havoc/trenadrol or sd

[geiger5]

This will be my 3rd cycle. First was havoc, second was pherflex. Looking for a 3rd cycle. Thinking either havoc and tren or sd . Looking for strength and lean gains. Any opinons?

[oxs22]

tren is pretty good for strength but not much for size, where as sd is a combo of both

[geiger5]

tren is pretty good for strength but not much for size, where as sd is a combo of both

i would run havoc and tren for size and strength.

Heard many good things about sd. 2-3 weeks with sd right?

[geiger5]

bump

[coreyk_21]

Im taking Trenadrol stacked with Methyl-E, about 2 weeks in gained 7 pounds and strength has gone through the roof. I've taken SD too, gains were just as good, so whatever you pick your gonna get good gains from it

[jdbman11]

If you know what you're doing and you know the consequences, I'd go with superdrol/m-drol. For strength, it's hard to beat

[KmuL]

I would go with m-drol if it's your third cycle


go 3 weeks

10/20/20-30

and you can get a good deal on the support stack for it here :http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=111580021

although I would recommend a SERM for M-drol...here's an example:

Nolva
20/20/20/20

PCS
0/0/4/4/4/4

Hope this helps

[geiger5]

I would go with m-drol if it's your third cycle


go 3 weeks

10/20/20-30

and you can get a good deal on the support stack for it here :http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=111580021

although I would recommend a SERM for M-drol...here's an example:

Nolva
20/20/20/20

PCS
0/0/4/4/4/4

Hope this helps

yah I already got the nolva on hand. Also will be running cycle support on cycle and pct.

[KmuL]

yah I already got the nolva on hand. Also will be running cycle support on cycle and pct.

cool with the nolva, I would dose

20/20/20/20

Post Cycle Support

0/0/4/4/4/4

[geiger5]

wats a brand favorite for the sd? There are a few different clones out there.

[KmuL]

wats a brand favorite for the sd? There are a few different clones out there.

M-drol is the most popular...

[SplashN96]

wats a brand favorite for the sd? There are a few different clones out there.

I'll sell you my 90ct original Superdrol, vac-sealed in the freezer, it will cost you though

[KmuL]

I'll sell you my 90ct original Superdrol, vac-sealed in the freezer, it will cost you though

I got a chicken parm Lean Cuisine....trade?

[geiger5]

M-drol is the most popular...

by cel right? They not sell them on bb.?

[KmuL]

by cel right? They not sell them on bb.?

they are not,

This one is

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iforce/methadrol.html

[geiger5]

they are not,

This one is

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/iforce/methadrol.html

O yah thats right. Thanks. I heard alot of ppl only running 2 weeks with sd. Will 3 weeks be fine?

[KmuL]

O yah thats right. Thanks. I heard alot of ppl only running 2 weeks with sd. Will 3 weeks be fine?

3 weeks is good at 10/20/20

[KmuL]

oh, and check this out for supports!

THE SUPPORT STACK:
CYCLE SUPPORT & POST CYCLE SUPPORT $59!!!
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=111580021

[EVO-PT]

cool with the nolva, I would dose

20/20/20/20

Post Cycle Support

0/0/4/4/4/4

X 2 for M-drol, Nolva/Post cycle support PCT!

[geiger5]

pct gunna be nolva and cycle support. Nething else I should add ?

[barrett32]

pct gunna be nolva and cycle support. Nething else I should add ?

Taurine, and an ai.

[bryan101b]

If it was me, I would stack the havoc/sd together pre workout and take the tren throughout the day to keep androgen levels high.
ex:

weeks 1-3 havoc/sd-10mg each 45min pre workout
1 cap of tren taken three times during the day.

week 4- sd-20mg havoc-10mg
same for tren. evenly throughout the day.

week 5- havoc/sd 20mg each 45min pre workout
same for tren....
maybe go week 6, same dosage as 5, but dont like to go more than 5 week.

for pct I would have nolvadex, animal stak, 6-oxo, milk thistle.

nolva- 40mg first 2 days, then 20mg next three weeks.
10mg last week.

6-oxo would start taking 300mg along with 1 animal stak pak bfore bed starting week 2 for the next 3 weeks. tapering down the 6-oxo to 150mg last 4 days, then no 6-oxo final 3 days of pct. animal stak packs (21 day supply) full three weeks bfore bed.

milk thistle throughout pct.

and I'd wait 10-12 weeks before next cycle. and dont forget the high intensity training during pct.

but thats just me.

[geiger5]

Taurine, and an ai.

wat a decent AI?

[BrianJJ]

I'd go with SD.

[Laduem88]

If it was me, I would stack the havoc/sd together pre workout and take the tren throughout the day to keep androgen levels high.
ex:

weeks 1-3 havoc/sd-10mg each 45min pre workout
1 cap of tren taken three times during the day.

week 4- sd-20mg havoc-10mg
same for tren. evenly throughout the day.

week 5- havoc/sd 20mg each 45min pre workout
same for tren....
maybe go week 6, same dosage as 5, but dont like to go more than 5 week.

for pct I would have nolvadex, animal stak, 6-oxo, milk thistle.

nolva- 40mg first 2 days, then 20mg next three weeks.
10mg last week.

6-oxo would start taking 300mg along with 1 animal stak pak bfore bed starting week 2 for the next 3 weeks. tapering down the 6-oxo to 150mg last 4 days, then no 6-oxo final 3 days of pct. animal stak packs (21 day supply) full three weeks bfore bed.

milk thistle throughout pct.

and I'd wait 10-12 weeks before next cycle. and dont forget the high intensity training during pct.

but thats just me.

seems like overkill...id say its either trenadrol/havoc or sd

[bryan101b]

maybe, two methylated steroids used at low dosages pre workout with a pro hormone to keep androgen levels high (base) throughout the days would provide maximum gains, and I think the poster said this is his 3rd cycle, so he's experienced enough to use a more powerful stack.

you may think it's overkill, but dont knock it till you try it.

stacking all three would provide maximum gains. the only down side to this, would be making sure 1) you have a solid, strong pct ready, and 2) you know what your doing, pre/intra/post cycle.

read big cats quote ----v

[Laduem88]

maybe, two methylated steroids used at low dosages pre workout with a pro hormone to keep androgen levels high (base) throughout the days would provide maximum gains, and I think the poster said this is his 3rd cycle, so he's experienced enough to use a more powerful stack.

you may think it's overkill, but dont knock it till you try it.

stacking all three would provide maximum gains. the only down side to this, would be making sure 1) you have a solid, strong pct ready, and 2) you know what your doing, pre/intra/post cycle.

read big cats quote ----v

i understand what your saying but if he hasent done sd yet then why stack 2 other things with it? it might be a good stack for a later cycle

[bryan101b]

good point, if he hasn't done sd yet, yea he should wait.

[Psylence]

Alot of people have run SD for 4 weeks, if you are willing to bear the sides and possible risks of damage since it could be 2-3 weeks before you start seeing strength/size benefits

[bigbeaph]

My favorite thing about the Tren prods is that they seem to make my appetite go crazy....even waking up in the middle of the night to eat a majority of the time....I believe some people end up reporting stomach issues with the s-drol clones that may make keeping cals up a little bit tougher....just my 2 pennies