Panic Attacks while on AAS

[KarateChris]

Hey family, I need your opinion on something. Tuesday night I had my first full blown panic attack. I was watching tv when all of a sudden, the blood left my head, I got light headed, dizzy, and my heart started pounding. I then became nauseous and threw up. I took my BP and HR during the episode (BP = 130/80 and HR = 88 bpm). I knew they weren't danger zones, so I would probably be okay. I had a friend come over after I puked and because panic attack is a diagnosis of exclusion and it was my first real one I decided to head to the ER. They did blood tests and EKG and everything was normal (BP at the ER was 117/68).

I say this was my first one because multiple nights for the past 2 weeks (since the night before my last micro exam) I had been experiencing weird light headed sensations and increased heart rate while trying to fall asleep. It almost feels like when you think you're falling and your body tries to wake you up and you get that sudden increased HR (Hypnic Jerks).

Now, I started my cycle this past Monday (Test/EQ/dbol), so obviously, that's not the cause. The doc I saw seems to think it may be my preworkout stims doing it (I've taken caffeine or ephedrine before every workout probably for the last 2 years) plus the stress and lack of good sleep from medical school. I have stopped all pre workout stims and I didn't take any AAS yesterday (also skipped the gym to catch up on sleep and rest).

Here's the question: how likely do you think it is that I will have another panic attack while on this cycle since EQ has been shown to contribute to anxiety attacks? Should I just hold off on the cycle until maybe Monday? Do you think maybe because I was taking the dbol + the stims that it could have exasperated the symptoms of my anxiety? Thanks everyone.

[bubba289]

FWIW tren gave me way worse anxiety than EQ did. and i have anxiety issues without anything in me. never had a panic attack that made me throw up though, thats harsh! when i get them i feel my "fight or flight" mechanism kick in.

[newb1981]

Originally Posted by KarateChris

Hey family, I need your opinion on something. Tuesday night I had my first full blown panic attack. I was watching tv when all of a sudden, the blood left my head, I got light headed, dizzy, and my heart started pounding. I then became nauseous and threw up. I took my BP and HR during the episode (BP = 130/80 and HR = 88 bpm). I knew they weren't danger zones, so I would probably be okay. I had a friend come over after I puked and because panic attack is a diagnosis of exclusion and it was my first real one I decided to head to the ER. They did blood tests and EKG and everything was normal (BP at the ER was 117/68).

I say this was my first one because multiple nights for the past 2 weeks (since the night before my last micro exam) I had been experiencing weird light headed sensations and increased heart rate while trying to fall asleep. It almost feels like when you think you're falling and your body tries to wake you up and you get that sudden increased HR (Hypnic Jerks).

Now, I started my cycle this past Monday (Test/EQ/dbol), so obviously, that's not the cause. The doc I saw seems to think it may be my preworkout stims doing it (I've taken caffeine or ephedrine before every workout probably for the last 2 years) plus the stress and lack of good sleep from medical school. I have stopped all pre workout stims and I didn't take any AAS yesterday (also skipped the gym to catch up on sleep and rest).

Here's the question: how likely do you think it is that I will have another panic attack while on this cycle since EQ has been shown to contribute to anxiety attacks? Should I just hold off on the cycle until maybe Monday? Do you think maybe because I was taking the dbol + the stims that it could have exasperated the symptoms of my anxiety? Thanks everyone.

I am not a doctor, nor even a medical student like you, so take my advice how you will.
But I think that in a situation like this, extreme caution is the best approach.
You had some very serious symptoms, and had to go to the emergency room.
You need to figure out what caused this.
I would say, first go to a specialist, maybe a neurologist and/or an endocrinologist.
Rule out the possible physical causes, because you never know if you might have a serious underlying physical illness.
If it is not some serious condition, and it is not caused by the juice or the stims, then maybe it is stress related.
You would then need to see a pyschiatrist, and make some changes in your life to get back to normal.
Hope you get better, sounds like it must have been a miserable experience, the fact that you had weird symptoms before bed for 2 weeks prior to the attack worries me.
Good luck bro.

