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10-15-2008, 11:54 AM
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Long term use of Anavar
Hello all,
I've posted a few questions in here to try to educate myself on different things, and always gotten good straight forwrad words of advice... I still haven't jumped on board and tried anything since I'm still making gains naturally...but I need some advice for a friend.
She's been taking a fairly low dose of var (10 miligrams a day) for 6 months now. She thinks that since it's androgenic properties are low, she can basically take it as long as she wants without side effects. I was hoping some of you could give me some solid points to bring up when I next talk to her...
I agree, she looks great since she's been on...but it can't be safe to take it for this long...
Thanks in advance...
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10-22-2008, 08:33 AM
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Hope this helps posted the part about toxicness in quotes up top, and the complete page of info below:
"However Oxandrolone should not be taken for several consecutive months, since, as with almost all oral steroids it is 1 7-alpha alkylated and thus liver toxic."
Substance: Oxandrolone A.K.A. Anavar
Description; Dose; Brand Name: Anavar; 5 mg tab; Denkall, QV
Searle Company introduced the substance Oxandrolone to the U.S. market in 1964 under the name Anavar and it enjoyed great popularity for over two decades until, on July 1, 1989, the production of Anavar was phased out. Today Anavar is manufactured under its various generic names in only a few countries. The compound with the generic name Oxandrolone SPA by S.p.A. Milano Company (Societ? Prodotti Antibiotica) from Italy is the only original anabolic steroid available in Europe which contains the substance Oxandrolone. There are 30 tablets in one box with two push-through strips of 15 tablets each. Anavar is also available from Denkall, in 5 mg tabs. Oxandrolone is a weak steroid with only a slight androgenic component. It has been shown that Oxandrolone, when taken in reasonable dos-ages, rarely has any side effects. This is appreciated since Oxandrolone was developed mostly for women and children. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids which does not cause an early stunting of growth in children since it does not prematurely close the epiphysial growth plates. For this reason Oxandrolone is mostly used in children to stimulate growth and in women to prevent osteoporosis. Oxandrolone causes very light virilization symptoms, if at all. This characteristic makes Oxandrolone a favored remedy for female athletes since, at a daily dose of 10-15 mg, masculinizing symptoms are observed only rarely.
Bodybuilders and power lifters, in particular, like Oxandrolone for three reasons. First, Oxandrolone causes a strong strength gain by stimulating the phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without depositing liquid (water) in the joints and the muscles. Power lifters and weightlifters who do not want to end up in a higher weight class take advantage of this since it allows them to get stronger without gaining body weight at the same time. The combination of Oxandrolone and 20 - 30 mg Holotestin daily has proven to be very effective since the muscles also look harder. Similarly good results can be achieved by a simultaneous intake of Oxandrolone and 120-140 mcg Clenbuterol per day. Although Oxandrolone itself does not cause a noticeable muscle growth it can clearly improve the muscle-developing effect of many steroids. Deca-Durabolin, Dianabol, and the various testosterone compounds, in particular, combine well with Oxandrolone to achieve a "mass buildup" because the strength gain caused by the intake of these highly tissue-developing and liquid-retaining sub-stances results in an additional muscle mass. A stack of 200 mg Deca-Durabolin/week, 500 mg Testosterone enanthate (e.g. Testoviron Depot 250)/week, and 25 mg Oxandrolone/day leads to a good gain in strength and mass in most athletes. Deca-Durabolin has a distinct anabolic effect and stimulates the synthesis of protein; Oxandrolone improves the strength by a higher phosphocreatine synthesis; and Testosterone enanthate increases the aggressiveness for the workout and accelerates regeneration.
The second reason why Oxandrolone is so popular is that this compound does not aromatize in any dosage. As already mentioned, a certain part of the testosterone present in the body is converted into estrogen. This aromatization process, depending on the predisposition, can vary distinctly from one athlete to another. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids which cannot aromatize to estrogen. This characteristic has various advantages for the athlete. With Oxandrolone the muscle system does not get the typical watery appearance as with many steroids, thus making it very interesting during the preparation for a competition. In this phase it is especially important to keep the estrogen level as low as possible since estrogen programs the body to store water even if the diet is calorie-reduced. In combination with a diet, Oxandrolone helps to make the muscles hard and ripped. Although Oxandrolone itself does not break down fat, it plays an indirect role in this process because the substance often suppresses the athlete's appetite. Oxandrolone can also cause some bloating which in several athletes results in nausea and vomiting when the tablets are taken with meals. The package insert of the Italian Oxandrolone notes its effect on the activity of the gastrointestinal tract. Some athletes thus report continued diarrhea. Although these symptoms are not very pleasant they still help the athlete break down fat and become harder. Those who work out for a competition or are interested in gaining quality muscles should combine Oxandrolone with steroids such as Winstrol, Parabolan, Masteron, Primobolan, and Testosterone propionate. A stack of 50 mg Winstrol every two days, 50 mg Testosterone propionate every two days, and 25 mg Oxandrolone every day has proven effective. Another advantage of Oxandrolone's non-aromatization is that athletes who suffer from high blood pres-sure or develop gynecomastia of the thymus glands when taking stronger androgenic steroids will not have these side effects with this compound. The. Oxandrolone/Deca-Durabolin stack is a welcome alternative for this group of athletes or for athletes show-ing signs of poor health during mass buildup with testosterone, Dianabol, or Anadrol 50. Athletes over forty should predominantly use Oxandrolone.
