...why are they such effective models in the testing of psychotropic drugs?
If they don't have feelings, such as, say, depression and anxiety... why is it that we use them to test pills to treat such things - and see the same results in rats as we do in humans? We observe similar behaviors and brain activity before treatment is administered - ditto after.
So?
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10-29-2008, 01:23 AM #1Registered User
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If other animals don't have feelings...
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10-29-2008, 01:25 AM #2Aut vincere aut mori
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I believe animals have compassion. Especially, in this case:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post237344611"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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10-29-2008, 01:28 AM #3Semper Fidelis
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Animals don't have feelings silly
Clearly their reaction was motivated by their reliance on him for sustenance and survival.Never criticize someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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10-29-2008, 01:30 AM #4
Surely from a scientific viewpoint it has been established that animals can suffer from anxiety. I certainly believe that animals have feelings.
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I felt like a pussy for almost crying at that video..... damn you!Originally Posted by HELIX35
Animals not only have feelings, I believe they acquire personalities as well, it's just more visible in some rather than others."The gods of the valleys are not the gods of the mountains"
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10-29-2008, 01:44 AM #6Registered User
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All the wrong people are in mah f*cking thrad!
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10-29-2008, 01:45 AM #7Aut vincere aut mori
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Who did you expect?Originally Posted by sheduma
All the wrong people are in mah f*cking thrad! :MAD:
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
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10-29-2008, 01:49 AM #8Registered User
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All the people from these threads who think animals have no feelings:Originally Posted by randomhero97
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=111521681
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=111542071
I suspect KRANE will be along to ignore my question by tomorrow morning.
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10-29-2008, 01:49 AM #9Semper Fidelis
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ANIMULS DUN HAVE FEELINS U GONNA BURN IN HELL CUS THEY DUN HAVE SOLES HEATHEN IM NOT A MONKEYOriginally Posted by sheduma
All the wrong people are in mah f*cking thrad!
RAWRNever criticize someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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10-29-2008, 02:04 AM #10Eye Agree. Anmals Are Like Rooobots And If Ewe Snap Theyrrrrre Legs Off They Don't Feel It. Anmals R Put Here By The Lord For Us To Chew On. Tasty Anmals..Originally Posted by helix35
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10-29-2008, 02:11 AM #11Registered Abuser
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Hmmmm OK THAT ISS SOOO STUPED. HOW CANN IT BE POSSEABLE FOR TEH ANIMALS TO HAVE FEELINGS??? LAST I'D CHECKE=D ONLY TEH ALMITY GOD MAKES PEEPLE HAVE FEELINGS AND ****...
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^ThisOriginally Posted by stateless
"The gods of the valleys are not the gods of the mountains"
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10-29-2008, 03:04 AM #13eating pudding...
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Animals get depressed?
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10-29-2008, 03:15 AM #14Registered User
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See my OP:Originally Posted by SteR-
If they didn't, why would we be using them to test the effectiveness of antidepressants?
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10-29-2008, 04:39 AM #15
kranes god told him animals are machines. sounds like schizophrenia to me....
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10-29-2008, 05:22 AM #16Strength Addict
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Leading the march for repressed animals worldwide!
Oh, and anyone who thinks that the majority of creatures do not have feelings - go get yourself a dog and check back in with me in a few months."For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38,39
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10-29-2008, 05:27 AM #17Registered User
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Isnt our brain like every other animals brain except with further layers on top.
(Human layer dealing with thoughts)
(Animal layer dealing with feelings)
(Lizard layer dealing with mating/fighting)
(Core handling operation of body)
Someone correct me
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10-29-2008, 05:57 AM #18Work hard or go home
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We're animals too.Originally Posted by sheduma
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Viking to the core.
Fark yew.
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Which is why I specified "other animals"Originally Posted by IceDragon
We're animals too.
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10-29-2008, 06:17 AM #20Goodbye CC
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I believe they have feelings. I just don't think they realize they are having them.
Kind of like when I was 3. I'm sure I was happy, sad, angry, all that good stuff. I just don't remember it.
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10-29-2008, 07:43 AM #21Þórr vigi
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No feelings? No intelligence?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_(dog)
"For example, the day after he first allowed his owner to put her arm around him, he placed a large bear with its arm around a smaller frog.[2][6] Dr. Barbara Smuts, a psychology professor at the University of Michigan who studied Donnie, attributes these behaviors to his being caged in the shelter for a year with only a single toy.[4]" (there's a Krane in every crowd).
Amazing how he associated a larger creature (human) putting its arm around him (a smaller creature) and a large stuffed bear's arm around a smaller frog. I guess it's because he was caged for a whole year. Nah, he didn't make a conscious association."Go home, have a beer and smash something. That's what I would do" - Unknown (but probably Thor).
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I always like howOriginally Posted by OmniPotentTitan
first 30 seconds
1) Small dogs think they are big dogs.
2) Big dogs know not to crush the small dog.
We had a rat terrier and a lab once, and the lab would bite down on the whole body of the terrier, but just enough to let the little guy know not to mess with him.
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Quit being all rational and stuff, animals can't tell me they feel anything.. therefore they have no feelings!! Beat that logic.Originally Posted by sheduma
Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend. - Bruce Lee
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Or when they bite family cats.Originally Posted by TheStender
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I may have to test this out.Originally Posted by OmniPotentTitan
Or when they bite family cats.
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My dog definatly has emotions. He even understands our emotions. For example of my wife is in a bad mood he knows it and will act differently.
I'm not sure if he's just reading body language or what, but he will respond by sitting next to her and trying to comfort her.Official misc attaché to the Kremlin
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10-29-2008, 08:32 AM #27Originally Posted by sheduma
Krane's response: "Satan is confusing those scientists and he's confusing you! Now I'm leaving before I get backed into a corner."
An Hero's response: "I don't know why they test animals, but just as long as they're not testing ****philes, I'm happy. I value ****philes over animals in ever situation."
US_Ranger's response: "F*CK YOU, YOU SICK PIECES OF ****. ANIMALS ARE ROBOTS AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS, F*CKERS!"
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Originally Posted by sheduma
You said "other", but humans are not animals. You fail.
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I have a cat with emotions. She was seperated from another cat that she lived with for a few years and suddenly started peeing on everything. Also when I was deployed to Afghanistan my wife said she would roam the house looking for me then get all weepy. Just thought I would share. (no homo)
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^^^ Ignorance is strong with this one.Originally Posted by nonAtlas
You said "other", but humans are not animals. You fail."The best-laid schemes o mice an men Gang aft agley." Robert Burns
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