Obongo will REQUIRE community service

[catmando]

imagine how many hours a year I spend on this ****ing forum.....

LOL good point. But think of Israel and its universal compulsory military service, so 50 hours of community service doesn't sound so bad now does it?

[blastdoors]

I'm sorry, are there people in this thread actually agreeing with the idea of government required forced volunteerism? Really? In the USA, land of the free? Really?

[ElMariachi]

That is not the point at all.

Could you imagine the bitching and moaning by these folks who think that this is a good idea if BUSH had been the one to propose. Oh my goodness, the outrage would never end.

[Organichu]

my point was that there's this notion that profit seeking and money making is less virtuous than doing something for free. If that's the case, why should we encourage that?

obviously it's not the view I hold.

Why should we encourage what? Making money over service? This is a synergy of the two, it seems.

I understand that it's not a view you hold, but people are completely hyperbolic in their descriptions. Calling it slavery, making it sound like work camp, drawing allusions to Nazi Germany, et cetera. It's work study, which we already have. It's just a more comprehensive program. It's taking tax money (and we already pay taxes, this is no new, Nazi ideal), and it's using that to fund social 'work for tuition' programs (and we already have work study, this is no new, Nazi ideal).

So while you're completely entitled to disagreeing with it, others are being quite absurd in their descriptions.

[Bluerain]

I donate time to Meals On Wheels for the elderly . I help prepare and deliver the meals to homebound elderly and don't need the Goverment to force me to do anything.

I donate more time then what BO wants but it's MY CHOICE .

[ElMariachi]

I'm sorry, are there people in this thread actually agreeing with the idea of government required forced volunteerism? Really? In the USA, land of the free? Really?

Even the the guy from Canada gets it...........damn, this country is going down the crapper quick.

[grapemaster]

I'm not an obama fan but even 100 hours a year works out to about 2 hours a week of 15 minutes a day. Quit whining. People are too selfish today. People only care about themselves.

Actually people let people trample over their individual rights too much. Why should I subjugate my child or myself to some bureaucratic group mentality...
If it is *required* I think this is a HORRIBLE policy, this is coming from somebody who just got back on a summer long volunteer trip to Africa helping schools over there...I did this as MY OWN CHOICE.
I truly fear for the country if they are like some posters in this threads views that will willingly bow down to government mandates like that.

[nutsy54]

It's sad when America doesn't want to give 2 days of their entire year to improve their communities.

It's sad that some people see no problem with the Government forcing people to do so. . .

There are many things that would be "nice" for people to do - But absolutely no justification that the Federal Government should mandate those actions.

[saloman]

To be totally honest the idea of people in the community being provided incentive to help one another is a good one - it helps us all experience other economic realities by putting us outside our comfort zones (a great practice!), and it results in the community being helped. Besides, we are paying for those tax credits for school and that public education. Do you want that wealth to be transferred to your kids with no strings attached?

I don't fully understand the program so I'm reserving judgment until more clarity is provided. On the surface of it I don't think it deserves all the whining I'm seeing here. Helping ones community does us all good.

[SilverSpork]

That is not the point at all. Like I said.

"Bitching about forced labour, the nature and direction of which is mandated by government, is nothing to be shameful of. Why would many of us who put our money and time where our mouth is, and not only work, but volunteer and provide to charity be ashamed of this political position? "

The concerns expressed here have NOTHING to do with selfishness.

His supports are so ****ing blinded by his wit and oration skills.

Read this carefully so it sinks in people: Forcing people to volunteer kind of defeats the purpose of having good will.

I am begining to laugh because I remember people comparing Bush to Hitler, but if anything, Obama is much closer to matching up with Hitler.

[Gadsden]

Why should we encourage what? Making money over service? This is a synergy of the two, it seems.

orgy, I don't think I likened it to slavery or the nazis. It's obviously not. That doesn't make it good of course

[GoldBlue]

His supports are so ****ing blinded by his wit and oration skills.

Read this carefully so it sinks in people: Forcing people to volunteer kind of defeats the purpose of having good will.

I am begining to laugh because I remember people comparing Bush to Hitler, but if anything, Obama is much closer to matching up with Hitler.

[Duckenheimer]

I'm sorry, are there people in this thread actually agreeing with the idea of government required forced volunteerism? Really? In the USA, land of the free? Really?

It's a little frightening that nowadays liberalism actually represents in a big part the OPPOSITE of individual freedom.

Classic Liberalism has burnt to the ground.

[Organichu]

orgy, I don't think I likened it to slavery or the nazis. It's obviously not. That doesn't make it good of course

You didn't- I said you didn't. I said others are doing that. Reread the thread, a few people have drawn the parallels.

[danny987]

America, land of the free and Forced labor

[SimplyTheBest]

what is so bad about spending a little time making the country you live in a better place to live? some of you people just amaze me...it's all 'me,me,me,me' with you americans. That is precisely the reason why USA will not be on the map in a decade or so.

