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    Why smith machine squats are bad for you...

    Need a list of reasons. Our weight room manager whom never works legs only squats in the smith machine and goes down 8 inches with 225 lbs. for his squat day. I saw our security guard who is older doing the same thing and I informed him that it is much better to barbbell squat and the manager just called bull**** even though I told him some facts about it. Need some help so I can bring him a list of reasons why from actual powerlifters.
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    smith machine? is that what its called? i always thought it was there for people to hang clothes on
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    I'll just state the obvious, but the bar travels a fixed path not allowing the person using it to use any natural movement which could cause problems for the hips, knees, hip flexors, etc...

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    BB help stability, works more core muscles and tie in muscles. SM really bad on your knees.
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    one reason why smith machine sucks....cuz it makes u look like a puss
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    why do you care what he is doing? You look like a bit of an ******* when you go up to people and tell them what to do. If he is not seriously hurting himself you should let him do what he wants. He can inform himself, if he asks you that is a totally different situation and you should help him out.
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    As others have previously mentioned, the bar is locked into a fixed plane, while you are trying to line up several joints in a straight line (and that never happens). So one of several things occurs:

    1. You wind up leaning forward more, which increases the shearing forced on the back (particualarly at the L4 - L5 vertebral joint)
    2. Knees wind up in front of you which:
    2a: Increases shearing force at the knee joint and
    2b: decreases the involvement of the hamstrings, and one of the functions of the hamstrings is to protect the patella tendon during flexion of the quadricep via co-contraction
    3. Skill development. Squatting is a skilled lift. If you are not practicing the skill, you will not get better at it. (This is a very simplified way of describing things like feedback from the proprioceptors, etc.). Or, to put it another way, I do not suppose many big-league home run hitters still hit the ball off of a freakin' T.
    4. Pattern overload syndrome.
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    While these are all good reasons, you should probably let people who have no clue what's going on in your gym continue to be naive. This will help you in the long run because your squat rack will continue to be open when you need it. As well, people get pissy when you mess with "their" routine. If somebody walked up to you and told you that you were DLing wrong, would you be pretty pissed........I know I would, I'd probably punch them or throw some weights around because somebody had the gull to tell me I was wrong while in my gym. And if he manages the gym, probably not the guy you want to get on your bad side. Let him but a screw up, let his knees go bad, and completely ignore that those people exsist. Besides, if it wasn't for the 90% of retards in the gym, our sports wouldn't have nearly as much money or interest as it does. Somebody has to go to the competitions to watch, not everyone can be a competitor.
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    Originally Posted by someonefat View Post
    why do you care what he is doing? You look like a bit of an ******* when you go up to people and tell them what to do. If he is not seriously hurting himself you should let him do what he wants. He can inform himself, if he asks you that is a totally different situation and you should help him out.
    You're either retarded or just an idiot. He's 50 something years old and he generally asks me for advice. So I told him why not to squat in the smith machine because he is more likely to injure himself and if he performs free squat correctly and then the weight room manager came and started on all that. Reading comprehension bro, look into it.
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    Originally Posted by matthewluke60 View Post
    While these are all good reasons, you should probably let people who have no clue what's going on in your gym continue to be naive. This will help you in the long run because your squat rack will continue to be open when you need it. As well, people get pissy when you mess with "their" routine. If somebody walked up to you and told you that you were DLing wrong, would you be pretty pissed........I know I would, I'd probably punch them or throw some weights around because somebody had the gull to tell me I was wrong while in my gym. And if he manages the gym, probably not the guy you want to get on your bad side. Let him but a screw up, let his knees go bad, and completely ignore that those people exsist. Besides, if it wasn't for the 90% of retards in the gym, our sports wouldn't have nearly as much money or interest as it does. Somebody has to go to the competitions to watch, not everyone can be a competitor.
    Me and the weight room manager are pretty cool. Been lifting in the gym since I was a freshman so about 5 years ago. Just wanted reasons to tell him why it is bad for you. Wasn't a fight or anything like that. I generally help the security guard with his lifts since he always comes to me asking about it. He's around 50 so more prone to injuring his knees/back etc. in the smith machine.
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    Originally Posted by Shanecutler51 View Post
    You're either retarded or just an idiot. He's 50 something years old and he generally asks me for advice. So I told him why not to squat in the smith machine because he is more likely to injure himself and if he performs free squat correctly and then the weight room manager came and started on all that. Reading comprehension bro, look into it.
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
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    Originally Posted by nateakabear05 View Post
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
    I'll refrain from saying what my first reaction to this was. So, I'll say I just saw a 70+ year old man set an American record this last weekend for his master's 4 division. He squated an impressive 500+ lbs @ 220.
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    Originally Posted by nateakabear05 View Post
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
    I don't see why not.
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    Originally Posted by nateakabear05 View Post
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
    Why not, if he got no knee injury or any medical problem, I dont see why he couldnt squat using a proper form and get good result for his overall health.
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    Originally Posted by nateakabear05 View Post
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
    Yeah, he is a police officer and enjoys working his legs. He is in solid shape for his age. Just hit a 275 bench press. I say if he squats with light weight until he gets his form down and knee wraps when he goes heavy he should be fine in my honest opinion. Wouldn't make him do something that has a high risk of injury. Also only reason I was rude in that post is because I don't like that guy very much (sickonstorm) especially after he insulted Nick Winters in another thread. His constant belittling of other lifters much more accomplished than him disgusts me. It's like he can't admit a lifter is much stronger than him and take advice from him because he is much more knowledgeable with his child like total.
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    Originally Posted by nateakabear05 View Post
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
    I would like to hear your explanation of how age itself has any bearing on what exercises an individual performs.
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    Originally Posted by nateakabear05 View Post
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
    Yes.
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    Originally Posted by matthewluke60 View Post
    As well, people get pissy when you mess with "their" routine. If somebody walked up to you and told you that you were DLing wrong, would you be pretty pissed........I know I would, I'd probably punch them or throw some weights around because somebody had the gull to tell me I was wrong while in my gym.
    but this is because you are already an accomplished and successful lifter. If the guy in question has any sense he might be open to advice b/c he knows that his own knowledge is solely on the, "oh that thing LOOKS safer" mentality.

