Pure Velocity Vs Karbolyn??

DragOn133 · 10-22-2008, 05:01 PM

What's up fellas, lurked on here for a LONG time and decided to just start posting once I saw some great threads/topics and posts, but also tons that are highly mis-informed and so on..

Anyway, after trying every waxy maize for the past 3-4 years under the sun, I can confidently say nothing on the market/in stores is effective anymore (to the degree they use to be) .. The processing of the waxy maize starch has become crappy unless going with the upper echelon products (Genr8, original Vitargo/Prof Supps/Nutrex is decent)

I have went through the Pure Velocity and now see Karbolyn has came out , is it the "newer and improved" formula? It doesn't mention or say so and being that it's not a waxy maize starch or oat barley starch I wouldn't think so, is it just as effective or even more so? I cannot find information on the new ingredients or formula anywhere, any help would be much appreciated!

Martin

nateedogg27 · 10-23-2008, 01:36 PM

Good Question, Velocity was born to be the closest thing to Vitargo. It was processed very similar to Vitargo, but not identically (prevent patent infringement).

We then added glycerol to enhance muscle hydration along with pyruvate as it helps with carb transport.

Karbolyn is a superior product, so we decided to end Velocity. We still do have people that request Velocity for the increase hydration/pump from glycerol. However the demand was not large enough to continue production on Velocity

What we have noticed between Velocity and Karbolyn thus far, is that Karbolyn seems to get me more of a sustained release of glucose in your blood, and it doesn't give you a low blood sugar "crash". Which is especially advantageous if you are trying to release nutrients into the blood at a steady rate. Kind of like an I.V. drip of glucose, and nutrients that can last longer then Velocity did. As far as the molecular weight, they are pretty similiar, hopefully i'll be able to get some exact weights and compare the two, but i do beleive Vitargo is a little heavier.

DragOn133 · 10-24-2008, 12:21 AM

Interesting, I appreciate the info! I will be ordering some more velocity (pm me if you have any deals) and am picking up my karbolyn and hyperbolic tomorrow, I told my supplier about you guys and he right away started carrying them!

I will do some experimenting between the 3, all I know is velocity was the best hands down. To actually feel the effectiveness through quality is just crazy!

Iron.Addict · 10-24-2008, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DragOn133

Interesting, I appreciate the info! I will be ordering some more velocity (pm me if you have any deals) and am picking up my karbolyn and hyperbolic tomorrow, I told my supplier about you guys and he right away started carrying them!

I will do some experimenting between the 3, all I know is velocity was the best hands down. To actually feel the effectiveness through quality is just crazy!

I always found the quality and effectiveness of Pure Vitargo to be superior to that of bulk WMS with that being said I do look forward to trying the new sku's from Professional Supplements.

nateedogg27 · 10-24-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DragOn133

Interesting, I appreciate the info! I will be ordering some more velocity (pm me if you have any deals) and am picking up my karbolyn and hyperbolic tomorrow, I told my supplier about you guys and he right away started carrying them!

I will do some experimenting between the 3, all I know is velocity was the best hands down. To actually feel the effectiveness through quality is just crazy!

Definetly let me know your thoughts!! Thanks for spreading the good word. I personally can't beleive the crap that company's are trying to put out now adays i'm working on a little Carb fact sheet, and hopefully i be able to shed the light for the typical consumer. I'll definetly PM you if i get any more stock personally i'm out though!!

nateedogg27 · 10-24-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron.Addict

I always found the quality and effectiveness of Pure Vitargo to be superior to that of bulk WMS with that being said I do look forward to trying the new sku's from Professional Supplements.

Ya Pure Vitargo is how i become a REP, i missed it so much that I emailed the President and the rest is history!! Definetly try the Hyperbolic 10 its good stuff pricey, but very effective. Theirs a few reviews going on with it right now and so far so good. I personally love the stuff!!

DragOn133 · 10-24-2008, 11:23 PM

Well fellas, picked up my Hyperbolic and Karbolyn today...

The Karbolyn like you said, is more of a time released so to speak, didn't hit me at once but gave me a progressive and sustained energy/surge through my workout, and I go balls to the wall...

I put a scoop of the karbolyn in with a serving of hyperbolic as my pre workout formula, I have found gold, literally..

