ROFL @ joe the plumber

[mingo3403]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...p/?cl=10234011


HE DON'T EVEN MAKE ANYTHING NEAR 250K A YEAR












HA HA HA HA AND LOTS OF THE DEBATE WAS ABOUT THIS GUY MAKING 250K A YEAR

[user27629377]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...p/?cl=10234011
[size=20]HE DON'T EVEN MAKE ANYTHING NEAR 250K A YEAR

The business he plans on purchasing makes over 250k a year, haha at your ******ry and inability to read and comprehend.

[SevereMedicalCondition]

Anyone see the Joe the Plumber troll lost night? it was lulz.

[NotRippedYet]

The business he plans on purchasing makes over 250k a year, haha at your ******ry and inability to read and commprehend.

You mean the business that he'd someday like to buy but has no real tangible plans in place to do so.

Right?

[sword_]

Anyone see the Joe the Plumber troll lost night? it was lulz.

Dammit I missed it

[user27629377]

You mean the business that he'd someday like to buy but has no real tangible plans in place to do so.

Right?

Do you have any plans to make a logical post, or even do something valuable with your life? Probably not, but you hope to one day do so.

The argument was based upon the premise that he would one day purchase the company, therefore the tax on people making more than $250k would apply to him, making the argument valid.

[NotRippedYet]

Do you have any plans to make a logical post, or even do something valuable with your life? Probably not, but you hope to one day do so.

The argument was based upon the premise that he would one day purchase the company, therefore the tax on people making more than $250k would apply to him, making the argument was valid.

Right.

So he's worried about an extra 3% tax increase on people who make over $250k because he has it in his mind that he'll someday own a company that makes over $250k. Yet, he admits that he has absolutely no plans in place to actually purchase, or even have the know-how to run said business.

Which is what I just said.

You can have hopes and plans to do anything you want, and because of that you can have a valid argument against it.

You probably shouldn't be a huge focal point of a campaign because of it though.

[whiteboyy0]

Anyone see the Joe the Plumber troll lost night? it was lulz.

dam i missed it. links?

[gotspeed22]

OP said in another thread (discussing income taxes) "if you buy a soda at the store your a taxpayer." lawl. he doesn't know ****. pretty sure hes on the obama suckoff squad. (no hate)

[sword_]

Right.

So he's worried about an extra 3% tax increase on people who make over $250k because he has it in his mind that he'll someday own a company that makes over $250k. Yet, he admits that he has absolutely no plans in place to actually purchase, or even have the know-how to run said business.

Which is what I just said.

You can have hopes and plans to do anything you want, and because of that you can have a valid argument against it.

You probably shouldn't be a huge focal point of a campaign because of it though.

Yea I busted these 35K ballers earlier by that flawed logic.

[user27629377]

Right.

So he's worried about an extra 3% tax increase on people who make over $250k because he has it in his mind that he'll someday own a company that makes over $250k. Yet, he admits that he has absolutely no plans in place to actually purchase, or even have the know-how to run said business.

Which is what I just said.

You can have hopes and plans to do anything you want, and because of that you can have a valid argument against it.

You probably shouldn't be a huge focal point of a campaign because of it though.

If you truly believe that "Joe the Plumber" is an isolated situation within America, that's completely false. Yes, he was one person, how many other people do you think have tangible plans to buy a company that nets over 250k a year? Only Joe the plumber? Doesn't the tax increase affect the company he works for now? Who is to say tangible plans won't materialize over THE NEXT 4 YEARS? It was a valid point, and I'm fairly sure anyone who is able to use inductive reasoning could figure out the premise.

[user27629377]

Yea I busted these 35K ballers earlier by that flawed logic.

It's not flawed logic at all, it is a real situation that many people face, yes the individualization of the problem was overly specific, again, inductive reasoning.

[Clean]

If you truly believe that "Joe the Plumber" is an isolated situation within America, that's completely false. Yes, he was one person, how many other people do you think have tangible plans to buy a company that nets over 250k a year? Only Joe the plumber? Doesn't the tax increase affect the company he works for now? Who is to say tangible plans won't materialize over THE NEXT 4 YEARS? It was a valid point, and I'm fairly sure anyone who is able to use inductive reasoning could figure out the premise.

You are missing the point. Joe the Plumber and the rest of the Americans out there with those dreams of someday making over 250K won't get there anytime soon and Obama's tax plan will put relief on them and 95% of Americans right now.

The problem with American's is that they too often think of the best case sneario such as winning the lotory and becoming rich one day instead of what is reality.

[user27629377]

You are missing the point. Joe the Plumber and the rest of the Americans out there with those dreams of someday making over 250K won't get there anytime soon and Obama's tax plan will put relief on them and 95% of Americans right now.

I believe you are missing the point, saying people won't realize their dreams to make over 250k anytime soon because of increased taxes is flawed logic through and through.

I'm not arguing about the tax rate, but some people who are trying to explain it are overgeneralizing. Joe The Plumber was offered as an EXAMPLE of what MANY AMERICANS ARE GOING THROUGH AND WILL GO THROUGH FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS under 3% tax increase for that tax bracket.