[Drumkid20]

Originally Posted by bubba289

FWIW tren gave me way worse anxiety than EQ did. and i have anxiety issues without anything in me. never had a panic attack that made me throw up though, thats harsh! when i get them i feel my "fight or flight" mechanism kick in.

This is wierd my tren is definately kicking in and I feel great. tren e 400mg/wk test e 500mg/wk..


I have a sorta related question....can tren E act any differently than tren A? You know I'm not that stupid...I know its the same molecule, but I read some stuff over at Meso that talked about the body tolerating tren E much better because of much more stable blood levels, there was even something about kidneys having less stress because the turn over rate isn't so high (i.e. your not totall excreting half of 50 or 75mg ~every other day because of longer halflive and the kidneys can handle to load easier)...I'll try to find the thread.

...Acetate is sorta roller coaster blood level wise when pinned eod, in a way even when pinned ED...Could it be the stable blood levels that people tolerate enanthate much better and dont get as many sides (mood, anger, anxiety etc...) at least from what I've read lately - I take what i gloss over on other boards - even this one - as not set in stone at ALL but suggestions at least until i find medical literature or first hand experience...it helps when i know the person a bit, like alot of people on this board, but still i never take stuff i hear once on a board super seriously...

Any thoughts?

[Drumkid20]

Chris,

Not really related but I'm definately getting more "hypnic jerks" the last week on tren i think it's starting to kick in 2 weeks in...I never knew they were called that.

Jeesh, the things you learn as a medical student! Maybe I should have gone the route....I might still do pharmacy...lol

Any bad effects from those? What exactly do they mean? It's not a big increase but I had it like twice for 2 nights in the last couple days, where it like totally wakes you up when your on the verge of sleeping. I noticed because usually I am a head-to-pillow-to-coma sleeper, lol.

[BigJayNJ]

Tren is the worst for me. Period. I got horrible anxiety, depression, all sorts of nasty stuff from it. Not fun.

EQ I just get anxiety over 600mg per week.

Not much i can do but deal with it really.

[Clive Jones]

i had slight hat u had but not so extreme with puking..etc it was 2 days AFTER i came off a few weeks of ephedra and caffeine...etc

id stay away from those, as it seems to be culprit, if u have cycled before and been ok, i cant see why this time they would cause an attack, being ur first one too suddenly

[kustej]

/\ yeah, the only time i've had anxiety issues is from dexedrine, caffeine, etc. I'm inclined to think it's your pre-work sups, not the gear itself

[elykdogg]

deca gave me serious anxiety, ended up in the er once due to a deca induced panic attack

i keep valiums around now just for piece of mind

[KarateChris]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

I do have a strong family history that until yesterday I was unaware of for panic attacks. My godfather actually passed out one time for them. Being a med student is very stressful and so is bodybuilding. Going to the ER and getting the blood work and EKG ruled out some of the other major causes plus my strong family history leads me to believe it was definitely a panic attack.

I'm NOT saying the gear caused the panic attack. I had only taken ONE shot and been on the dbol for two days (only 30mg ed). I have taken gear before without these symptoms; HOWEVER, this is the first time I've been on gear while in medical school. And anyone going through these stresses will tell you it's a completely different world from college.

I do believe the combination of preworkout stims + dbol may have aggrevated my anxiety that I was getting into a full blown panic attack. I'm stopping all caffeine and I'm going to lower my dbol doseage for a few days and NEVER take it after 5 pm (I took 10mg at around 8pm the night I had the panic attack).

EDIT: Hypnic jerks don't mean anything clinically significant. There are many theories as to why they happen, but a definitive answer isn't for sure. They happen to most people. Also, I've run Tren with no problems... kinda ironic if it would be the gear triggering these episodes, but it's probably not. I just need to stay away from caffeine.

[Drumkid20]

Dude....I sorta had the same thing as you I guess now that you mention it, just no panic attacks...

