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    11oxo, Gyno, what to do?

    this is my 1st post here, appreciate any input.
    well, I did a cycle of tren about 8-9 months ago, havoc about 3-4 months ago, and started 11oxo last week at 6 caps a day, going for 40 days.

    I've noticed a tender lump under my left nipple, and am curious what to do.

    I have letro on hand. I am wondering if I should continue the 11oxo (so far seen great results) and run letro .5mg every other day, or discontinue 11oxo and run letro, basically just looking for some input. I am hoping I can stop the gyno, possibly reverse it since it's early but would like some input on what anyone thinks to do.

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    start the letro.

    What was your PCT like for your tren cycle?
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    Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    start the letro.

    What was your PCT like for your tren cycle?
    6oxo, i3c, pcs, zma....

    start letro at what dosing would you say? also, quit the 11oxo or continue it with letro being ran? I've heard both ways..
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    Jon, if you have it, use it. Even if it's overkill, if it gives you peace of mind, then it's worth it. I use Novedex xt after every ph cycle and it has worked 100%.
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    I'd drop the 11oxo

    there was a thread about reversing gyno with letro and dosages..

    let me see if i could dig it up for you.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler8635 View Post
    Jon, if you have it, use it. Even if it's overkill, if it gives you peace of mind, then it's worth it. I use Novedex xt after every ph cycle and it has worked 100%.
    I agree, I am more then likely going to use it to give me peace of mind. what dosing am I supposed to run it at, never had to use it before. also, when should I expect to see results from it on average?
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    Originally Posted by Problem View Post
    I'd drop the 11oxo

    there was a thread about reversing gyno with letro and dosages..

    let me see if i could dig it up for you.
    appreciate it bro, I'm kinda bummed about dropping the 11oxo because it was giving great results. I'm assuming it's delayed from one of my previous cycles if I were to guess.

    is there anyways to continue 11oxo and running letro alongside to prevent any lumps or is it basically drop it and letro it up?
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    Here

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    It's up to you if you wanna drop the 11oxo or not, but i would, goodluck.
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    Originally Posted by bigjoom_1980 View Post
    6oxo, i3c, pcs, zma....

    start letro at what dosing would you say? also, quit the 11oxo or continue it with letro being ran? I've heard both ways..
    why didn't u run a pct like nolva or clomid after your cycle of tren?
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    Originally Posted by Horns3 View Post
    why didn't u run a pct like nolva or clomid after your cycle of tren?
    thanks for the neg, nice

    I didn't because I have ran cycles of tren in the past with OTC PCT like many others on this site it looks like, no problems until this has arisen
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    I'm not doubting you....but are you sure the 11oxo causing real gyno. Everybody is different....but 11oxo is really mild. I am very prone to sides. I just got done running at 8 caps a day of 11oxo and I noticed almost nothing. I was getting pissed because I spent all of that money and barely noticed any difference from normal. Plus pct was a breeze. I have run tren, havoc, hdrol and superdrol before and I am kind of astonished that you would get sides from 11oxo and not tren or havoc.
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    Originally Posted by bigjoom_1980 View Post
    this is my 1st post here, appreciate any input.
    well, I did a cycle of tren about 8-9 months ago, havoc about 3-4 months ago, and started 11oxo last week at 6 caps a day, going for 40 days.

    I've noticed a tender lump under my left nipple, and am curious what to do.

    I have letro on hand. I am wondering if I should continue the 11oxo (so far seen great results) and run letro .5mg every other day, or discontinue 11oxo and run letro, basically just looking for some input. I am hoping I can stop the gyno, possibly reverse it since it's early but would like some input on what anyone thinks to do.

    Thanks,

    Jon
    Drop the 11-OXO immediately and get on letro.

    It's more likely that this is delayed onset gyno from the earlier PH's as 11-OXO isn't much of an androgenic substance.But this is a moot point as 11-OXO will alter your test/estro equilibrium and chances are that will put a stopgap on letro's effects towards gyno
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    Originally Posted by MAXMUSCLE86 View Post
    I'm not doubting you....but are you sure the 11oxo causing real gyno. Everybody is different....but 11oxo is really mild. I am very prone to sides. I just got done running at 8 caps a day of 11oxo and I noticed almost nothing. I was getting pissed because I spent all of that money and barely noticed any difference from normal. Plus pct was a breeze. I have run tren, havoc, hdrol and superdrol before and I am kind of astonished that you would get sides from 11oxo and not tren or havoc.
    I don't know if it is from 11oxo or not, I doubt it as well, but could it be delayed from one of my previous cycles? that's what I am thinking at this point....
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    Just to ease your mind a little bit....the gyno will most likely be temporary. Especially if you have letro. Just get your hands on some OTC pct and hit the letro as soon as you do. Most stores don't carry OTC serms yet, so get a bottle of animal stak or something. I highly doubt you have actually grown any breast tissue....the sore feeling and puffiness is just your cue to stop.
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    would it be totally out of line if I continued the 11oxo running letro alongside? only reason I mention is because the fact that it is a mild PH....thanks for any input
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    Which kind of tren? The PH/DS kind or the injectable kind? If injectable kind, and the gyno is related to prolactin increase, get some cabergoline/dostinex and take it with the Letro..be warned though. Letro can get nasty if used at too high of a dosage. Start low and work up.
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    Originally Posted by Horns3 View Post
    why didn't u run a pct like nolva or clomid after your cycle of tren?
    Tren isn't strong enough IMO to require a SERM, coupled with it's ****ty oral availability.