I don't care about the money when it's of great quality and just the best I have tried, I forgot what a "pump" was like in the gym yet I was still having the best lifts and going up every week... I actually felt it fill me out, I have no felt that since velocity months ago, funny how mentally you can trick your body into thinking something is working, but you can't trick your mind into thinking something isn't working that IS LOL!

Again, for the hardcore guys such as myself, thanks Prof Supps for catering to our needs!

mer-der-ah · 10-24-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DragOn133

Well fellas, picked up my Hyperbolic and Karbolyn today...

The Karbolyn like you said, is more of a time released so to speak, didn't hit me at once but gave me a progressive and sustained energy/surge through my workout, and I go balls to the wall...

I put a scoop of the karbolyn in with a serving of hyperbolic as my pre workout formula, I have found gold, literally..

I don't care about the money when it's of great quality and just the best I have tried, I forgot what a "pump" was like in the gym yet I was still having the best lifts and going up every week... I actually felt it fill me out, I have no felt that since velocity months ago, funny how mentally you can trick your body into thinking something is working, but you can't trick your mind into thinking something isn't working that IS LOL!

Again, for the hardcore guys such as myself, thanks Prof Supps for catering to our needs!

have you ever tried plasmajet?

DragOn133 · 10-24-2008, 11:50 PM

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have you ever tried plasmajet?

No, I don't use products like that really, I stick to the basics..

I buy bulk and make my own concoctions which work extremely well for me, I have like 10 products that just sit on my shelf that I bought and never use..

Been through them all, not worth the time.. All I need is my high quality carb drink, throw in my creatine blend, beta alanine, citrulline malate, bcaas, carnitine, arginine's maybe a few other things and I am set.

mer-der-ah · 10-24-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DragOn133

No, I don't use products like that really, I stick to the basics..

I buy bulk and make my own concoctions which work extremely well for me, I have like 10 products that just sit on my shelf that I bought and never use..

Been through them all, not worth the time.. All I need is my high quality carb drink, throw in my creatine blend, beta alanine, citrulline malate, bcaas, carnitine, arginine's maybe a few other things and I am set.

basics? that makes no sense. you're talking about this hyperbolic stuff here which is like 10 things in one. kinda like nanovapor/anabolic halo has 100 things i them :P

plasmajet is some arginine's you'll never find elsewhere (Arginine Dichloride Calcium Arginine Chelate) , glycerol, some anti-oxidants... the pump from ONE workout is so good, it lasts for days. no bs.

DragOn133 · 10-25-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mer-der-ah

basics? that makes no sense. you're talking about this hyperbolic stuff here which is like 10 things in one. kinda like nanovapor/anabolic halo has 100 things i them :P

plasmajet is some arginine's you'll never find elsewhere (Arginine Dichloride Calcium Arginine Chelate) , glycerol, some anti-oxidants... the pump from ONE workout is so good, it lasts for days. no bs.

I'm happy for you, do what you feel works best..

What makes no sense, it makes perfect sense? The basics to me, is all of my vasodilators without the BS products put in just about everything else on the market has, just to have extra stuff listed, and a carb source to shuttle my nutrients!

And I mentioned pump because it was funny compared to garbage carb sources, you can actually feel it.. Otherwise I dont give a fug about the pump considering that I can get it from my intensity without any supps, all how you train, that mind/muscle connection.

mer-der-ah · 10-25-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DragOn133

What makes no sense, it makes perfect sense? The basics to me, is all of my vasodilators without the BS products put in just about everything else on the market has, just to have extra stuff listed, and a carb source to shuttle my nutrients!

And I mentioned pump because it was funny compared to garbage carb sources, you can actually feel it.. Otherwise I dont give a fug about the pump considering that I can get it from my intensity without any supps, all how you train, that mind/muscle connection.

i couldn't agree more about BS products that cram every known thing to man in them just for the label. gotta love proprietary blends

as for carb sourcing, yes it make a difference in terms of insulin control and nutrient shuttling to a certain degree... i would never supplement a carb into my diet - just eat clean and time it properly. but not everyone likes to eat on the clock

nateedogg27 · 11-03-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mer-der-ah

i couldn't agree more about BS products that cram every known thing to man in them just for the label. gotta love proprietary blends

as for carb sourcing, yes it make a difference in terms of insulin control and nutrient shuttling to a certain degree... i would never supplement a carb into my diet - just eat clean and time it properly. but not everyone likes to eat on the clock

Wow! I disagree with you on this!! A super processed carb is way more effective then any carb source you can eat if used immidietly post workout!! Their is ton's of research to back this. I agree with eating clean and keeping most of your carb intake in around the time of working out, but i beleive the cleaner the source the more effective it will be.

