PH first time user!!

[larrinho]

I would like to try my hands on PHs, I'm 20 yrs old (6 months from 21) and I'm stuck on my weight and actually going down since I've just started strong conditioning routines. I also got a weight gainer, but i thought maybe a PH product may help me gain weight, put muscle and keep up with conditioning.

So i wanna know if you guys can recommend a good Ph product!

[Smeg954]

If you are doing a lot of conditioning routines then I would stay away from them until you can put all your effort into muscle building routines.

They are not miracle supps, and you shouldn't expect to put on 10lbs of lean muscle in only 4-6 weeks.

With conditioning exercises you will need to eat 1.5x what you are eating now to maintain the muscle you have. A PH is not going to help you do that!

Do your research and learn more about them before you jump into anything.

I am not trying to talk you out of it, but I think you should just wait until you can truly devote yourself to doing it.

[EVO-PT]

Originally Posted by larrinho

I would like to try my hands on PHs, I'm 20 yrs old (6 months from 21) and I'm stuck on my weight and actually going down since I've just started strong conditioning routines. I also got a weight gainer, but i thought maybe a PH product may help me gain weight, put muscle and keep up with conditioning.

So i wanna know if you guys can recommend a good Ph product!

Coould you plz tell me what a "strong conditioning" training plan looks like lol.

[MAXMUSCLE86]

Start light. 11-oxo or 3 -ad.

[larrinho]

Originally Posted by Smeg954

If you are doing a lot of conditioning routines then I would stay away from them until you can put all your effort into muscle building routines.

They are not miracle supps, and you shouldn't expect to put on 10lbs of lean muscle in only 4-6 weeks.

With conditioning exercises you will need to eat 1.5x what you are eating now to maintain the muscle you have. A PH is not going to help you do that!

Do your research and learn more about them before you jump into anything.

I am not trying to talk you out of it, but I think you should just wait until you can truly devote yourself to doing it.

I didn't say i expected to put on 10lbs of muscle in 4-6 weeks man, no need for the lecture and yeah i increased my caloric intake for quite a bit, i seriously don't have time to count them as of now, because I'm always active and i considered this thread a part of my research...since its always good to find out what people that have used them think about them...

Also i don't know what you mean by "truly devote yourself to doing it" so please explain yoursel

[bbh90]

Originally Posted by larrinho

I would like to try my hands on PHs, I'm 20 yrs old (6 months from 21) and I'm stuck on my weight and actually going down since I've just started strong conditioning routines. I also got a weight gainer, but i thought maybe a PH product may help me gain weight, put muscle and keep up with conditioning.

So i wanna know if you guys can recommend a good Ph product!

your 5 foot 7 155 if you cant put on muscle your doing something wrong you have a ways to go naturally

have you tried upping your cals?

also you say you can put on weight? well why are you doing a "strong conditioning routine" if you are having so much trouble putting weight on?

[EVO-PT]

Cycle - H-drol (Light PH, good for 1st timers - heard people having very good gains from it though)

PCT: Post cycle support + Revoristol, ZMA, ZINC

- Cycle support all through cylce and 1 week into PCT.

[bbh90]

Originally Posted by EVO-PT

Cycle - H-drol (Light PH, good for 1st timers - heard people having very good gains from it though)

PCT: Post cycle support + Revoristol, ZMA, ZINC

- Cycle support all through cylce and 1 week into PCT.

why would you take ZMA and zinc?

[larrinho]

Originally Posted by EVO-PT

Coould you plz tell me what a "strong conditioning" training plan looks like lol.

Well right now I'm training with a soccer team in the morning for two hours, you know they make us run, do drills with cones, sprints, drills with the ball...all part of soccer conditioning!

Now this is something I'm just starting for a few weeks....It's sort of a self-trained MMA program....

i do 3 five minute rounds of 5 different exercises,
jump rope, heavy bag drills (punches, knees, kicks), also i would run holding medicine balls, i do drills that i don't know their names but are very effective too, mostly do high heart rate activity for 5 straight minutes i hope you know what i mean

Oh and for my weight training routine I've now changed it and do supersets like this
monday/thursday: Arms
Tuesday/Friday: back and shoulders
Wensday: Chest
Saturday Legs

[EVO-PT]

A little bit extra support - i know it wouldn't do a huge amount, but good to stack with a PCT.