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    would it be totally out of line if I continued the 11oxo running letro alongside? only reason I mention is because the fact that it is a mild PH....thanks for any input
    No, do not run letro with 11-OXO. I doubt you have gyno anyway, but if you truly have it, you don't want to be twisting around your hormones with a PH then using an AI.
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    Look at the long run Jon. I believe it would be best to drop the 11oxo and start the letro asap. Get your nips settled and you can always give the 11 another go.
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    Originally Posted by Taman25thc02 View Post
    Which kind of tren? The PH/DS kind or the injectable kind? If injectable kind, and the gyno is related to prolactin increase, get some cabergoline/dostinex and take it with the Letro..be warned though. Letro can get nasty if used at too high of a dosage. Start low and work up.
    it was tren xtreme by ACL. I started letro at .5mg yesterday, should I continue .5mg or how do I dose up? How long until I should start seeing results?
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    Originally Posted by bigjoom_1980 View Post
    it was tren xtreme by ACL. I started letro at .5mg yesterday, should I continue .5mg or how do I dose up? How long until I should start seeing results?
    It's doubtful letro will do anything, if you do have gyno, which I feel you do not.
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    Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    It's doubtful letro will do anything, if you do have gyno, which I feel you do not.
    I appreciate your input man, I really do. curious though, why do you doubt letro? I've seen posts and threads saying it has helped and even reversed gyno in some cases. and why do you doubt I have gyno? when I feel behind my left nipple it feels like there is a little "lump" there and is sensitive to touch.
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    Originally Posted by bigjoom_1980 View Post
    I appreciate your input man, I really do. curious though, why do you doubt letro? I've seen posts and threads saying it has helped and even reversed gyno in some cases. and why do you doubt I have gyno? when I feel behind my left nipple it feels like there is a little "lump" there and is sensitive to touch.
    About 99% of the gyno claim on here are generated from the OP's mind. About gyno, it's a growth of breast tissue, an aromatase inhibitor will not work. A SERM like tamox or torem may help, but the only surefire way to get rid of it is through surgery.
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    Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    About 99% of the gyno claim on here are generated from the OP's mind. ...
    Agreed, especially when you're talking PH versus AAS. So annoying the confusion when people name their PH after real AAS. Man how we used to rip on manufacturers for naming their PH products after the real gear.
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    go talk to your doctor too...don't be bashful...if he judges\refuses you for taking OTC supplements that you felt you wanted to then he is a ****ty doctor and not being objective in his treatment of his patients.

    and even if he says you shouldn't be taking xyz tell him ok thanks for your professional opinion now what do I do about this problem

    you are paying to see him not vice versa
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    I'm just confused and don't know what to think because I never felt my nipples before this and I don't know if there is supposed to be anything behind the nipple in the first place if I were to feel it even in someone who 100% has no gyno, or if whatever this I feel isn't supposed to be there. Ah I wish I could get this cleared up myself without having to see a doctor!

    when I raise my left hand up and feel under my left nipple if there was gyno appearing would I be able to feel a lump clearly? because when I raise my left hand up, the lump I feel when my arm is down appears to not be there.
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    honestly if its from the tren then its probably a prolactin issue wich letro will do wonders for. you can even use it topically. sounds wierd but it works. letro will kill your sex drive if ingested but if you use it topically i dont think it will affect you
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    Either way, I doubt you have real gyno. There is a bid difference between sore puffy nipples and actual tissue development. I feel like the answer is pretty clear cut and your body is telling you what you need to do. Just stop the PH, get on pct and hit the letro at a low dose for good measure.
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    if u use it, definatly at a low dose.
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    thanks guys. I decided to drop the 11oxo as I don't want anything to progress. for my PCT I have 6oxo I will start taking today. as for the letro, I was thinking of dosing it .5mg-1mg, but on my dropper there aren't any markings for the mgs so I'm making an estimated guess, if the dropper is 2.5mg/ml I'm gonna fill the dropper up about a third of the way. anybody have input?

    once again, thanks to all. I have 3 bottles of 11oxo I will save for future use as I will purchase 1 more and run my originally planned 6 pills a day for 40 days in the future. kinda bummed because I was noticing some changes!
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    Originally Posted by bigjoom_1980 View Post
    thanks guys. I decided to drop the 11oxo as I don't want anything to progress. for my PCT I have 6oxo I will start taking today. as for the letro, I was thinking of dosing it .5mg-1mg, but on my dropper there aren't any markings for the mgs so I'm making an estimated guess, if the dropper is 2.5mg/ml I'm gonna fill the dropper up about a third of the way. anybody have input?

    once again, thanks to all. I have 3 bottles of 11oxo I will save for future use as I will purchase 1 more and run my originally planned 6 pills a day for 40 days in the future. kinda bummed because I was noticing some changes!
    you shouldnt be guessing with a product like letro. it would be great to have an exact number so if you cant i would use it topically or wait and see if you really have gyno so you dont waste the letro or hurt your sex drive
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