[Resonator]

Something wrong with bringing the country together?

50 hours a year? Imagine how many hours per year these kids play games and do nothing.

So, you think they have too much free time, so the government should take away that time and make them do something? Are you kidding me? Who are you to say what people do during their free time is "nothing"? Forced volunteering isn't volunteering, it's forced unpaid labor.

[Duckenheimer]

what is so bad about spending a little time making the country you live in a better place to live? some of you people just amaze me...it's all 'me,me,me,me' with you americans. That is precisely the reason why USA will not be on the map in a decade or so.

Nobody in the thread is saying that is bad. If you read our arguments, you'll understand.

The position has NOTHING to do with selfishness.

[jack90]

Why should we encourage what? Making money over service? This is a synergy of the two, it seems.

I understand that it's not a view you hold, but people are completely hyperbolic in their descriptions. Calling it slavery, making it sound like work camp, drawing allusions to Nazi Germany, et cetera. It's work study, which we already have. It's just a more comprehensive program. It's taking tax money (and we already pay taxes, this is no new, Nazi ideal), and it's using that to fund social 'work for tuition' programs (and we already have work study, this is no new, Nazi ideal).

So while you're completely entitled to disagreeing with it, others are being quite absurd in their descriptions.

except you dont have tuition in public highschool and middle school. So at that point, it is just forced labor.

It would be a very good program IF it gave students who FREELY chose to do community service money for thier college tuition.

[grapemaster]

To be totally honest the idea of people in the community being provided incentive to help one another is a good one - it helps us all experience other economic realities by putting us outside our comfort zones (a great practice!), and it results in the community being helped. Besides, we are paying for those tax credits for school and that public education. Do you want that wealth to be transferred to your kids with no strings attached?

I don't fully understand the program so I'm reserving judgment until more clarity is provided. On the surface of it I don't think it deserves all the whining I'm seeing here. Helping ones community does us all good.

Yes of course I do, for the ones who study hard, by their own free will, not subjugated by group mentality...It results in more government control over your life and time and personal freedoms.

[Gadsden]

You didn't- I said you didn't. I said others are doing that. Reread the thread, a few people have drawn the parallels.

I know that...I thought you'd know that I knew

[Morbid_Mind]

Simply amazing responses here.

It will interesting to watch when the blind Obama supporters and apologists finally start taking unbiased looks at his proposals, policies, and legislation.

"Forced Labor mandated by the Government is OK!" (As long as President Obama is the one sending us to work)

Notice these are all the same people who constantly rail against Bush because of the Patriot Act.

[Fanatik]

I left Russia to get away from those ****ing commies and to achieve something in this country. Now this mother****er comes along and does **** like this... WTF?

[SimplyTheBest]

Nobody in the thread is saying that is bad. If you read our arguments, you'll understand.

The position has NOTHING to do with selfishness.

look at everyone complain about spending about a week out of their whole year to help less fortunate people out and to clean up the country. And **** that socialism crap, speak to a real socialist and ask him if Obama is actually a socialist.

[ElMariachi]

what is so bad about spending a little time making the country you live in a better place to live? some of you people just amaze me...it's all 'me,me,me,me' with you americans. That is precisely the reason why USA will not be on the map in a decade or so.

THE FREEDOM TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR OWN TIME. Seriously, are you that $^&&&%^ daft? One of the greatest things about this country is that we can decide these things for ourselves. If you want to volunteer, you can, if not, more power to you. The vast amount of people in this country who do volunteer, who do share their time and financial support is tremendous.

[Organichu]

except you dont have tuition in public highschool and middle school. So at that point, it is just forced labor.

Every school I went to- in Israel, in Germany, in America- had some form of 'non academic' service. Clean up the neighborhood once a year, teach younger kids to read (even for kids who didn't want to major in education), food drives, etc.

Literally every one.

It's considered part of the 'educational experience'. Whether that's right or wrong, whether you think that should or shouldn't be a part of becoming a learned and 'educated' American, it's certainly nothing "new and sinister".

[ElMariachi]

I left Russia to get away from those ****ing commies and to achieve something in this country. Now this mother****er comes along and does **** like this... WTF?

Yep, me and my family left Poland for the same reason and this same s%^t is starting up here.

[grapemaster]

look at everyone complain about spending about a week out of their whole year to help less fortunate people out and to clean up the country. And **** that socialism crap, speak to a real socialist and ask him if Obama is actually a socialist.

You are still not understanding, I suggest you look up the definition of "requirement" and get back to us dave man.

[Organichu]

I know that...I thought you'd know that I knew

Well I thought you'd know that I think you'd know that I thought that the Pope's hat is boss and you know that I think you know this.

[Morbid_Mind]

I left Russia to get away from those ****ing commies and to achieve something in this country. Now this mother****er comes along and does **** like this... WTF?

Why do you hate Hope and Change for America?