[bbh90]

Originally Posted by EVO-PT

A little bit extra support - i know it wouldn't do a huge amount, but good to stack with a PCT.

i just ment cuz ZMA already has zinc in it why get both?

you could take out the zinc

plus to much zinc can be hard on the prostate

[larrinho]

Originally Posted by bbh90

your 5 foot 7 155 if you cant put on muscle your doing something wrong you have a ways to go naturally

have you tried upping your cals?

also you say you can put on weight? well why are you doing a "strong conditioning routine" if you are having so much trouble putting weight on?

because my goal is not to become a bodybuilder, I want to put muscle but have very good conditioning you know, a cardio machine!! And yeah i'm slowly upping my cals, its just that i can't seem to eat as much as i did when i only focused on BB

[EVO-PT]

Originally Posted by larrinho

Well right now I'm training with a soccer team in the morning for two hours, you know they make us run, do drills with cones, sprints, drills with the ball...all part of soccer conditioning!

Now this is something I'm just starting for a few weeks....It's sort of a self-trained MMA program....

i do 3 five minute rounds of 5 different exercises,
jump rope, heavy bag drills (punches, knees, kicks), also i would run holding medicine balls, i do drills that i don't know their names but are very effective too, mostly do high heart rate activity for 5 straight minutes i hope you know what i mean

Oh and for my weight training routine I've now changed it and do supersets like this
monday/thursday: Arms
Tuesday/Friday: back and shoulders
Wensday: Chest
Saturday Legs

No wonder your not gaining weight - sounds like your over-training yourself!

Mon: Chest/tris

Tues: Back/bis

wed: off

Thurs: legs

Fri: shoulders/traps

Rep/set range 2 x 4-8.

Up cals seeing as though you doing ALOT of cardio based work.

[EVO-PT]

Originally Posted by bbh90

i just ment cuz ZMA already has zinc in it why get both?

you could take out the zinc

plus to much zinc can be hard on the prostate

Soz mate i ment zinc or zma should of done a little "/" lol

[larrinho]

Originally Posted by MAXMUSCLE86

Start light. 11-oxo or 3 -ad.

This is what i hate not being in Bodybuilding.com forums for while....I've forgotten a lot of terms like that....I hope you can refresh my memory!

[EVO-PT]

11-oxo and 3-ad are 2 light ph's

[bbh90]

Originally Posted by EVO-PT

Soz mate i ment zinc or zma should of done a little "/" lol

ya no biggy

you have a pretty good lay out for the cycle though

[bbh90]

Originally Posted by larrinho

because my goal is not to become a bodybuilder, I want to put muscle but have very good conditioning you know, a cardio machine!! And yeah i'm slowly upping my cals, its just that i can't seem to eat as much as i did when i only focused on BB

start eating higher calorie foods
if you cant eat as much throughout the day make sure the meals you are eating count

a PH is not what you need at this time you can make a lot of progress naturally just up your cals your gonna have to sacrifice nice abs for a while to gain weight

[theone787]

Originally Posted by larrinho

because my goal is not to become a bodybuilder, I want to put muscle but have very good conditioning you know, a cardio machine!! And yeah i'm slowly upping my cals, its just that i can't seem to eat as much as i did when i only focused on BB

no offense dude but it doesn't really sound like you have a real grasp on what your training and diet is and should be, let alone ph's. you should just stick to upping the calories by alot more and devise a serious weight training routine. try whey protein, creatine mono, and stuff like that first. most ph's are pretty serious and if you don't know what you're doing, you could really mess yourself up. (no lecture)

[larrinho]

Originally Posted by EVO-PT

No wonder your not gaining weight - sounds like your over-training yourself!

Mon: Chest/tris

Tues: Back/bis

wed: off

Thurs: legs

Fri: shoulders/traps

Rep/set range 2 x 4-8.

Up cals seeing as though you doing ALOT of cardio based work.

I really don't mind the work plus I think my body has gotten used to the "one-body-part-per-week" routine.....plus i do only supersets now and that helps the conditioning in my muscles....the reason why I'm obsesses with conditioning is because I'm fight traning which is different from what most ppl here in BB.com do!

I up my cals slowly but in the last 2 weeks i've dropped a couple of pounds, I look ripped though, which is not my concern anyway! Lbs are, I wanna get to 165 withouth having to sacrifice 4 months of conditioning training!

[theone787]

Originally Posted by larrinho

I really don't mind the work plus I think my body has gotten used to the "one-body-part-per-week" routine.....plus i do only supersets now and that helps the conditioning in my muscles....the reason why I'm obsesses with conditioning is because I'm fight traning which is different from what most ppl here in BB.com do!

