insulin question?

[Peter1987]

Hello,

Today i got myself some insulin, it is a fast acting Insulin (4 Hrs ).

I have 1 year to bulk up but still wanna try to keep my bf % low.

The question is condisdering i have never used insulin before would 10 units a

day after training be a good enough amount to gain some decent muscle?
(if so how much do you think i could possibly put on?)

I will be running it for 75 days without using any AAS, do you think half way through this cycle should i run some stanazol?

Thanks!

[Flex500]

Originally Posted by Peter1987

Hello,

Today i got myself some insulin, it is a fast acting Insulin (4 Hrs ).

I have 1 year to bulk up but still wanna try to keep my bf % low.

The question is condisdering i have never used insulin before would 10 units a

day after training be a good enough amount to gain some decent muscle?
(if so how much do you think i could possibly put on?)

I will be running it for 75 days without using any AAS, do you think half way through this cycle should i run some stanazol?

Thanks!

that's a long time to stay on insulin. Just for safety purposes I think it is best to limit it to 4-6 weeks at a time. Although if your only doing it a 3-5 days a week you'd probably be fine.

The first couple times I'd do 5iu's just to see how you feel, then 8, then 10. There is a big difference.

Many people just don't feel right after they take insulin. I for instance after 10 iu's am a little out of it for a while. Even with plenty of carbs, I couldn't work I just don't feel right.

Then again some people never feel any different.

[chubs001]

10ius is too much considering you dont know how you react to such a high dosage. Also, why the hell would you take it a day after training. All that is going to do is signal your body to store fat......Take it after you workout, directly after. I would stick to 5ius, and dont forget to drink some sugar or your dead.

[strength77]

Originally Posted by chubs001

I would stick to 5ius, and dont forget to drink some sugar or your dead.

I crashed one time using slin.

Never touched it again.

[raysmith]

Jeez learn to use steroids properly before touching slin.

[mseidl]

Originally Posted by raysmith

Jeez learn to use steroids properly before touching slin.

x2. slin w/o aas or other peptides wont do much.

you're just risking a lot for very little gains. and considering you'll 'add stanz" you really, really, really need to do a lot of research.

there is no PCT to bring you back to life after you die from slin.

[mseidl]

he posts a lot in the teen section

[Peter1987]

dont worry i have done my research alot on gear, when i said "would 10 units a

day, after training be a good enough amount" I did mean after training.

ok thanks for your feedback i will run it at a lower amount to see how i feel and then slowly up the units.

[mseidl]

Originally Posted by Peter1987

dont worry i have done my research alot on gear, when i said "would 10 units a

day, after training be a good enough amount" I did mean after training.

ok thanks for your feedback i will run it at a lower amount to see how i feel and then slowly up the units.

if you did your research you wouldn't do 75 days of slin. you wouldn't run slin alone, nor would you add stanz alone.

[1bebigger]

Originally Posted by Peter1987

Hello,

Today i got myself some insulin, it is a fast acting Insulin (4 Hrs ).

I have 1 year to bulk up but still wanna try to keep my bf % low.

The question is condisdering i have never used insulin before would 10 units a

day after training be a good enough amount to gain some decent muscle?
(if so how much do you think i could possibly put on?)

I will be running it for 75 days without using any AAS, do you think half way through this cycle should i run some stanazol?

Thanks!

LOL.

Your not ready for slin... with the comment on the winny, doesnt seem like your even ready for aas,

[Troy_Trinity]

why would you want to run slin alone i really dont get whats up with this lately.

slin without gear will probably just turn you into a fatass so have fun

[1bebigger]

Originally Posted by Troy_Trinity

why would you want to run slin alone i really dont get whats up with this lately.

slin without gear will probably just turn you into a fatass so have fun

lmao, reps on recharge

[StudHammer]

Like a few others have suggested, start much lower than where you plan. I always start at 5iu's and go up 1 iu at a time. Have simple carbs handy and a good whey protein as well for post workout.

[Peter1987]

Thanks for your reply StudHammer i dont come on here to get flamed just to find out some information. i was going to use stan halfway through to cut off my fat gains.


Cheers.

[DaBurg3r]

I can't advise you on something like this as I have no applicable knowledge or experience, but be really careful with insulin. It can kill you fast.
I read an article about some Scottish powerlifter using insulin to carb load before a competition, any way he shot too much and went into a hypoglycemic coma, didn't come out of it for like a month. Point is he was lucky to be alive.

[adam247]

I don't understand where all this negativity about insulin comes from (its about context). Yes it's possible to go in a coma I hate to say it you have to be very careless (and if you do not have the deciplin/knowdledge/understanding then you should not being using meds without supervision!
Insulin if used correctly seems to be safer (long term) then steroids.
The endocrine system works in a careful balance so I believe it is far safer on the body to take all the hormones together in the correct ratio than it is to take large amounts of just one.
We all know that gh effects thyroid output and insulin sensitivity for example.
I have been taking a balance amounts of all hormones ( low dose ) for a year now, my blood work is perfect, bp 110/70 I have no spots a full head of hair and lean all year round and feel generally very well.
To answer the OP its very individual you have to start very low , get a blood glucose tester ( use it regular) and practice reading and understanding your body till it become autonomous.