It was last year (going to school for an extra year - bachelors taking 4 credits both semesters - already got a job)...I was taking all my GRE's and writing my capstone for chemistry and biochemistry. I felt like ****. Worse than **** worst time of my life hands down. Like I'd wake up before my alarms in the morning and grab my chest thinking I'd forgotten to go to class or missed my biochemistry ACS GRE. I was getting 4-5 hours of sleep each night, under HUGE stress couldnt eat properly sometimes even like couldnt feel like I could keep food down, and CONSTANT headaches and extreme joint pain everywhere.

I would say its DEFINATELY stress and gear. You seem to be a year so older than me, so I know you remember this too, but I was a chemistry MAJOR not a minor like most pre-med programs aim you at AND i had cell bio and horrible stuff like that molec, etc...I had PChem last semester, ran test prop and superdrol and it was just terrible.

I think you really need to think about how important it is for you to body build through med school...at least right now, if your like still adjusting to school and stuff, and is it possible that you could go to med school for an extra year (i know money...) but it REALLY frees you up schedule wise. I sorta was forced into the 5 year plan with my bachelors because of my job (always at least 35 hours a week since soph year - GOOD cash..but you get the point).

Are you planning on specializing after med school? Cause that might mean more time...I would really suggest trying to go an extra year at med school I Know it seems NUTS but you cant lift and be on gear (really I dont think you can be HEALTHY with or wihtout gear in high stress school situations where you study till 3am constantly and get up at 7 and have ****ty ****ty caf food for 50% of your diet etc....).

Take a week off bodybuilding...or try maybe, thats what really helped me last year I was able to get more sleep, ate dirty, and got more work done for school, really de-stressed me (which was still way more stress than the average person is under normally...lol I feel your pain), helped me go back into bodybuilding and sorta get rest for a week and catch up - you cant juggle forever, well you can, but it's an extremely delicate balance ONE thing can break the gates of hell wide open, a big paper, a missed assignment, a missed class or day of studying etc...even mentally, a bad test grade like a C on something you studied you balls off for or, you get my point.

Get 12 hours of sleep like now, otherwise thingsll just get worse and dont worry about bodybuilding for 5 days, just keep doing bits of cardio to stay in idle, it'll help ALOT.

[Drumkid20]

Let me know what your doing, I was really in the exact same situation last year now that I'm thinking about it...I just don't have a family history of any anxiety or panic attacks, just prostate cancer on my moms side ...

There comes a point though where you are going to know temporarily its one of two things: school, or lifting and life, you gotta just do school sometimes for stints. I know now after last year I'm NOT superman and the more 'straight arrow' you seem the harder you can fall man, lol. I owe like at least 5% bodyfat to last semester last year...Seems you grow faster FATTER wise on gear too...lol

[WRX20PSI]

I got some kind of panics attacks on dbol, usually 30-60 min after taking the pill.

I'd say drop the dbol for a few days, like a week or so

[KarateChris]

Originally Posted by Drumkid20

Dude....I sorta had the same thing as you I guess now that you mention it, just no panic attacks...

It was last year (going to school for an extra year - bachelors taking 4 credits both semesters - already got a job)...I was taking all my GRE's and writing my capstone for chemistry and biochemistry. I felt like ****. Worse than **** worst time of my life hands down. Like I'd wake up before my alarms in the morning and grab my chest thinking I'd forgotten to go to class or missed my biochemistry ACS GRE. I was getting 4-5 hours of sleep each night, under HUGE stress couldnt eat properly sometimes even like couldnt feel like I could keep food down, and CONSTANT headaches and extreme joint pain everywhere.

I would say its DEFINATELY stress and gear. You seem to be a year so older than me, so I know you remember this too, but I was a chemistry MAJOR not a minor like most pre-med programs aim you at AND i had cell bio and horrible stuff like that molec, etc...I had PChem last semester, ran test prop and superdrol and it was just terrible.

