How important Is Nutrient Timing?

[AD1985]

How important is nutrient timing?

[-Aaron-]

It's not important, period.

[Own3r]

I think that the only realy important timings are breakfast and PWO other then that it realy doesn't make such a huge differance. I personally prefer eating every 3 hours, but thats just me.

[longsnapper50]

It's not important, period.

allright, i also agree here. but i do have a question. with the intra workout supplement craze that is out now do you feel the a solid intra workout product (intrabolic ext) will produce greater long term muscle building effects than lets say just having it some other time during the day. diets the same in both situations and the only difference is one is taken intra workout and the other is lets say taken with a random meal.

and i know this is a supplement timing question but the basis of a good intra drink is EAA and WPH and some extras. just wanted your opinion on this subject

[berzerker]

I like to get a good amount of carbs in Pre-WO simply for the energy. Besides that and post WO nutrition, I really don't see it mattering all that much. A lot of people put more emphasis on it's importance than is really needed.

[Bioteknik]

allright, i also agree here. but i do have a question. with the intra workout supplement craze that is out now do you feel the a solid intra workout product (intrabolic ext) will produce greater long term muscle building effects than lets say just having it some other time during the day. diets the same in both situations and the only difference is one is taken intra workout and the other is lets say taken with a random meal.

and i know this is a supplement timing question but the basis of a good intra drink is EAA and WPH and some extras. just wanted your opinion on this subject

well most supplements don't work, so it doesn't matter when you take it.

[djansen]

It's not important, period.

why

[determined4000]

Important in the sense that you eat balanced meals eery few hours. But no need to stack the beginning of the day with carbs abd the end with protein.

[djansen]

I think its very important, why would I not take a majority of my cals at bfast and around workouts? also supps around workouts? obbsesive about it no but its really not that hard.

[-Aaron-]

why

Other than pre-workout nutrition, what is the importance of any other meal when you hit your daily macros?

Since people like to use broscience here, Arnold didn't have a PWO blend, he just ate.

[BlueFenix13S]

Other than pre-workout nutrition, what is the importance of any other meal when you hit your daily macros?

Since people like to use broscience here, Arnold didn't have a PWO blend, he just ate.

And he ate fat with that meal too....

Franco Columbo was usually with him as well, eating steak and potatoes.

Edit: Aaron, I'm still on spread, but reps for you again when I can brother

[-Aaron-]

And he ate fat with that meal too....

Franco Columbo was usually with him as well, eating steak and potatoes.

Edit: Aaron, I'm still on spread, but reps for you again when I can brother

It's all good in the hood brah.

[djansen]

Other than pre-workout nutrition, what is the importance of any other meal when you hit your daily macros?

Since people like to use broscience here, Arnold didn't have a PWO blend, he just ate.

I am not talking about a specific food like whey or simple carbs etc. I mean even the fact that he had a large meal of protein and carbs after a workout I consider nutrient timing.

[-Aaron-]

I am not talking about a specific food like whey or simple carbs etc. I mean even the fact that he had a large meal of protein and carbs after a workout I consider nutrient timing.

Are you going to grow any larger than someone who eats 3 hours pwo and doesn't care about nutrient timing?

If you think this, then you're a fool.

[djansen]

Are you going to grow any larger than someone who eats 3 hours pwo and doesn't care about nutrient timing?

If you think this, then you're a fool.

that was not my point. Thats stupid to say that, there are so many other factors that determine your size vs mine vs his.

I am saying that for an individual to be at their best nutrient timing does make a difference in recovering faster, energy levels, hormones, nutrient partitioning etc.

[gjohnson5]

I'm not as sure as you on this subject

If you look at the insulin + growth hormone injection protocols or "broscience" (whichever you accept) , you see that all of them call for insulin injection during the time when glucose uptake is the highest (first thing in the morning or directly after workout) and a PWO with high GI carbs 15 minutes afterwards. This way the muscles uptake the highest amount of protein and glucose as well as other peptide drugs you may want (hgh ,igf)


So I guess my point is how can we be sure that a high protein/carb meal wont cause increased muscle gain

[biggabriel]

How important is nutrient timing?

Try not to get caught up in the ego fight these guys are having. Nutrient timing is everything if you want to be successful. Anyone can pack on blob mass, but if you want to put on muscle you have to make your hormones work for you. I'm sure you've heard it all before, but insulin is one of the bodies most potent hormones for muscle growth. If you lack insulin sensitivity you will not grow.

Keeping it simple, Lots of carbs with breakfast and around your training sessions. The other meals don't need starchy carbs, they'll just make you fat.

[nickysam]

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[Lion Heart]

I don't think the old you must eat every 2-3 hours is really a must. Though with that said I'd never go four hours without eating something.

