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    What are the laws surrounding armor piercing ammunition?

    I'm talking ammo with a hardened steel core or other traits that make it specifically designed to pierce armor.

    Particularly, what are the laws about possession and private transfer of this ammunition between individuals.

    Anything regarding armor piercing ammunition would be much appreciated
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    I believe its illegal for it to be made or sold (to civilians) but not illegal to actually possess - if that makes any sense.



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    It shall be unlawful for:

    (7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless—
    (A) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
    (B) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of exportation; or
    (C) the manufacture or importation of such ammunition is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General;
    (8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery—
    (A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
    (B) is for the purpose of exportation; or
    (C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General; [1]

    In regards to what is armor piercing:

    (A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.
    (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—
    (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
    (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
    (C) The term “armor piercing ammunition” does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purpose
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    Originally Posted by sharpshooterz98 View Post
    I believe its illegal for it to be made or sold (to civilians) but not illegal to actually possess - if that makes any sense.



    Edit:

    It shall be unlawful for:

    (7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless?
    (A) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
    (B) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of exportation; or
    (C) the manufacture or importation of such ammunition is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General;
    (8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery?
    (A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
    (B) is for the purpose of exportation; or
    (C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General; [1]

    In regards to what is armor piercing:

    (A) The term ?ammunition? means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.
    (B) The term ?armor piercing ammunition? means?
    (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
    (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
    (C) The term ?armor piercing ammunition? does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purpose
    It seems this is only talking about handgun ammo, does that mean armor piercing rifle ammo would be legal?
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    Originally Posted by Anubis18 View Post
    It seems this is only talking about handgun ammo, does that mean armor piercing rifle ammo would be legal?
    That's a tough one because there's always someone out there making a pistol out of a rifle. Like an AR pistol or AK pistol. Even a .50bmg pistol.
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    Originally Posted by Anubis18 View Post
    It seems this is only talking about handgun ammo, does that mean armor piercing rifle ammo would be legal?
    I noticed this, but think about the Thompson centerfire handguns that fire rifle rounds...could make the law very hazy.

    Most rifle ammunition by virtue of physics will naturally pierce body armor, an 'armor piercing rifle round' seems a bit redundant when applied to the common kevlar vests worn by cops.
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    Just don't go around shooting LE/Military armor plated vehicles and you'll be alright.
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    Here's a good summary of AP ammo.

    http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2007...piercing-ammo/
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    You dont need AP rounds if your shooting a caliber like 7.62 x39, because odds are, if your getting shot at by that round, you're already in deep ****.
    Odds are its probably an ak-47, and it could be fully automatic with a drum magazine......AP isnt going to really make a difference unless its Past medium range.

    Actually i remember reading an article done by soliders and snipers in Iraq.
    They said they come across AP 7.62's alot....because ak-47's arent that accurate at medium range, nor penetrate body armor.
    So they use AP rounds instead, so even if the solider is at medium to long range, they bullets will likely penetrate vests.

    Thats what I read anyways....when it comes to rifle calibers, MOST of them have armor piercing abilites at close range, but once you get out farther, they dont penetrate vests, but if your using an AP round, its going to carry power right thru most body armor, or truck armor.
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