I think you really need to think about how important it is for you to body build through med school...at least right now, if your like still adjusting to school and stuff, and is it possible that you could go to med school for an extra year (i know money...) but it REALLY frees you up schedule wise. I sorta was forced into the 5 year plan with my bachelors because of my job (always at least 35 hours a week since soph year - GOOD cash..but you get the point).

Are you planning on specializing after med school? Cause that might mean more time...I would really suggest trying to go an extra year at med school I Know it seems NUTS but you cant lift and be on gear (really I dont think you can be HEALTHY with or wihtout gear in high stress school situations where you study till 3am constantly and get up at 7 and have ****ty ****ty caf food for 50% of your diet etc....).

Take a week off bodybuilding...or try maybe, thats what really helped me last year I was able to get more sleep, ate dirty, and got more work done for school, really de-stressed me (which was still way more stress than the average person is under normally...lol I feel your pain), helped me go back into bodybuilding and sorta get rest for a week and catch up - you cant juggle forever, well you can, but it's an extremely delicate balance ONE thing can break the gates of hell wide open, a big paper, a missed assignment, a missed class or day of studying etc...even mentally, a bad test grade like a C on something you studied you balls off for or, you get my point.

Get 12 hours of sleep like now, otherwise thingsll just get worse and dont worry about bodybuilding for 5 days, just keep doing bits of cardio to stay in idle, it'll help ALOT.

Taking a year off of medical school is definitely out of the question. EVERYONE in my class is stressed, but the difference between me and the majority is up until now, I haven't medicated myself for it. Also, taking a week off the gym would IMO be counterproductive because the gym helps me destress (although it CAN be stressful to the body).

I need to get my stress under control before I continue with the cycle; that is evident. I'm going to stop the cycle now since I've only done 1 shot and two days worth of dbol, that's basically nothing in the whole scheme of my 14 week cycle I had planned. I'm going to take it easier in the gym for the rest of this week and don't worry about hitting PR's. I have a standardized patient test on Monday where I will be filmed and graded performing an ENT physical exam. I NEED to make sure this is under control by then. If I hault all stims and hault the gear, I should be good to go. I can't lax up to much on the studying, but I have been taking it easy the past couple days since our test we had this past Monday.

Number one importance is my health. Number two is school. I'll try balancing the both of them with gear/stims out of the picture for now. Thanks everyone for your input.

EDIT: This should go without question but just to be 100% with others opinions, such a small amount of gear shouldn't require any type of PCT right?

[REID 251]

Fortunately I think you can relax a bit knowing that your tests at the ER came up negative for anything. I had the same occurence at the end of last year. Pretty much exact same situation and variables. Strange how they can hit you all of the sudden in an unstressful situation such as watching tv huh? Anyways, here is something I have found to help a great deal. You have now experienced it and know the signs and symptoms. I assume you could feel yours building up like most people do since you described light headedness, etc.? More than likely it will happen again. Especially considering your med school duties. Try your best to recognize what is happening. You will know what it is next time it happens, so tell yourself to relax, take dep breaths and literally say "CALM THE F**K DOWN". This may sound stupid as its more of a theoretical approach as opose to a clinical one but it works. So basically recognize what is happening, know that its not your heart failing, and tell yourself everything is cool. Over time you will be able to recognize it so well that your full blown anxiety attacks will be reduced to a mere one or two rapid heart beats or a brief moment of anxiety. This has worked very well for me. Unless they are so occurent that they happen several times a week. I really think most people can avoid having to take antianxiety medications. Good luck man

[stanzione1017]

panic attacks are self induced.. for instince... when i was back in the boyscouts i had them because id find a spider in my tent while sleeping... so maybe since youve had this lightheaded thing on your mind you just got so nervouse that you made yourself have one... otherwise i guess the doc would be correct with pre-workout supps... hope you get better bro

[Drumkid20]

I totally know what you mean with destressing, but I found out theres definately a point of difference..I could destress by getting a lil bit of a pump in my arms and doing 20 mins of cardio, big difference between giant sets for triceps and 365 pound deadlifts for a few sets or super heavy squatting....know what I mean, don't stop by any means, but it might be a good idea to just lower intensity temporarily maybe...going nuts in teh gym combined wiht so litttle sleep was what did me in, once I took a week off, aka did light workouts just to decompress and sorta maintain, I found I was starting to do much better.