I up my cals slowly but in the last 2 weeks i've dropped a couple of pounds, I look ripped though, which is not my concern anyway! Lbs are, I wanna get to 165 withouth having to sacrifice 4 months of conditioning training!

and by the way, if you're in an mma league of some sort, i guarantee they drug test. and if you're taking ph's, say bye bye to that

[larrinho]

Originally Posted by theone787

no offense dude but it doesn't really sound like you have a real grasp on what your training and diet is and should be, let alone ph's. you should just stick to upping the calories by alot more and devise a serious weight training routine. try whey protein, creatine mono, and stuff like that first. most ph's are pretty serious and if you don't know what you're doing, you could really mess yourself up. (no lecture)

Bro, I'm not new to BB I've been lifting serious for more than 2 years (emphasis on serious, i used to count calories/protein/carbs/fat) I use whey isolate, casein, creatine, NO, a multi vitamin, I used to use T-bomb from MHP, but with time it stopped doing anything....Trust me I've grown a lot since I started doing this, but I think I've come to a point where putting lbs of muscle is harder! That's why I was thinking of adding JW or H-drol to my stack you know

[larrinho]

Originally Posted by theone787

and by the way, if you're in an mma league of some sort, i guarantee they drug test. and if you're taking ph's, say bye bye to that

Exactly, I wanna put the lbs before I actually start booking fights, I wanna fight at 155 but most people that fight at 155 cut from around 170 to 155 just for the weigh ins you know....I don't wanna be 15 lbs lighter than the person I'm fighting, because I'm not experienced in fighting and size would be a factor!

[crazymofo01]

i would say its a toss up between 3-ad or h-drol. 3-ad if you want to bulk up a bit, and h-drol if you want to stay on the leaner side.

[bbh90]

Originally Posted by larrinho

I really don't mind the work plus I think my body has gotten used to the "one-body-part-per-week" routine.....plus i do only supersets now and that helps the conditioning in my muscles....the reason why I'm obsesses with conditioning is because I'm fight traning which is different from what most ppl here in BB.com do!

I up my cals slowly but in the last 2 weeks i've dropped a couple of pounds, I look ripped though, which is not my concern anyway! Lbs are, I wanna get to 165 withouth having to sacrifice 4 months of conditioning training!

eat half a large jar of peanutbutter a day along with your other foods and see where that gets you

as much as you would like to say your upping cals and everything the bottom line is if you are losing weight then your not getting enough cals

read theone787's first post that is the best advice so far

[theone787]

Originally Posted by larrinho

Bro, I'm not new to BB I've been lifting serious for more than 2 years (emphasis on serious, i used to count calories/protein/carbs/fat) I use whey isolate, casein, creatine, NO, a multi vitamin, I used to use T-bomb from MHP, but with time it stopped doing anything....Trust me I've grown a lot since I started doing this, but I think I've come to a point where putting lbs of muscle is harder! That's why I was thinking of adding JW or H-drol to my stack you know

so what are you plans for pct and cycle support?

[theone787]

Originally Posted by bbh90

eat half a large jar of peanutbutter a day along with your other foods and see where that gets you

as much as you would like to say your upping cals and everything the bottom line is if you are losing weight then your not getting enough cals

read theone787's first post that is the best advice so far

i knew i wasn't going crazy lol... i just think at 5'7" 155, ph's should be that last thing on anyone's mind..myself included

[Smeg954]

Originally Posted by larrinho

I didn't say i expected to put on 10lbs of muscle in 4-6 weeks man, no need for the lecture and yeah i increased my caloric intake for quite a bit, i seriously don't have time to count them as of now, because I'm always active and i considered this thread a part of my research...since its always good to find out what people that have used them think about them...

Also i don't know what you mean by "truly devote yourself to doing it" so please explain yoursel

I don't want to sound rude, but when you post that you are a first time PH user and need help with a PH, it usually means you have done little to no research.

Most first timers think PH's are also miracle drugs that make you put on muscle the same way anabolics do.

I mean truly devote yourself by trying to put on muscle mass, and doing heavy conditioning work is not very effective in putting on good lean mass. So I meant that you should not use a PH until you stop with the hardcore conditioning!

If I was to recommend one for you, since that seems to be what you want, then I would recommend a low dose Bold cycle for 6 weeks.

[larrinho]

Originally Posted by bbh90

eat half a large jar of peanutbutter a day along with your other foods and see where that gets you

as much as you would like to say your upping cals and everything the bottom line is if you are losing weight then your not getting enough cals

read theone787's first post that is the best advice so far

yeah the peanut butter is a good idea, since its easy to eat and has a lot of cals, and i know the reason of my losing weight is that my intake isn't enough, also i have a extremely high metabolism, I sweat and urinate a hell lot that makes it more difficult!

[BrianJJ]

what are PH good for?