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    Genetic disorders include....

    Obesity
    Abnormally short or tall
    Unusually ugly

    These alone would eliminate about 50% of the population from reproducing. Like I said in my first post, genetic flaws exist in everyone. You really need to narrow it down.
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    Originally Posted by JRRBadBoy4Life View Post
    Genetic disorders include....

    Obesity
    Abnormally short or tall
    Unusually ugly

    These alone would eliminate about 50% of the population from reproducing. Like I said in my first post, genetic flaws exist in everyone. You really need to narrow it down.
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    Originally Posted by ScrawnyDude View Post
    Should people with genetic disorders be ALLOWED to reproduce? That is should government step in to stop these inheritable genetic disorders from being passed down another generation?

    I am completely biased on this. The results will be included in an essay I am writing.
    I can't think of any genetic disorder guaranteed to be passed on, off the top of my head, that is so disabling as to mandate a stop to reproduction. I do think that couples that know they have an increased chance of producing offspring with something such as Down's Syndrome should seriously consider adopting instead.


    I do, however, believe that if a child is born that is proven to have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, the mother should be spayed.

    And just to be gender fair, I also believe that all male rapists (true rape: where one party is unwilling) should be neutered.
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    Originally Posted by stateless View Post
    I believe that they should be able to reproduce. Nobody else is in a position to tell them how to lead their lives.

    From a person point of view, if their condition is sufficiently bad, I would "hope" that they would come to a decision not to reprduce, but again ultimately they make the decision.
    I would agree with that if they didnt receive welfare. Problems is they reproduce, and a lot . And all of this is payed by taxpayers since they cannot fend for themselves
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    Personally. I think people should have a license to reproduce!
    People have children that shouldn't have them - ie: abusive, noncaring, serious physical handicaps, etc...
    Then people that want children and can't have them..

    Its just messed up!

    So many child abuse and neglect cases to make you wonder - WTF is wrong with people? And so many families producing with genetic disorders - passing it on to their children who then pass it on, etc...
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    good responses so far people... I'll be using some of these in my essay
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    imo, the government has no right to tell them what to do

    but on the flip side, do they deserve support for their illness?
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    Originally Posted by ScrawnyDude View Post
    Should people with genetic disorders be ALLOWED to reproduce? That is should government step in to stop these inheritable genetic disorders from being passed down another generation?

    I am completely biased on this. The results will be included in an essay I am writing.
    The fact that you're even asking the question is terrifying. Rather than writing an essay, take a history course and come back to us with your thoughts.
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    The first step in answering this question is establishing what degree of inability constitutes a reduction in the capacity to 'be human'.

    I'd wager that is an impossible thing to establish. Some people live their live through near total inability, and others kill themselves because of a minor setback.
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    Originally Posted by JRRBadBoy4Life View Post
    Genetic disorders include....

    Obesity
    Abnormally short or tall
    Unusually ugly

    These alone would eliminate about 50% of the population from reproducing. Like I said in my first post, genetic flaws exist in everyone. You really need to narrow it down.
    True. To make this sort of thing illegal you first have to identify exactly what is considered a gentic disorder. What happens when there is a situation where the government considers it a genetic disorder, but the people do not? Who is that serving?
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    Originally Posted by HatesFat View Post
    Lets pose the question in a more pointed way.

    If you were 100% sure that the resulting baby would be born with a debilitating congenital disease. Remember, 100% sure... would you let the couple reproduce?
    if you value a culture of life, yes you would and you be ok with taxpayer funded programs to help the family raise their child
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    I don't want to live in a world where the All-Mighty Government can tell anyone whether they can mate or not.

    The common rumor is that Beethoven's mother had seven or more children, of which most of them were deaf or blind or otherwise disabled. By the logic in this thread, he should have been aborted.
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    Originally Posted by Boffman View Post
    Artificial Natural Selection? Interesting thought.
    Does not compute.
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    Originally Posted by Dark_MadMax View Post
    I would agree with that if they didnt receive welfare. Problems is they reproduce, and a lot . And all of this is payed by taxpayers since they cannot fend for themselves
    Maybe for children in general, but if people have disabilities, I think that it's good to help those less fortunate than I am.
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    In a modern, civilised society, the government should absolutely have NO bearing on whether or not a human being can reproduce.

    In America, this violates the constitution. In the parts of the world (including US) that agrees with the UN, this violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (amongst other Bills that may apply).

