Test Cypionate And Winstrol Cycle

oneprime · 10-07-2008, 01:32 AM

Hey guys. Im from melbourne, Australia and new to this forum.
My name is anthony im 21, 184 pounds and 5'9. Im about 9 % bodyfat and fairly lean.I have trained for 4 years and I have done 2 test propionate and winstrol cycles in the past and had good results. However this time around i could only get my hands on some test cypionate. My goal is to come in as lean and hard as possible. I would appreciate some help on this kind of cycle as i have never taken cypionate before. thanks guys.

ShogunRua · 10-07-2008, 09:21 AM

Reallll easy bro im on a CYP only cycle right now myself. Run it for 12 weeks total, at 500mg per week. Inject twice a week. Depending on ur time schedule I dont know how you would like to do it but most guys inject mondays and thursdays(250mg per injection). And 2 weeks after ur last injection start your PCT. A simple nolva 40/40/20/20 will suffice but if you feel you need clomid it wouldnt hurt. Im running the cycle right now along with Hawthorne berry(blood pressure), saw palmetto(healthy prostate), NAC(healthy liver) and ZMA. Many people will say im overdoing with the cycle support because it is test only. But whatever, you only have one body and cycle support is dirt cheap. Keep an AI or Nolva on hand if gyno start to flare up, and u should also wash twice daily or use some sort of acne cream. Good luc kman! anymore questions just ask em!

oneprime · 10-07-2008, 10:13 PM

Thanks heaps for the reply and your suggestions on the cycle. My only real concern is if the diet is good and i am doing cardio will i hold water and not be able to get as lean as i have in the past?

Baal · 10-07-2008, 10:18 PM

I'd suggest run CYP for 14 weeks atleast.

My reasoning is simply because I believe in order to make and keep the greatest gains possible, you need to stay at this new weight for a while before coming off, as-well a longer ester like CYP takes longer to kick in.

Water is not body fat, although it looks a lot like it haha. When lean-bulking I wouldn't suggest any more cardio than walking in the morning on an empty stomach for 45minutes, maybe with some BCAA's and Creatine. This will boost your metabolism and allow you to eat a few more calories during the day.

Diet is key. Start off with 500 calories above maintaince, add 200 every week until you notice fat gain then adjust accordingly. There is no such thing as dirty bulking. Once you go above 15% body fat it almost isnt worth doing a cycle. It messes up your hormones...basically you'll experience more estrogen side affects.

I would save the winny for the end of the cycle instead of kick starting it. Just because of its affect on collagen. I love how it gives you more free test, + the strength gains on winny are nice. I'd suggest MSM and Glucosamine 1500? mg 2x daily. NAC for liver support as previously suggested. You could also run it 4 weeks on 4 weeks off throughout the entire cycle.

> Baal

oneprime · 10-08-2008, 09:05 PM

Thanks heaps for the information behind your advice. Im pumped more then ever for this cycle. ill let you know how i go.
cheers

Grahamefc · 10-09-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by oneprime

Thanks heaps for the information behind your advice. Im pumped more then ever for this cycle. ill let you know how i go.
cheers

How much winny are you going to use? Will you be using oral or injectable winny?

I'm about to start a test prop and winny cycle in about 3 weeks. I have all my gear but go on hoiday in a fortnight, so am starting when I get back.

I'm planning on running 100mg Test prop EOD along with 50mg oral winny ED. Winny for 5 weeks and test for 8 weeks. PCT is 4 weeks Aromasin at 25mg/day, 40mg Nolvadex ED for 7 weeks, and 500iu HCG EOD for 3 weeks.

I'm going for quality over quantity with this cycle (its my second). I want some nice, lean quality gains. Is 50mg oral winny ED enough?

gettin_big88 · 10-09-2008, 08:47 AM

winny wont do much unless low BF, low water ret. Test cyp will cause you to bloat, hiding winnys effects, tho you notice strenght increases. A shorter ester such as prop is much better for winny so you can stay leaner.

mvphillips5 · 06-09-2009, 09:20 AM

hey guys i was wondering if i could get some advice on a couple different products and see what you think would be the best.. i already have a 10 week test cyp. cycle where i would be injecting 1ml twice a week..i obv have not started yet.. and when i went into buying it ill honestly say i didnt know a whole lot about it.. as i have read up on it through the internet i guess i have somewhat talked myself out of that and now leaning more towards a 6 week winstrol cycle..like i said, just wanting to know what you guys think would be better... this will be my first cycle of anything...so if somebody could help me out and maybe let me know which would be best and what post cycle products would be good with it and maybe what else i should take a long with the product..any suggestions or advice would be appreciated...thanks!

Stanozolol · 06-09-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mvphillips5

hey guys i was wondering if i could get some advice on a couple different products and see what you think would be the best.. i already have a 10 week test cyp. cycle where i would be injecting 1ml twice a week..i obv have not started yet.. and when i went into buying it ill honestly say i didnt know a whole lot about it.. as i have read up on it through the internet i guess i have somewhat talked myself out of that and now leaning more towards a 6 week winstrol cycle..like i said, just wanting to know what you guys think would be better... this will be my first cycle of anything...so if somebody could help me out and maybe let me know which would be best and what post cycle products would be good with it and maybe what else i should take a long with the product..any suggestions or advice would be appreciated...thanks!

bro, you were on the right track even though you didn't know. 10 weeks of test cyp is the way to go. 6 weeks of winstrol would screw with your liver, joints, and cholestrol...and you wouldn't gain any muscle mass

mvphillips5 · 06-09-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brb_deadlifting

bro, you were on the right track even though you didn't know. 10 weeks of test cyp is the way to go. 6 weeks of winstrol would screw with your liver, joints, and cholestrol...and you wouldn't gain any muscle mass

appreciate it man..ur the first person to reply without some sort of insult or smartass remark...i know as much as what u can find on the internet..have u ran a cyp cycle before? just curious as to what side effects really do occur, and what other supps may be needed on the side? if any?..

ste247 · 06-09-2009, 02:54 PM

imo cyp should not be run with winny save the winny for your cuting cycle if your going to do one, take some deca or eq with your cyp m8, after 10 or 12 weeks on the cyp run some winny and tren for a few weeks

mvphillips5 · 06-09-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ste247

imo cyp should not be run with winny save the winny for your cuting cycle if your going to do one, take some deca or eq with your cyp m8, after 10 or 12 weeks on the cyp run some winny and tren for a few weeks

thanks a lot!

Stanozolol · 06-09-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mvphillips5

appreciate it man..ur the first person to reply without some sort of insult or smartass remark...i know as much as what u can find on the internet..have u ran a cyp cycle before? just curious as to what side effects really do occur, and what other supps may be needed on the side? if any?..

yes i have ran a test cyp cycle before with no side effects. run test cyp @ 500mg for 10 weeks followed by pct