    Originally Posted by nateakabear05 View Post
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
    you can't say "truth is..." and then follow it up with a question, much less a stupid one. It makes no sense.

    Originally Posted by Kiknskreem View Post
    I would like to hear your explanation of how age itself has any bearing on what exercises an individual performs.
    Originally Posted by Arlecchino View Post
    Yes.
    guys...be serious. We all know that if you get under the bar after age 40 your knees/hips/spine will explode.


    OP just politely introduce the points that Arlecchino laid out.

    I recently had a similar encounter in which the lifter in question listened to my points and then decided to tell me I didnt know what I was talking about since he was a Captain in the marine corps and I am a lowly corporal.

    Hopefully your guy is more open to sound advice.
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    Originally Posted by cjdelaney View Post
    guys...be serious. We all know that if you get under the bar after age 40 your knees/hips/spine will explode.
    Damn. I turn 41 next August. Need to hit my desired total fast.

    Thanks for the warning.

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    Originally Posted by Shanecutler51 View Post
    You're either retarded or just an idiot. He's 50 something years old and he generally asks me for advice. So I told him why not to squat in the smith machine because he is more likely to injure himself and if he performs free squat correctly and then the weight room manager came and started on all that. Reading comprehension bro, look into it.
    You should have made it more clear in your first post. No reason to be so negative. Your first post came off that you just randomly came up to a person doing squats in the smith machine, and telling him what to do. I was not the only one to interpret it this way also.
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    Originally Posted by someonefat View Post
    You should have made it more clear in your first post. No reason to be so negative. Your first post came off that you just randomly came up to a person doing squats in the smith machine, and telling him what to do. I was not the only one to interrupt it this way also.
    interrupt? GJDM
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    interrupt? GJDM
    Fixed it for you
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    Originally Posted by cjdelaney View Post
    guys...be serious. We all know that if you get under the bar after age 40 your knees/hips/spine will explode.
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    If he's been working out his whole lift, then his joints and bones are probably stronger than a 20 year old's.
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    Originally Posted by cjdelaney View Post
    guys...be serious. We all know that if you get under the bar after age 40 your knees/hips/spine will explode.
    Originally Posted by nateakabear05 View Post
    Truth is... should a 50 year old man be squatting in general?
    Not sure what to make of all this.....need to go sit in my rocking chair and think about it.


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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    I'll refrain from saying what my first reaction to this was. So, I'll say I just saw a 70+ year old man set an American record this last weekend for his master's 4 division. He squated an impressive 500+ lbs @ 220.
    That guy was awsome, and one of the nicest people you could ever meet. His name is Deedy Shaw.
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    Back to the main topic =P
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    Originally Posted by Arlecchino View Post
    As others have previously mentioned, the bar is locked into a fixed plane, while you are trying to line up several joints in a straight line (and that never happens). So one of several things occurs:

    1. You wind up leaning forward more, which increases the shearing forced on the back (particualarly at the L4 - L5 vertebral joint)
    2. Knees wind up in front of you which:
    2a: Increases shearing force at the knee joint and
    2b: decreases the involvement of the hamstrings, and one of the functions of the hamstrings is to protect the patella tendon during flexion of the quadricep via co-contraction
    3. Skill development. Squatting is a skilled lift. If you are not practicing the skill, you will not get better at it. (This is a very simplified way of describing things like feedback from the proprioceptors, etc.). Or, to put it another way, I do not suppose many big-league home run hitters still hit the ball off of a freakin' T.
    4. Pattern overload syndrome.
    Originally Posted by Shanecutler51 View Post
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    Darn,..that really burst my bubble.

    I normally workout alone and with the safety of the smith I was able to push higher weights on all fronts (Bench, shoulder and squat).

    Another big plus for me was pushing it to failure was always so re-assuring knowing that I would not loose it.

    Is there any way to still do it...... albeit safely.


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    Originally Posted by neosanders View Post
    Darn,..that really burst my bubble.

    I normally workout alone and with the safety of the smith I was able to push higher weights on all fronts (Bench, shoulder and squat).

    Another big plus for me was pushing it to failure was always so re-assuring knowing that I would not loose it.

    Is there any way to still do it...... albeit safely.


    Damn,....!!
    You know you're in the Powerlifting section? The movements in a smith are different from the free movement.

    But I train alone too and I have no problems. For safety on Squats and bench, I just set the pins on the power rack to catch the bar. Problem solved.
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