I admit, there are numerous people who argue that this will effect them when in reality it never will, that's not what Joe The Plumber is about.

[BIGDAWGZ28]

If he ever buys the company or not he brought up a valid point..I guess what a lot of you dont understand is you get taxed on your gross profits as a business owner..This guy may make$250,000 as an owner but after paying employees and expenses he may only take home $50,000Now tax 3% more..His income just dropped $42,500..Way to punish the rich

[sword_]

It's not flawed logic at all, it is a real situation that many people face, yes the individualization of the problem was overly specific, again, inductive reasoning.

Then those people do have a valid argument, which is different from Joe.

[sf5410]

wow, your dumb.
Joe the Plumber is stating that a person who is more motivated, driven and overall more successful than other people should not be penalized.
-It's like telling Dexter Jackson to give you his abs because hes more muscular and overall more successful than you. It does not make sense.
If you happen to become a successful person do you want your successes taken away from you in a disproportionate manner compared to the unmotivated lesser driven people of society?
To each his own, and if you don't have it, work harder.

[tgc99gt]

Anyone see the Joe the Plumber troll lost night? it was lulz.

it was pretty funny that joe is somthin else

[user27629377]

Then those people do have a valid argument, which is different from Joe.

So you mean to tell me that in no way is it possible over the next 4 years for him to purchase this company and then be subjected to a tax increase? It is a valid argument, there is absolutely no flawed logic about it.

[sword_]

So you mean to tell me that in no way is it possible over the next 4 years for him to purchase this company and then be subjected to a tax increase? It is a valid argument, there is absolutely no flawed logic about it.

He's not in that situation now. It is hypothetical. Just like many other low to middle class people who argue this and about 90% of them won't be making 250K let alone 100K+ annually within their lifespan.

[user27629377]

He's not in that situation now. It is hypothetical. Just like many other low to middle class people who argue this and about 90% of them won't be making 250K let alone 100K+ annually within their lifespan.

It's a hypothetical that is much more likely to become true than many people who think they are going to make it big otherwise. The owner of the company has already talked about turning the company over to Joe at some point in the future. This isn't someone who is a low level Wal-Mart employee with dreams of one day owning Wal-Mart.

Again, there is no flawed logic in the argument, at all. Even someone who wishes to one day make 250k, subjecting them to the 3% increase is not based upon a false premise, as much of a long shot as it could be.

[BIGDAWGZ28]

He's not in that situation now. It is hypothetical. Just like many other low to middle class people who argue this and about 90% of them won't be making 250K let alone 100K+ annually within their lifespan.

But the people who employ them do..Lets say you work for a company that grosses 1 million dollars...You raise thier taxes 3% you just took $30,000..Now that limits the chances that they can hire someone because the goverment just took someone's year salary

[sword_]

But the people who employ them do..Lets say you work for a company that grosses 1 million dollars...You raise thier taxes 3% you just took $30,000..Now that limits the chances that they can hire someone because the goverment just took someone's year salary

There's many tax shelter laws and benefits with being a corporation (LLC or C/S-Corp) in America vs being an individual (e.g. sole proprietor) so that argument is moot.

Obama's policies aren't going to hurt small business owners.

[BIGDAWGZ28]

There's many tax shelter laws and benefits with being a corporation (LLC or C/S-Corp) in America vs being an individual (e.g. sole proprietor) so that argument is moot.

Obama's policies aren't going to hurt small business owners.

How do you figure..Thats your opinion..My parents face this situation..They own a small store.. a small business if you will..The gross over $250,000..After all is paid for they my profit $40-50,000..That is going to hurt them directly

[sword_]

How do you figure..Thats your opinion..My parents face this situation..They own a small store.. a small business if you will..The gross over $250,000..After all is paid for they my profit $40-50,000..That is going to hurt them directly

It really depends on how they are taxed. As individuals then yes they would be taxed more but not as much as a corporation.

[BIGDAWGZ28]

It really depends on how they are taxed. As individuals then yes they would be taxed more but not as much as a corporation.

Why should they be taxed more period? How do you create jobs by taxing the ones who employ and invest?

[sword_]

Why should they be taxed more period? How do you create jobs by taxing the ones who employ and invest?

Corporations get taxed LESS is what I said. Individuals who make more than 250K a year get taxed more though.

[stealth_swimmer]

Right.

So he's worried about an extra 3% tax increase on people who make over $250k because he has it in his mind that he'll someday own a company that makes over $250k. Yet, he admits that he has absolutely no plans in place to actually purchase, or even have the know-how to run said business.

Which is what I just said.

You can have hopes and plans to do anything you want, and because of that you can have a valid argument against it.

You probably shouldn't be a huge focal point of a campaign because of it though.

I'm pretty sure he said he had money saved up and was planning on it.

Corporations get taxed LESS is what I said. Individuals who make more than 250K a year get taxed more though.

Many small business owners file income from their businesses as personal income in their taxes though. They're still business-owners and that money is from their company.

[BIGDAWGZ28]

Corporations get taxed LESS is what I said. Individuals who make more than 250K a year get taxed more though.

My parents store isnt a corporation..

[sword_]

My parents store isnt a corporation..

So they aren't getting taxed like a C/S-Corp?