Not take a year off but can you go an extra year in med school? I don't know how it works really...I'm sure theres 5 year stipulations for loans too...so yeah maybe bad idea, but my 5 year plan for my bachelors really is AWESOME. I'd do it again no problem. I was just about killing myself through sophomore year before I decided to go an extra year and just take 12 credits a semester!

Theres a big difference between 12 credits of business classes, and 12 credits of science (especially upper level chem where PChem and Biochem labs require a minimum of 10 hours a week and work on multiple days cause you have to let stuff cook or dry or whatever).

Sounds like you got your priorities straight though and its probably the best idea (maybe a tough decision though, lol) to cut the cycle off just until your positive its nothing serious tests CAN miss stuff...Hopefully everything really does subside, I'm sure it will though.

[Blahzay128]

Originally Posted by KarateChris

Taking a year off of medical school is definitely out of the question. EVERYONE in my class is stressed, but the difference between me and the majority is up until now, I haven't medicated myself for it. Also, taking a week off the gym would IMO be counterproductive because the gym helps me destress (although it CAN be stressful to the body).

I need to get my stress under control before I continue with the cycle; that is evident. I'm going to stop the cycle now since I've only done 1 shot and two days worth of dbol, that's basically nothing in the whole scheme of my 14 week cycle I had planned. I'm going to take it easier in the gym for the rest of this week and don't worry about hitting PR's. I have a standardized patient test on Monday where I will be filmed and graded performing an ENT physical exam. I NEED to make sure this is under control by then. If I hault all stims and hault the gear, I should be good to go. I can't lax up to much on the studying, but I have been taking it easy the past couple days since our test we had this past Monday.

Number one importance is my health. Number two is school. I'll try balancing the both of them with gear/stims out of the picture for now. Thanks everyone for your input.

EDIT: This should go without question but just to be 100% with others opinions, such a small amount of gear shouldn't require any type of PCT right?

I think your doing the right thing stopping the cycle. Take a step back and look at the situation....you are obviously a bright individual, you are in med school, and eventually your going to be a doctor....Doing steroids and risking any type of negative effects (no matter how minor the chance may be) is simply not worth it. You have way too much going for you. In my opinion, the juice definitely had something to do with your panic attack. I've realized that often times we never realize the effects something can have on us until something negative has happened....then we open our eyes.....I'm not condemning you....so I hope I'm not coming across that way.....I've dealt with panic attacks for a long time...and they can truly be debilitating to a persons life/career.....I know this from experience.

[Blahzay128]

Originally Posted by stanzione1017

panic attacks are self induced.. for instince... when i was back in the boyscouts i had them because id find a spider in my tent while sleeping... so maybe since youve had this lightheaded thing on your mind you just got so nervouse that you made yourself have one... otherwise i guess the doc would be correct with pre-workout supps... hope you get better bro

Panic attacks are not self induced.....They are a very real thing....not something that we imagine in our minds.....I will say that sometimes an individual can have a certain symptom or situation that will remind them of a certain panic attack...and THAT can lead to a full on panic attack....so perhaps that is what your referring to.

