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09-25-2008, 07:40 AM #61
Last edited by gumbyonroids; 09-25-2008 at 08:20 AM.
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09-25-2008, 07:41 AM #62
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09-25-2008, 07:43 AM #63
and lets teach all the other creation fairy tales from all the other cultures!
did you know that many native american tribes believed that they came into this world from a hole in the ground or on the back of giant turtles?
tell you what; lets teach ALL the creation myths in a class called mythology 101. that is the only place that creation should be taught!"As sure as the world stands, you jf1 shall spend an eternity in Hell in eternal torment..."
jake24
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09-25-2008, 07:46 AM #64
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09-25-2008, 07:46 AM #65
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09-25-2008, 07:51 AM #66
Thats not how science works big guy! You don't assume things exist just because they have not been proven NOT to exist. If that were the case, anything someone could imagine that isn't falsifiable should be included in science. Im sure you can imagine some of the absurd and highly unlikely things that could be imagined.
If you assert that "X" exists, yet you can not prove it, it is not my responsibilty to prove it doesn't. You must first be able to reasonably demonstrate that it does.
However, if you assert "X" exists, and you can scientifically and reasonably demonstrate that it does, and I still claim it doesn't, then I have a responsibility to prove that it doesn't. For example, if I claimed that elephants do not exist, since it can be observed that they do, it would then be my responsibility to then prove that they don't.
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09-25-2008, 07:51 AM #67
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09-25-2008, 07:51 AM #68
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Creationism in school would be ten seconds long.
God created the universe and everything in it in only 6 days. Any questions? No? Good.
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09-25-2008, 07:52 AM #69
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I think that it depends on the setting. On the native american reservations they do teach their beliefs of creation.
I went to a Private college where they were able to teach both evolution and creationism. People were able to discuss both views. We had many really good lectures from religious professors on creationism and at the same time the science professors taught evolutionism. Basically I think that it should be left up to the person to decide what they want to believe.**Goals are the fuel in the furnace of achievement.**
Brian Tracy, Eat that Frog
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09-25-2008, 07:53 AM #70
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09-25-2008, 07:56 AM #71
i am amazed you took the time and have the patience to explain to a 48year old man a concept that any 6th grader should be familiar with!
this is the 'santa clause concept' and gumby fails at 6th grade level logic!
whats worse is that he claims hes not religious!
figure that one out!Last edited by jackfast1; 09-25-2008 at 08:03 AM.
"As sure as the world stands, you jf1 shall spend an eternity in Hell in eternal torment..."
jake24
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09-25-2008, 07:56 AM #72
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09-25-2008, 07:57 AM #73
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09-25-2008, 07:59 AM #74
You know, that's a good point. We are always learning new things in the realm of science and technology. As we learn old theories and beliefs get discarded in favor of new verified or verifiable ones.
But the creation story is done, finished, finito, fini. What is there to discuss? Except to justify it and proselytize a particular religious belief."Go home, have a beer and smash something. That's what I would do" - Unknown (but probably Thor).
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09-25-2008, 08:02 AM #75
thats fine; if evolution is taught as part of the science curriculum and religion/creationism etc is taught as mythological studies.
any students of mine in any science class who wished to 'choose' creationism over evolution would get a big fat F!
it would be similar to asking 'who leaves the money under your pillow in exchange for a tooth?'
if you are an adult and you choose 'tooth fairy' then you phail at life!Last edited by jackfast1; 09-25-2008 at 08:04 AM.
"As sure as the world stands, you jf1 shall spend an eternity in Hell in eternal torment..."
jake24
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09-25-2008, 08:03 AM #76
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09-25-2008, 08:08 AM #77
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09-25-2008, 08:11 AM #78
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09-25-2008, 08:13 AM #79
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09-25-2008, 08:14 AM #80
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09-25-2008, 08:15 AM #81
i dont think they covered evolution very well at your private (religious?) school?
the big bang theory describes the formation of our universe.
evolution describes the formation of life.
they are completely seperate theories.
sorry, but you still get an F...or maybe your teachers should?!"As sure as the world stands, you jf1 shall spend an eternity in Hell in eternal torment..."
jake24
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09-25-2008, 08:18 AM #82
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Some evolution because things have evolved or adapted to their environment. For example "super-bugs" have evolved from the over use of antibiotics.
But as far as the big bang theory how do you explain how things came about then. Did everything just evolve from one molecule? And where did this one molecule come from?**Goals are the fuel in the furnace of achievement.**
Brian Tracy, Eat that Frog
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09-25-2008, 08:21 AM #83
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09-25-2008, 08:22 AM #84
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09-25-2008, 08:23 AM #85
So then you believe in evolution, again, where are you getting this "some evolution" from?
But as far as the big bang theory how do you explain how things came about then. Did everything just evolve from one molecule? And where did this one molecule come from?
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09-25-2008, 08:24 AM #86
I don't believe it should be taught as fact...since it hasn't been proven as fact.
But I don't see the harm in teaching it in a religion based class, or even school.
So while I wouldn't make it apart of one's core education, I would not remove it from an academic setting.
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09-25-2008, 08:26 AM #87
Um, it doesn't matter if you didnt say using science. Science attempts to distinguish what is reality. You can't not use science. I asked a poster to prove that god exists, and the way they would do that it is by using science. Then you replied asking me if I have proven that a god does NOT exist. This would imply that you are assuming that since its not proven that he doesn't exist, that its reasonable to assume that he does, which is not true at all. If this is not what you were implying then I apologize.
To answer your question though, no, I do not "know" for a fact that some god doesn't exist.
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09-25-2008, 08:27 AM #88
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That's the problem with today's schools. They have taken away all the religion because someone may be offended. They don't even say the pledge of alligence anymore. Because it says "one nation under God". Maybe if schools did teach these things kids would have more morals.
**Goals are the fuel in the furnace of achievement.**
Brian Tracy, Eat that Frog
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09-25-2008, 08:35 AM #89
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09-25-2008, 08:36 AM #90
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