so im on the 20 rep squat program.. got a question for the ppl that have done it

[Mata Leao]

im doing the program in SUPER SQUATS by Randall Strossen..... and im ****ING PIST OFF.. why the **** why.. is there any reason for having squats last??? can i change them to doing them at first or there is a reason why they r last..

the truth is that by when i do squats im beated up and have a bit of energy left.. ****ing dips drain me up fast heres my program right here


seated behind the neck press 3x10
dips 3x12
bent over row 2x15
barbell curl 2x10
squat 1x20
rader chest pull(pullovers) 1x20
deadlift 1x15
rader chest pull 1x20

doing it 2x a week and weight goes up 2x a week also...

been on it for 3 weeks, im just doing this for 8 weeks and then going back to a powerlifting style routine,rippetoe again.

[Kiknskreem]

Although I have no experience with this program, I do not see why you could not change the order without negative consequence.

[PotKettleBlack]

Are you eating enough?

[Mata Leao]

Are you eating enough?

yes why?
pretty sure.. i eat every 3 hours

[PotKettleBlack]

yes why?
pretty sure.. i eat every 3 hours

Because you feeling tired and beat up might be down to your nutrition and recovery. What do you mean you're ''pretty sure''? Just because you eat every three hours doesn't mean you're taking in enough calories. What's your average intake and maintenance level and all sorts?

[Mata Leao]

Because you feeling tired and beat up might be down to your nutrition and recovery. What do you mean you're ''pretty sure''? Just because you eat every three hours doesn't mean you're taking in enough calories. What's your average intake and maintenance level and all sorts?

i dont count calories man... but im pretty sure cause i can change my diet accordingly to my weight.. if i gain im good if i stop gaining gotta eat a bit more...

[PotKettleBlack]

i dont count calories man... but im pretty sure cause i can change my diet accordingly to my weight.. if i gain im good if i stop gaining gotta eat a bit more...

That's lovely and all, but I'm not suggesting you count them to the exact number. I'm just saying get a rough idea of what you're meant to be putting into your body and whatnot, 'cos that is a big part of it that people often overlook.

Are you gaining strength/size or whatever you're after on this programme currently?

[Mata Leao]

That's lovely and all, but I'm not suggesting you count them to the exact number. I'm just saying get a rough idea of what you're meant to be putting into your body and whatnot, 'cos that is a big part of it that people often overlook.

Are you gaining strength/size or whatever you're after on this programme currently?

yes getting bigger and stronger... but seems like by the squats im tired like tired after running a sprint.... i did rippetoes and the low reps for a while but this high rep is tough... i still got energy but is more like my heartrate is way up... i might take a longer break in between.. but i wanna know if i can d the squats and deadlift first since they r the hardest but i odnt wanna miss the point of the program for having them last if theres any

[swolegantor]

Your supposed to squat first in any 20 rep squat program.

I have no idea what gave you the idea that you squat last.

[Mata Leao]

Your supposed to squat first in any 20 rep squat program.

I have no idea what gave you the idea that you squat last.

not to be an ass but **** off man thats how the program is.. i got the book super squats and it has squats and deads last..

sorry man..

but yeah ITS NOT MY IDEA its from the supersquats book by Randall Strossen..

i just wanna know if anyone knows the reason for this... its weird im souse to doing the compound first..

[swolegantor]

ITS NOT MY IDEA

Im not worried about you being able to have any of those.

[PotKettleBlack]

yes getting bigger and stronger... but seems like by the squats im tired like tired after running a sprint.... i did rippetoes and the low reps for a while but this high rep is tough... i still got energy but is more like my heartrate is way up... i might take a longer break in between.. but i wanna know if i can d the squats and deadlift first since they r the hardest but i odnt wanna miss the point of the program for having them last if theres any

To be fair, you could move them, but you just sound like you're whining about being tired... It's called working out for a reason, it's meant to be difficult, if everyone found it really easy and not tiring, we'd all look tons better, lol.

[Mata Leao]

To be fair, you could move them, but you just sound like you're whining about being tired... It's called working out for a reason, it's meant to be difficult, if everyone found it really easy and not tiring, we'd all look tons better, lol.

im not in it for the looks i just need to get stronger but the thing i dont get is why squats and deads are last.. i should be able to be put everything i got into squats and deads.. then do the other lifts.. im used to hard work and love it....

dont worry im not complaining in that sense.. i got one of the hardest routines in my gym... squats,deads,pullups,dips,press is not the easiest thing out ther and i have been doing them for a year straight.. and the 20 rep squat is another of the hardest workouts out there so its obvious that i enjoy working out hard...

movign them around will just make me able to put more into the lifts that deliver the best gains and the less compond do em last.. but i dont know if thats a bad thing.