    If you believe that people with genetic disorders should be barred from reproducing, I'd like to see a convincing argument that can show these laws to be falsely made.
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    I don't want to live in a world where the All-Mighty Government can tell anyone whether they can mate or not.

    The common rumor is that Beethoven's mother had seven or more children, of which most of them were deaf or blind or otherwise disabled. By the logic in this thread, he should have been aborted.
    you could still mate. you would just need to get an abortion if it resulted in a pregnancy.

    and, the beethovan argument doesn't work since you could say that about all abortions, or even when someone just decides not to breed. for example: "just think of all the beethovens and newtons that we could have had if people would just have 3 or 5 or 10 more children each!". do you see why that is a fallicious argument now?
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    Originally Posted by Chris__ View Post
    I can't think of any genetic disorder guaranteed to be passed on, off the top of my head, that is so disabling as to mandate a stop to reproduction. I do think that couples that know they have an increased chance of producing offspring with something such as Down's Syndrome should seriously consider adopting instead.


    I do, however, believe that if a child is born that is proven to have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, the mother should be spayed.

    And just to be gender fair, I also believe that all male rapists (true rape: where one party is unwilling) should be neutered.
    Certain genetic disorders are actually a dominant trait but they're so rare cus the people with them are either stillborn or don't live long enough to reproduce.

    But anyways, I kinda agree with you on those mothers that got babies with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome those rapists. I wouldn't vote for gettin them neutered/spayed cus I think they should have different options for punishment though...but just personally, I really think rapists (like you said, not necessarily statutory rape where it's "rape" cus there's a one or two year difference between the couple's age, but ones that do it without consent) should be castrated. It's a terrible crime.
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    'Our starting point is not the individual:

    We do not subscribe to the view that one should feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, or clothe the naked ? Our objectives are different: We must have a healthy people in order to prevail in the world.'

    I think hitler said that. There shouldnt be a holocaust but they shouldnt reproduce in the future.
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    Eugenics is pure evil.
    I define anarchist society as one where there is no legal possibility for coercive aggression against the person or property of an individual. - Rothbard

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    I wonder if some of the arguments against it are rooted in the fear that if it came to a selectio that one's own genetics might not make the cut.

    it's an interesting concept, not one that I'd like to see or that could realistically ever come about in one of todays societies (but who knows, the government claims authority over your body in many other areas)

    you can't stop people having kids.. unless they're truely retarded and incapable of taking care of their equally retarded possible child in which case it is a mercy to sterilize them. Anyone saying otherwise should be forced to contribute to the care of kids with severe mental retardation after their parents have passed away
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    Originally Posted by OmniPotentTitan View Post
    Does not compute.
    I meant Artificial Selection. The natural was put there so people could see what I was referring to without me having to spell it out. Unfortunately I can't make it so easy so that the profoundly retarded can understand it...

    Originally Posted by Tip Top View Post
    playing devil's advocate here...but we already have artificial natural selection by using modern medicine
    How would this be Natural Selection? In my mind I feel we humans have 'cheated' Natural Selection with modern medicine.
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    Originally Posted by Halfway View Post
    I wonder if some of the arguments against it are rooted in the fear that if it came to a selectio that one's own genetics might not make the cut.
    no fear here

    i seriously doubt there would be enough people with "perfect" genetics for a sustainable society anyway
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    Pretty much every person has some sort of genetic disorder. This is why you get messed up kids from inbreeding.

    If there would be a ban on people with certain genetic disorders from having children, it would be a very slippery slope toward a system in which anyone can be barred from having children for any reason.

    The best solution is to allow anyone to breed, but to do genetic screening so that potential partners can decide not to have children if they are incompatible.
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    I think you need to look at two questions here...

    Should they be allowed to? Yes
    Should they? Depends maybe

    Also so those who say people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce with genetic disorders, how sever of disorders are we talking? And who gets to draw the line of which disorders can and can't reproduce? This makes the anwser of allowed pretty clear to me.
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    I can't believe people who voted yes. Do you really want the government to perform Eugenics in a way like in the 70's?
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    Originally Posted by Dr.Strange View Post
    I can't believe people who voted yes. Do you really want the government to perform Eugenics in a way like in the 70's?
    Uh... take a look at the question again bro. You've got your "Yes" and "No" backwards.

    And I voted yes, there is no way government should have any say in the matter.
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    yes they should be allowed

    i would hope that most parents, when faced with something like 75% chance that their child could have a lethal genetic disorder would prefer to adopt rather than risk it..i know i would
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    thankyou everyone for your replies


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