PM #214
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11-06-2008, 09:00 PM #215
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11-06-2008, 09:02 PM #216
HOW COULD YOU WANT THIS.
People volunteer and do community service because they want to. Someone that is forced to do it helps nothing and teaches nothing.
I cant believe people are too busy sucking his wang to realize that this is a communist idea. Get out of his mind control and think for yourself. It is not patriotic.
He could come out one day and say that he's doing away with democracy because of a b and c and people will be like "wow.....hope and change".
F*ck all of you communist cowards. We have showed Russia and now we will show you. People already work for low pay and now you want to work for nothing?
Let's just resurrect Stalin and call it a day
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11-06-2008, 09:04 PM #217
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11-06-2008, 09:09 PM #219
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11-06-2008, 09:10 PM #220
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11-06-2008, 09:13 PM #221
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11-06-2008, 09:15 PM #222
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11-06-2008, 09:17 PM #223
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11-06-2008, 09:18 PM #224
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11-06-2008, 09:19 PM #225
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11-06-2008, 09:35 PM #226
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11-06-2008, 09:35 PM #227
Then they shouldn't be worrying about Bentleys or Maybachs if they're barely afloat.
Anyway, and I could be wrong on this, I thought the taxes were being raised on income taxes, not business taxes.
They probably worked there ass off to get that Bentley.
More to the point, there's a serious economic problem when 90% of the wealth concentrates in 10% of the population.
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11-06-2008, 09:38 PM #228
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11-06-2008, 09:38 PM #229
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11-06-2008, 09:40 PM #230
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11-06-2008, 09:41 PM #231
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11-06-2008, 09:41 PM #232
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11-06-2008, 09:45 PM #233
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11-06-2008, 09:48 PM #234
Yes it will. Those poor Chinese workers making 10 cents a day. Americans don't make cars anymore. We don't make anything anymore. That's one of the reasons we're so f'ed right now.
We've been laid-off, outsourced and had our wages diminished for the past 30 - 50 years or so. 90% of the US has been getting poorer, while 10% have been getting wealthier. With all that wealth, you'd think we'd have all these jobs wouldn't you? But the reality is the rich getting richer doesn't trickle down to the rest of us. They simply keep it for themselves.
And that worked for a while. Until recently. When 90% of the people can no longer afford your products anymore, then the rich begin to suffer and the system needs to readjust. Taxing the wealthy an additional 3% to build roads, trains, alternative power sources creates jobs. Jobs that can't be shipped oversees or outsourced. Jobs that give people money to pay for their beloved iPods and the like that feed our system.
A large, strong, stable middle class is vital to a humming, lasting economic system. As it is now, the middle class has been shrinking astronomically and is incredibly unstable. When people who can afford to buy iPods today are worried they won't have a job tomorrow, then they don't buy the iPod. The manufacturers bottom line suffers, people are laid off, wages drop and the cycle continues until economic collapse.
The very economic collapse we are in the initial stages of right now. And I say initial, because it's going to get worse.
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11-06-2008, 09:55 PM #235
Outsourcing of jobs is the market becoming more efficient. To take protectionist logic to the extreme, why not only buy goods manufactured in one state, city, neighborhood or family? Because other people do it better.
As for the 10% holding 90% of the wealth, I'm not sure where that's from:
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The top quintile contains 24.6 percent of the population, but the bottom quintile contains only 14.3 percent."
speaking as someone who doesn't make much money, I don't want the rich taxed and more than they have to be, and I wish their taxes would get cut. They create the jobs and invest. The concept of "poverty" in America is also skewed. No one is violating my rights by driving a Porsche or LamboLast edited by Gadsden; 11-06-2008 at 09:58 PM.
"I accidentally a whole bottle of hemlock" ~ Socrates
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11-06-2008, 09:55 PM #236
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11-06-2008, 09:55 PM #237
Sorry about your father, guess he has to settle for a Mercedes then.
I kid, I kid.
But in all serious, if your father received a tax cut tomorrow, would he hire more people and raise the wages of his employees? Or would he just keep it for himself?
Capital gains? Dividends? Have you not been watching the news?
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11-06-2008, 10:00 PM #238
As a Canadian I find it interesting the rampant distrust many Americans have with government. Government is not always a bad thing in my mind.
I personally think this plan of Obama's is a great one... though I definitely understand the reason why many people wouldn't like the thought of forcing volunteer work. However, volunteer work really is one of those things that turns out to be much more rewarding than it appears to be.... and many people, myself included, would benefit from some sort of push. I definitely support the community service for tuition approach, and as others have said - making it mandatory in high school is no different to making certain credits mandatory. Schooling is a mandatory indoctrination into a country's society to instill both education and values - so this wouldn't be entirely new. I was required to do 40 hr of community service in high school myself, and while it seemed like a burden at first, I ended up finding it very rewarding.
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11-06-2008, 10:01 PM #239
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