The third reason which speaks well for an intake of Oxandrolone is that even in a very high dosage this compound does not influence the body's own testosterone production. To make this clear: Oxandrolone does not suppress the body's own hormone production. The reason is that it does not have a negative feedback mechanism on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, meaning that during the intake of Oxandrolone, unlike during the intake of most anabolic steroids, the testes signal the hypo-thalamus not to reduce or to stop the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) and LHRH Luteinizing hormone releasing hormone). This special feature of Oxandrolone can be explained by the fact that the substance is not converted into estrogen Oxandrolone (Anavar), when given to normal men in high doses does not reduce the seminal volume or count, nor can it be converted (aromatized) into estrogen.
Oxandrolone combines very well with Andriol, since Andriol does not aromatize in a dosage of up to 240 mg daily and has only slight influence on the hormone production. The daily intake of 280 mg Andriol and 25 mg Oxandrolone results in a good gain in strength and, in steroid novices, also in muscle mass without excessive water retention and without a significant influence on testosterone production. As for the dos-age of Oxandrolone, 8-12 tablets in men and 5-6 tablets in women seem to bring the best results. The rule of thumb to take 0.125 mg/pound of body weight daily has proven successful in clinical tests. The tablets are normally taken two to three times daily after meals thus assuring an optimal absorption of the substance. Those who get the already discussed gastrointestinal pain when taking Oxandrolone are better off taking the tablets one to two hours after a meal or switching to another compound.
Since Oxandrolone is only slightly toxic and usually shows few side effects it is used by several athletes over a prolonged period of time. However Oxandrolone should not be taken for several consecutive months, since, as with almost all oral steroids it is 1 7-alpha alkylated and thus liver toxic. Oxandrolone is an all-purpose remedy which, depending on the athlete's goal, is very versatile. Women who react sensitively to the intake of anabolic steroids achieve good results when combining Oxandrolone/Primobolan Tabs and/or Clenbuterol, without suffering from the usual virilization symptoms. Women, however, should not take more than 6 tablets daily. otherwise, androgenic-caused side effects such as acne, deep voice, clitoral hypertrophy or increased growth of body hair can occur.
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10-23-2008, 07:49 PM
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I wouldnt advice her to take it more than 12 weeks..Just to be safe..Maybe 12 weeks followd by 4-8 weeks off and then again 12 weeks..Is not safe to be "on" for a long time,even with a not so toxic steroid like anavar.Ur system need some rest after a cycle..So u cant be on forever..
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10-24-2008, 07:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Delaylah
Hello all,
I've posted a few questions in here to try to educate myself on different things, and always gotten good straight forwrad words of advice... I still haven't jumped on board and tried anything since I'm still making gains naturally...but I need some advice for a friend.
She's been taking a fairly low dose of var (10 miligrams a day) for 6 months now. She thinks that since it's androgenic properties are low, she can basically take it as long as she wants without side effects. I was hoping some of you could give me some solid points to bring up when I next talk to her...
I agree, she looks great since she's been on...but it can't be safe to take it for this long...
Thanks in advance...
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if the clit is not growing, and she dont get hair on the back or other nasty permanent virilization side effects, all she need to worrie about until then, is her bloodwork liver etc.
So get bloodwork done, and from there she can make a educated decision.
if she gets sides she dont like physical that is, she should lay off ofc, but if she dont care well its her body, what she needs to worrie about mostly is hdl/ldl liver values etc.
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10-26-2008, 03:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zaqx
if the clit is not growing, and she dont get hair on the back or other nasty permanent virilization side effects, all she need to worrie about until then, is her bloodwork liver etc.
So get bloodwork done, and from there she can make a educated decision.
if she gets sides she dont like physical that is, she should lay off ofc, but if she dont care well its her body, what she needs to worrie about mostly is hdl/ldl liver values etc.
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Wouldn't mind a slightly larger clit, but thats playing with fire. Also, the liver after 6 months of oral pills?
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10-26-2008, 09:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saku39
Wouldn't mind a slightly larger clit, but thats playing with fire. Also, the liver after 6 months of oral pills?
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bloodwork will reveal if the liver is in the dangerzone, thats why i recommended it, for a normal person the liver can take some good beating but if you run orals long er than 6 weeks start doing checkups every 1month or 2.
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10-28-2008, 01:16 PM
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Thanks guys...I appreciate the help
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