Originally Posted by REID 251

Fortunately I think you can relax a bit knowing that your tests at the ER came up negative for anything. I had the same occurence at the end of last year. Pretty much exact same situation and variables. Strange how they can hit you all of the sudden in an unstressful situation such as watching tv huh? Anyways, here is something I have found to help a great deal. You have now experienced it and know the signs and symptoms. I assume you could feel yours building up like most people do since you described light headedness, etc.? More than likely it will happen again. Especially considering your med school duties. Try your best to recognize what is happening. You will know what it is next time it happens, so tell yourself to relax, take dep breaths and literally say "CALM THE F**K DOWN". This may sound stupid as its more of a theoretical approach as opose to a clinical one but it works. So basically recognize what is happening, know that its not your heart failing, and tell yourself everything is cool. Over time you will be able to recognize it so well that your full blown anxiety attacks will be reduced to a mere one or two rapid heart beats or a brief moment of anxiety. This has worked very well for me. Unless they are so occurent that they happen several times a week. I really think most people can avoid having to take antianxiety medications. Good luck man

I think this is great advice!!!!! and I think I'll do the self talk thing next time I'm feeling that panic creeping up.

[browndustin]

I don't have much to add aside from the notion that maybe your adrenals are fatigued? I also don't think it's the gear either. And even though you're no newb to stims or hard training, maybe your body has just sort of had it?

When was the last time you had a nice, long lay off from the gym? I get the occasional anxiety attack but used to get them LOTS as a teen. Worst case scenario my mom has lots of anti anxiety meds I can use and she lives 30 seconds down the road... but what I normally do is just breath, meditate and assess the situation as calmly and logically as possible.

I sit there, analyze things and talk myself through it. I ask rhetoric questions like "why do I feel this way?", "why can I not calm down?", "what event or challenge triggered this attack, and why can I not deal with it like any other challenge?"... simple things like that. I spent a lot of time meditating during my senior year of high school and read about the different schools of Buddhism. I took what worked for me and constantly work at understanding my psyche better. I hate to RELY on a drug to fix my problem, but anxiety attacks are an exclusion... sometimes you really just need something that'll immediately make you CHILL THE FUKC OUT so you can work through things.

EQ gave me some bad anxiety and I did have an attack or two while on cycle... but I just calmed down, put on some Aphex Twin (Rhubarb, I listen to this song on repeat) and I really calm down. That particular song is very nostalgic to me because I heard it in high school while tripping on mushrooms. Tripping helped me to explore the depths of consciousness and I completely shed the grasp of depression I had. Anxiety and depression go hand in hand, but you can be free of depression and get the occasional anxiety attack. That nostalgic song combined with meditation is damn near comparable for me as taking some Ativan or Xanax. Anxiety is no laughing matter and it really gets me shaken up. The second it hits, I get an empty feeling in my stomach, my senses become heightened, my feelings become dismal and dark and I almost tremble in fear. Anxiety attacks are NOT fun and I wish you the best of luck in identifying your triggers and learning to cope once an attack strikes.

Just remember, if something happens that is beyond your control there is no need to worry. Whatever it is and however negative it may be, you will either conquer it or endure it. But nevertheless, it will come to pass. And the best thing for you to do in a less than favorable situation is to LEARN from that challenge. Turn the tables and use it as an "unexpected learning opportunity", not a grand fukc up or monumental inconvenience.

This may sound EXTREMELY cliche, but you have the power, man. You are the one in control. So why let go of the reigns? Hold tight, wait until your mind becomes clear again but don't fall off the trolley. Even if you don't know what's happening or where you're going, don't let things get out of hand before you've come to assess the situation. I'm HOPING that it's all mental because when it comes to physical problems, I guess I'm at a loss for words (again, maybe it was adrenal fatigue?)... but you're a smart guy. I wish you the best of luck and have the utmost confidence that you'll identify whatever's going on. Hopefully this happens much sooner than later. Take care, bro.

[HCFirefighter82]

This is one of the reasons I dont know when I'll be able to cycle again. My anxiety kicks in, and I get that fear of basically dying..I dont know why. And for some reason, I've become a hypochondriac, I'd freak out over every little thing. Kinda sucks having to deal with it. I've had bloodwork done, and an ekg..all normal. Just still cant get the bad stuff out of my head. Im fine during the day..its the night time that bothers me for some reason.