[mada071]

to get your gains, i think you need to time it well.

which is why im not gaining so well T_T

[Alienheat4]

Try not to get caught up in the ego fight these guys are having. Nutrient timing is everything if you want to be successful. Anyone can pack on blob mass, but if you want to put on muscle you have to make your hormones work for you. I'm sure you've heard it all before, but insulin is one of the bodies most potent hormones for muscle growth. If you lack insulin sensitivity you will not grow.

Keeping it simple, Lots of carbs with breakfast and around your training sessions. The other meals don't need starchy carbs, they'll just make you fat.

Quoting the broscience Bible?

[rhizome]

I tried the "nothing matters bro", "good with the flow bro", "anything goes bro" approach and it failed miserably for me. Comparing results vs. someone else is assinine. Comparing personal results is all the matters. Now I don't have a shaker ready to be handed to me after my last set, but eating within about 45 minutes made a huge difference. I was literally destroyed after a week of just "eating whenever".

[-Aaron-]

I tried the "nothing matters bro", "good with the flow bro", "anything goes bro" approach and it failed miserably for me. Comparing results vs. someone else is assinine. Comparing personal results is all the matters. Now I don't have a shaker ready to be handed to me after my last set, but eating within about 45 minutes made a huge difference. I was literally destroyed after a week of just "eating whenever".

Placebo effects have wonderful mind control.

[in10city]

It's all about context.

I eat at 4:30am, in the gym from 6:00-8:00am and then eat again when I get home around 8:30am or so. From my experience, I'm not doing myself any favors by delaying regardless of what anyone tells me. I feel like a$$ for hours, daily energy suffers, adds residual fatigue making doing what I do day in and day out challenging - which is what my biggest inhibitor of progress is.

I also like to eat. I'm eating.

[BuckSpin]

This issue gets bantered about on a semi-regular basis. If I remember correctly it was Aaron's assertion that an entire day's nutrition could be consumed at one meal & have zero impact on body composition.

[-Aaron-]

This issue gets bantered about on a semi-regular basis. If I remember correctly it was Aaron's assertion that an entire day's nutrition could be consumed at one meal & have zero impact on body composition.

Don't put words in my mouth... I said meal frequency have no effect on body composition.

[BuckSpin]

Don't put words in my mouth... I said meal frequency have no effect on body composition.

My bad. Meal frequency = 6 meals/day or 3 meals/day or 1 meal/day

As long as you hit your target cals/macros/etc., none of these choices will have any effect on body composition one way or the other (beneficial or detrimental?)....right?

[TheWaffleIron]

allright, i also agree here. but i do have a question. with the intra workout supplement craze that is out now do you feel the a solid intra workout product (intrabolic ext) will produce greater long term muscle building effects than lets say just having it some other time during the day. diets the same in both situations and the only difference is one is taken intra workout and the other is lets say taken with a random meal.

and i know this is a supplement timing question but the basis of a good intra drink is EAA and WPH and some extras. just wanted your opinion on this subject

The intra workout supplement craze is more indicative of good marketing by supplement companies then necessity. Unless the trainee is training to complete glycogen depletion in a fasted state, intra dextrose or BCAAs aren't needed. An adequate prewo meal, consisting of ample carbs and protein, will suffice for the vast majority of recreational weightlifters (for 1 hr weight training session in a fed state)

Nutrient timing is everything if you want to be successful. Anyone can pack on blob mass, but if you want to put on muscle you have to make your hormones work for you. I'm sure you've heard it all before, but insulin is one of the bodies most potent hormones for muscle growth.

No. You're overblowing the effect of insulin levels on muscle growth. A dramatic rise, or "spike," in insulin levels is not going to have any greater effects on protein synthesis than a small rise above normal, resting levels.

Keeping it simple, Lots of carbs with breakfast and around your training sessions. The other meals don't need starchy carbs, they'll just make you fat.

No, starchy carbs do not make you fat if they're not eaten at breakfast or immediately postwo. Yes, you're an excellent broscientist.

[-Aaron-]

My bad. Meal frequency = 6 meals/day or 3 meals/day or 1 meal/day

As long as you hit your target cals/macros/etc., none of these choices will have any effect on body composition one way or the other (beneficial or detrimental?)....right?

In terms of 3 vs. 6, no.

If you are only having one meal a day, I doubt your body can absorb 200-250g of protein in one sitting, even when a lot of the aminos will be sitting in the blood stream for later use.

So, if you're trying to gain mass and lose quality weight, one or two meals isn't optimal based on science.

[BuckSpin]

In terms of 3 vs. 6, no.

If you are only having one meal a day, I doubt your body can absorb 200-250g of protein in one sitting, even when a lot of the aminos will be sitting in the blood stream for later use.

So, if you're trying to gain mass and lose quality weight, one or two meals isn't optimal based on science.

Thanks!