[Troy_Trinity]

Originally Posted by adam247

I don't understand where all this negativity about insulin comes from (its about context). Yes it's possible to go in a coma I hate to say it you have to be very careless (and if you do not have the deciplin/knowdledge/understanding then you should not being using meds without supervision!
Insulin if used correctly seems to be safer (long term) then steroids.
The endocrine system works in a careful balance so I believe it is far safer on the body to take all the hormones together in the correct ratio than it is to take large amounts of just one.
We all know that gh effects thyroid output and insulin sensitivity for example.
I have been taking a balance amounts of all hormones ( low dose ) for a year now, my blood work is perfect, bp 110/70 I have no spots a full head of hair and lean all year round and feel generally very well.
To answer the OP its very individual you have to start very low , get a blood glucose tester ( use it regular) and practice reading and understanding your body till it become autonomous.

no offence but i deffinately disagree with you... If you over exert yourself one day for instance and take your slin and follow your mealplan as usual you can go into a coma pretty fricken fast.

If anyone here has ever shot log before IM (which is really the only insulin and injection kind you should be using for bbing purposes) then you probably know what its like shooting the log and then BAAAM it hits you like a fricken train. You've got a short timeframe to get those carbs into you or else its bye bye for you.

Insulin has it's place in bodybuilding. However I feel this place is when you've maxed out all other compounds, and lately there's been a lot of talk about people using it in their first or second cycle.

And OP no one is really flaming you it's just a really stupid idea to use slin without aas. And winny isn't going to "cut you up"... you need more research bud.

SLIN IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE ****ED WITH PEOPLE!

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by Troy_Trinity

no offence but i deffinately disagree with you... If you over exert yourself one day for instance and take your slin and follow your mealplan as usual you can go into a coma pretty fricken fast.

If anyone here has ever shot log before IM (which is really the only insulin and injection kind you should be using for bbing purposes) then you probably know what its like shooting the log and then BAAAM it hits you like a fricken train. You've got a short timeframe to get those carbs into you or else its bye bye for you.

Insulin has it's place in bodybuilding. However I feel this place is when you've maxed out all other compounds, and lately there's been a lot of talk about people using it in their first or second cycle.

And OP no one is really flaming you it's just a really stupid idea to use slin without aas. And winny isn't going to "cut you up"... you need more research bud.

SLIN IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE ****ED WITH PEOPLE!

If you're feeling hypo then take some sugar, its pretty simple. I've shot 20iu slin, 50mcg IGF-1, 10iu GH (I have done without GH aswell) and I've been fine. I take my pwo carbs immediatly pwo followed by the two drugs.

I've also used slin before training to with no problems (although that is one to be carefull with).

I will say I do feel hypo coming on once the slin has fully peaked, and sometimes the next day I can feel the effects of low blood sugar.

Very good drug if you know how to use it properly and saftly.

[chubs001]

Originally Posted by adam247

Insulin if used correctly seems to be safer (long term) then steroids.

Dude....Im going to assume you don't know. Using insulin long term has the same effect on your pancreas as test does on your balls. It will cause your pancreas to work less and less until it goes dormant. But unlike your balls, there is nothing like HCG that will jump start it right back up.

I use insulin, and I dont think its dangerous, SHORT TERM. And i dont get why the **** anyone would use it w/ out aas.

[adam247]

Originally Posted by chubs001

Dude....Im going to assume you don't know. Using insulin long term has the same effect on your pancreas as test does on your balls. It will cause your pancreas to work less and less until it goes dormant. But unlike your balls, there is nothing like HCG that will jump start it right back up.

I use insulin, and I dont think its dangerous, SHORT TERM. And i dont get why the **** anyone would use it w/ out aas.

Show me the evidence/studies!?
How many athletes have become diabetic due to using insulin for proformancing enhancing?
I have seen more studies that show hgh will lead to diabeties.

[adam247]

Originally Posted by Troy_Trinity

no offence but i deffinately disagree with you... If you over exert yourself one day for instance and take your slin and follow your mealplan as usual you can go into a coma pretty fricken fast.

If anyone here has ever shot log before IM (which is really the only insulin and injection kind you should be using for bbing purposes) then you probably know what its like shooting the log and then BAAAM it hits you like a fricken train. You've got a short timeframe to get those carbs into you or else its bye bye for you.

Insulin has it's place in bodybuilding. However I feel this place is when you've maxed out all other compounds, and lately there's been a lot of talk about people using it in their first or second cycle.

And OP no one is really flaming you it's just a really stupid idea to use slin without aas. And winny isn't going to "cut you up"... you need more research bud.

SLIN IS NOT SOMETHING TO BE ****ED WITH PEOPLE!