[KarateChris]

Originally Posted by HCFirefighter82

This is one of the reasons I dont know when I'll be able to cycle again. My anxiety kicks in, and I get that fear of basically dying..I dont know why. And for some reason, I've become a hypochondriac, I'd freak out over every little thing. Kinda sucks having to deal with it. I've had bloodwork done, and an ekg..all normal. Just still cant get the bad stuff out of my head. Im fine during the day..its the night time that bothers me for some reason.

Yea I feel the same way. It happens at night. I'm feeling more like myself right now. I had an okay leg workout (decided to take it light and not go over 500 lbs on hack squats ). Watching Oregon St. beat the crap out of USC hahaha

Does this happen to off orals also?

[Stanozolol]

i feel like that sometimes when im getting pumped in the gym. i feel that i cant push my extreme hardest because my heart beat is too fast and pounds so hard. it kinda sucks, like i have to hold back a bit

[elykdogg]

Originally Posted by HCFirefighter82

This is one of the reasons I dont know when I'll be able to cycle again. My anxiety kicks in, and I get that fear of basically dying..I dont know why. And for some reason, I've become a hypochondriac, I'd freak out over every little thing. Kinda sucks having to deal with it. I've had bloodwork done, and an ekg..all normal. Just still cant get the bad stuff out of my head. Im fine during the day..its the night time that bothers me for some reason.

same here, couldnt sleep and no matter what i did i couldnt stop thinking i was gonna have a heart attack or die

[KarateChris]

Originally Posted by elykdogg

same here, couldnt sleep and no matter what i did i couldnt stop thinking i was gonna have a heart attack or die

Sounds very familiar. I also had thoughts running through my head that what I was taking wasn't AAS or that it was somehow contaminated or something. And that NPC competitor that just died while at the gym who was 39 only fueled that kind of thinking.

All of these are very unlikely and it's obviously our anxiety getting the better of us. I just have to figure out if it's a particular AAS that's doing it. For instance, dbol has ALWAYS given me sides at a dose higher than 20mg ed, but it's never been these sides. First time I ran dbol w/ test, I ran it at 30 mg and I had lethargy and decreased appetite so much so that I stopped taking them after 5 days. For my second cycle I decided to decrease the dose to 20mg, which ended up being golden for me. This time I decided to try 30 mg. The panic attack happens and I can't rule out the idea that the oral may have had something to do with increasing my anxiety levels.

So after this week is over and I get my mind sorted, I may start the cycle back up but drop the dbol either completely or down to 20mg/ed instead of 30mg/ed. It may not seem like much to ya'll, but for me for whatever reason, it made a world of difference with the sides between my first and second cycle.

Does anyone who have experienced anxiety on cycle been able to NARROW it down to the orals as being the culprit? Or do some of you entertain the idea that maybe it's just the idea of using AAS that's increasing our anxiety?

[manfred99]

Originally Posted by KarateChris

Sounds very familiar. I also had thoughts running through my head that what I was taking wasn't AAS or that it was somehow contaminated or something. And that NPC competitor that just died while at the gym who was 39 only fueled that kind of thinking.

All of these are very unlikely and it's obviously our anxiety getting the better of us. I just have to figure out if it's a particular AAS that's doing it. For instance, dbol has ALWAYS given me sides at a dose higher than 20mg ed, but it's never been these sides. First time I ran dbol w/ test, I ran it at 30 mg and I had lethargy and decreased appetite so much so that I stopped taking them after 5 days. For my second cycle I decided to decrease the dose to 20mg, which ended up being golden for me. This time I decided to try 30 mg. The panic attack happens and I can't rule out the idea that the oral may have had something to do with increasing my anxiety levels.

So after this week is over and I get my mind sorted, I may start the cycle back up but drop the dbol either completely or down to 20mg/ed instead of 30mg/ed. It may not seem like much to ya'll, but for me for whatever reason, it made a world of difference with the sides between my first and second cycle.