[PotKettleBlack]

im not in it for the looks i just need to get stronger but the thing i dont get is why squats and deads are last.. i should be able to be put everything i got into squats and deads.. then do the other lifts.. im used to hard work and love it....

dont worry im not complaining in that sense.. i got one of the hardest routines in my gym... squats,deads,pullups,dips,press is not the easiest thing out ther and i have been doing them for a year straight.. and the 20 rep squat is another of the hardest workouts out there so its obvious that i enjoy working out hard...

movign them around will just make me able to put more into the lifts that deliver the best gains and the less compond do em last.. but i dont know if thats a bad thing.

I don't really understand how you've missed my point, but okay. The point I was trying to make is that people generally work out to look better, if it was easy, everyone would do it. You don't need to try to impress me by saying that you're not in it for the looks, and that your routine is ''one of the hardest in your gym''. In my gym, about 12% of the people squat, if that, so it's not that challenging to have the ''hardest routine in the gym''.

The point is, if you're progressing, then leave it as it is, it's doing some good, just see what happens at the end of the programme, and if you think you could gain more, then change it up next time. I'm a big believer in something not needing to be fixed if it ain't broke, that's all.

[Mata Leao]

ok thanks man... i got it.. but calling a guy that squats 3x a week a guy that dosent wanna work hard hurts!

[PotKettleBlack]

ok thanks man... i got it.. but calling a guy that squats 3x a week a guy that dosent wanna work hard hurts!

That's not what I said...

[RedMaster]

If you are questioning the routine than do a different one.

[Mata Leao]

If you are questioning the routine than do a different one.

yeah im gonna keep doing it the way it is for the 8 weeks.. then go back to a powerlifting routine.. once i go back to a 20 rep squat im gonna try a different one...

[Tiny08]

I do my squat 5x5 with 225x20 at the end for burnout. I heard 1x20 is just for size but it does work.

[Hatmanii]

I would do the main compounds first. Not only will you be able to move more weight, but you will be more effecient with your CNS firing on all cylinders at the beginning as opposed to the end.

You will see better results doing the Squats first, and deads second with the rest to follow.

[Rob_Muscle75]

im doing the program in SUPER SQUATS by Randall Strossen..... and im ****ING PIST OFF.. why the **** why.. is there any reason for having squats last??? can i change them to doing them at first or there is a reason why they r last..

the truth is that by when i do squats im beated up and have a bit of energy left.. ****ing dips drain me up fast heres my program right here


seated behind the neck press 3x10
dips 3x12
bent over row 2x15
barbell curl 2x10
squat 1x20
rader chest pull(pullovers) 1x20
deadlift 1x15
rader chest pull 1x20

doing it 2x a week and weight goes up 2x a week also...

been on it for 3 weeks, im just doing this for 8 weeks and then going back to a powerlifting style routine,rippetoe again.

the word is pissed, not pist.

[Mata Leao]

I would do the main compounds first. Not only will you be able to move more weight, but you will be more effecient with your CNS firing on all cylinders at the beginning as opposed to the end.

You will see better results doing the Squats first, and deads second with the rest to follow.

yeah thanks alot for ur input man i dont know why they got em last

[isaku900]

please overreact more often.

its amusing.

[John Hicks]

but yeah ITS NOT MY IDEA its from the supersquats book by Randall Strossen..

Where in the book (on what page) does it tell you to do that?

[PotKettleBlack]

Where in the book (on what page) does it tell you to do that?

Oh no. Here comes John Hicks on his horse... You still haven't responded to my post in that other thread where you came in and said I was wrong, and ironically, were wrong yourself. [Syntax isn't great there, could anyone help me out? Lol, serious.]

[Mata Leao]

Where in the book (on what page) does it tell you to do that?

i dont know my book is at work but its on the program section.... its it lists the program from top to bottom just like i got it on my first post.. i just replaced bench with dips.

[PotKettleBlack]

i dont know my book is at work but its on the program section.... its it lists the program from top to bottom just like i got it on my first post.. i just replaced bench with dips.

Why?

[isaku900]

Why?

because he's doing the program as written duuuuh...oh wait.

[John Hicks]

Oh no. Here comes John Hicks on his horse... You still haven't responded to my post in that other thread where you came in and said I was wrong, and ironically, were wrong yourself. [Syntax isn't great there, could anyone help me out? Lol, serious.]

So where were you wrong? And you knew you were wrong, yet you posted that you were wrong - that makes you DOUBLE wrong (and do not pick on my horsey... he is a nice horsey and I love him!).

[John Hicks]

i dont know my book is at work but its on the program section.... its it lists the program from top to bottom just like i got it on my first post..

When you get back to the book, tell me what page it's on.

I think you're confusing the squats with doing a complete program. You should concentrate on doing the squats themselves and forget about the additional exercises.