DragOn133 · 01-03-2009, 01:20 PM

Nate, any update on the comparisons of the different carb sources, molecular weight vs others and so on? Just wondering because this is the sickest and most effective carb product I have ever had in my life and over the 5 years of waxy maize ingestion!

I'm about to be on my 4th tub! Sickest fullness/pump/vascularity and gains in conjunction with my regimen , more so then ever, thanks forthe astounding product!

Btw I might get another pure velocity if I can still find it and stock up on that too before I cant get any, that was amazing too and probably better then karbolyn at certain times (ie if you need that rush of carb energy for a quick workout or something) since it's not time released per se!

DragOn133 · 01-13-2009, 11:10 AM

Bump??

nateedogg27 · 01-13-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DragOn133

Nate, any update on the comparisons of the different carb sources, molecular weight vs others and so on? Just wondering because this is the sickest and most effective carb product I have ever had in my life and over the 5 years of waxy maize ingestion!

I'm about to be on my 4th tub! Sickest fullness/pump/vascularity and gains in conjunction with my regimen , more so then ever, thanks forthe astounding product!

Btw I might get another pure velocity if I can still find it and stock up on that too before I cant get any, that was amazing too and probably better then karbolyn at certain times (ie if you need that rush of carb energy for a quick workout or something) since it's not time released per se!

Man I'm glad you like it!! Yeah I usually add some Velocity with my karbolyn in my Postworkout to get a big rush and then sustain that rush with the Karbolyn. I've still haven't received the exact molecular weight, but i know its really close to Vitargo but a little lower, Karbolyn's money spot is how it gives more of a sustained release!

I can say that We do see that glucose levels shoot up 46 points after taking it compared to WMS which was like 25. And one of the big things that WMS doesn't do, but Karbolyn does is give an insulin spike which is needed to drive glucose into the cells along with anything else you took with Karbolyn.

I don't know about you, but i love how it makes you swell when you take it immediately post workout "I call this the sponge factor lol"

DragOn133 · 01-13-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nateedogg27

Man I'm glad you like it!! Yeah I usually add some Velocity with my karbolyn in my Postworkout to get a big rush and then sustain that rush with the Karbolyn. I've still haven't received the exact molecular weight, but i know its really close to Vitargo but a little lower, Karbolyn's money spot is how it gives more of a sustained release!

I can say that We do see that glucose levels shoot up 46 points after taking it compared to WMS which was like 25. And one of the big things that WMS doesn't do, but Karbolyn does is give an insulin spike which is needed to drive glucose into the cells along with anything else you took with Karbolyn.

I don't know about you, but i love how it makes you swell when you take it immediately post workout "I call this the sponge factor lol"

Yea man it's a surreal product and feeling, you can just feel it "fill you up", no bs to others reading, I have been around the block with carb products and this is the end all for me!

I didn't know this impacted insulin levels that much more though, I still feel fine though so it doesn't matter..

Can you source me some Velocity please? PM me!

nateedogg27 · 01-14-2009, 06:29 AM

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Yea man it's a surreal product and feeling, you can just feel it "fill you up", no bs to others reading, I have been around the block with carb products and this is the end all for me!

I didn't know this impacted insulin levels that much more though, I still feel fine though so it doesn't matter..

Can you source me some Velocity please? PM me!

Let me do some looking! Its amazing how many people think WMS is great and don't realize that its not the carb source that makes karbolyn & Velocity work, its how the carb is processed!!

DragOn133 · 01-14-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nateedogg27

Let me do some looking! Its amazing how many people think WMS is great and don't realize that its not the carb source that makes karbolyn & Velocity work, its how the carb is processed!!

The granular carb has a much higher molecular weight.. W/e it is , it's crazy.. I'm just a little worried about the heightened insulin for much longer, and insulin resistance, can you pm me, and with Velocity info please if you can get it for me?

nateedogg27 · 01-14-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DragOn133

The granular carb has a much higher molecular weight.. W/e it is , it's crazy.. I'm just a little worried about the heightened insulin for much longer, and insulin resistance, can you pm me, and with Velocity info please if you can get it for me?

P.M.'d!!