I would not considering using insulin (or any proformancing enhancing) unless I had a full understand of my body and a good ability to read it, the danger lies in the very reason your using it to shuttle glycogen into the muscles. How can you feel tired/dizzy let alone go into a coma if you?re sipping on a glucose/amino drink or eating a well balanced meal?There is a lot of excitations out there because people have to panda to those who are ignorant or will miss use.

[Flex500]

Originally Posted by adam247

I would not considering using insulin (or any proformancing enhancing) unless I had a full understand of my body and a good ability to read it, the danger lies in the very reason your using it to shuttle glycogen into the muscles. How can you feel tired/dizzy let alone go into a coma if you?re sipping on a glucose/amino drink or eating a well balanced meal?There is a lot of excitations out there because people have to panda to those who are ignorant or will miss use.

In general I agree, I mean some people post that you NEED to take anywhere from 12-20 grams of carbs per iu of slin. This is just not true.

It is important, as you said to discuss the dangers so people don't misuses. But all and all it is harder then people think to slip into a coma and die from it.

Hell I use 2-3 iu's on no carbs, no food, before cardio then I do cardio and still don't have any carbs.

Most people would be fine even taking in like 5 or 6 grams of cabs per IU.

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE GET FAT FROM INSULIN. Yes you need to have enough carbs in you to stay safe, but you don't 200 freaking grams of carbs every hour for 5-10 iu's of slin. So many poeple over eat so much on slin and it is just not necessary.

[adam247]

Originally Posted by Flex500

In general I agree, I mean some people post that you NEED to take anywhere from 12-20 grams of carbs per iu of slin. This is just not true.

It is important, as you said to discuss the dangers so people don't misuses. But all and all it is harder then people think to slip into a coma and die from it.

Hell I use 2-3 iu's on no carbs, no food, before cardio then I do cardio and still don't have any carbs.

Most people would be fine even taking in like 5 or 6 grams of cabs per IU.

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE GET FAT FROM INSULIN. Yes you need to have enough carbs in you to stay safe, but you don't 200 freaking grams of carbs every hour for 5-10 iu's of slin. So many poeple over eat so much on slin and it is just not necessary.

You are correct although we are all different people over compensate because of the repetition insulin has due to the worry of the less educated.
Insulin dose not make you fat over consumption/unclean eating dose.
People also have the same confusion with fast metabolism , if you have a fast metabolism it is an advantage as all cells in the body work faster( food metabolism, absorption repair) but because people will under eat they think it means your a slow gainer . The reason why guys that get fat fast but also put muscle on fast is insulin sensitivity not slow metabolism, a true genetic advantage would be good insulin sensitivity with a fast metabolism these are the guys that find it easy to grow and stay lean.

[StudHammer]

Originally Posted by Peter1987

Thanks for your reply StudHammer i dont come on here to get flamed just to find out some information. i was going to use stan halfway through to cut off my fat gains.


Cheers.

When I used slin, I did my workout then drove home (I live 5 minutes from my gym) and then did my slin shot, Humalog. 15 minutes later I took in a simple carb source, usually Tang or some other juice where I could easily get 10 grams of carbs per iu of slin. Then 15 minutes later I took in 75grams minimum of whey protein mixed in just water, then another 30 minutes later I started eating real food, mainly lots of protein and good carbs. Have your diet in line BEFORE you start slin. The little protocol I just lined out is what I used for 4 weeks going up 1 iu of slin every few days until I topped out at 16iu's. I gained about 8 pounds in lean mass and got leaner. I was also on AAS at the same time too. I wouldn't even consider slin if you don't plan on running it side-by-side with other gear. You WILL feel the slin eventually, maybe at 5 iu's, maybe at 10, regardless start with less before you go higher, then gradually build to the higher dose.

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by Flex500

In general I agree, I mean some people post that you NEED to take anywhere from 12-20 grams of carbs per iu of slin. This is just not true.

It is important, as you said to discuss the dangers so people don't misuses. But all and all it is harder then people think to slip into a coma and die from it.

Hell I use 2-3 iu's on no carbs, no food, before cardio then I do cardio and still don't have any carbs.

Most people would be fine even taking in like 5 or 6 grams of cabs per IU.

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE GET FAT FROM INSULIN. Yes you need to have enough carbs in you to stay safe, but you don't 200 freaking grams of carbs every hour for 5-10 iu's of slin. So many poeple over eat so much on slin and it is just not necessary.

I took 100g of wms with 20iu of slin and 50mcg of IGF-1, felt fine. Every hour and halfI had 40g of whey and 50g of wms. Probably too much carbs there though.

[DjJAN]

I was taking also my slin shot 5 min after training. but after my slin shot I was taking immediately 100gr oats + 50gr's of whey..After one hour I was eating again,but "real" food this time...But I had sugar with me or catorade all the time to be sure that I wasnt going to fell hyppo..I never fell hyppo but I was on GH and AAS also..I quess u must be more carefull if ur going to use slin without GH..