Does anyone who have experienced anxiety on cycle been able to NARROW it down to the orals as being the culprit? Or do some of you entertain the idea that maybe it's just the idea of using AAS that's increasing our anxiety?

i say drop the d-bols but stick to the test for the remainder of the cycle.

the d-bol is a large additional load on the body especially the organs (liver), which does carry through to the CNS & can trigger many things especially if your prone to it & stressed. THe test on the other hand, as long as its moderate (not over 500mg/wk, preferebly 400), should help you with dealing with stress & give you a pickup while dealing with a heavy workload. the perfect compromise. higher doses while being more effective for training gains, will be more taxing for the body to process & will compound outside stresses.

but defl'y drop the stims. they would be the main culprits especially to trigger the chain reaction.

[niospecv]

Seems like a lot of this is more mental than anything. Maybe see a therapist/shrink or something. There could be an underlying problem beyond aas.

[HCFirefighter82]

Originally Posted by KarateChris

Yea I feel the same way. It happens at night. I'm feeling more like myself right now. I had an okay leg workout (decided to take it light and not go over 500 lbs on hack squats ). Watching Oregon St. beat the crap out of USC hahaha

Does this happen to off orals also?

only thing oral i have ever ran is clen..cant handle that stuff again lol

Originally Posted by elykdogg

same here, couldnt sleep and no matter what i did i couldnt stop thinking i was gonna have a heart attack or die

holy crap man, exactly the same here. i was scared i was going to have a heart attack for some reason, and if nobody was here..there would be nothing i could do but lay there and basically die. how do we deal with this?

[KarateChris]

Originally Posted by HCFirefighter82

only thing oral i have ever ran is clen..cant handle that stuff again lol



holy crap man, exactly the same here. i was scared i was going to have a heart attack for some reason, and if nobody was here..there would be nothing i could do but lay there and basically die. how do we deal with this?

It does help to know if there's nothing physically wrong (i.e. no heart attack). You have two main courses of treatment: you can talk to a psychiatrist/therapist about what you're going through. Therapy and having a second opinion can sometimes help a lot and just getting your thoughts out there. And the second course would be drugs. You could see your family physician and they can prescribe several different types of drugs such as Beta Blockers, Benzos (probably wouldn't be first prophylaxis b/c of possible addictive nature and sides), or an SSRI like Lexapro.

I would much rather deal with this without the use of drugs, but if it starts getting out of my control, then I'll take or do whatever I need to in order to get a handle on it including taking prescribed treatment.

[DragOn133]

Originally Posted by HCFirefighter82

This is one of the reasons I dont know when I'll be able to cycle again. My anxiety kicks in, and I get that fear of basically dying..I dont know why. And for some reason, I've become a hypochondriac, I'd freak out over every little thing. Kinda sucks having to deal with it. I've had bloodwork done, and an ekg..all normal. Just still cant get the bad stuff out of my head. Im fine during the day..its the night time that bothers me for some reason.

Damn man, glad to see I am not the only one that had this happen..

2 summers ago I had the worst/scariest experience/panic attack of my life.. I was taking ephedrine and massive amounts of fat burners/caffeine/adrenal repairers and so on for a long time (almost year straight prob), no problems what so ever.

Decided after hard work in the gym maybe it was time to try something out, got Anavar. 3 days into it, 3 damn days and I was sitting at work, ate my meal then started drinking a tall glass of water.. All of a sudden it felt as if my body was filling up with the water and I couldn't breath.. BTW every time I took the var 10 minutes later I would have to like lay down for the lightheadedness to kick over..

Some people just cannot handle this stuff, I felt like I was going to have a heart attack every night because of the fear, went to ER, everything was normal except some high liver enzymes..

To this day, I get sometimes recurring anxiety, I can manage it now which is great and I have felt good for the past 2 months.. I fell off a dirtbike during the summer and got a deep wound in my knee, doctor put me on a strong antibiotic and it sent me into a twist which left me with the worst anxiety for over a month, unbelievable

Whenever I research something now I can feel it coming on, then laugh it off and manage it, I can't even have any stimulants anymore that's how sensitive I am, I want to go back to normal.

I will say this though, this past year I had the sickest gains without all of that ****!