For all the Wolf fans. . .

[Npeart]

Many of you have been making the assertion that the big, bad Wolf is a better and more complete bodybuilder than Phil Heath. Bob Chick has stated many times on this board and on his radio show that Phil beats Dennis in every pose except the rear lat spread, where only Jay can match him. Having said that, on the most recent edition of Bob's radio program, Dexter Jackson ALSO said he worries more about Phil than Dennis and believes Phil to be the more complete bb'er. NOW. . . Dexter also qualified it by pointing out exactly where Dennis is inferior to Phil: calves, hamstrings, lower back, arms (who else has all thread heads of their tris striated?) and conditioning.

I'm making this thread as a pre-emptive strike, so that when Phil places ahead of Dennis, there is none of the usual "Wolf got robbed" nonsense. Jay believes Phil is more complete, Dexter believes Phil is more complete, as does Bob and countless others. Any of you actually believe you know more about bb'ing than Jay, Dexter or Bob? Think again.

So next Saturday when it's all said and done and Phil beats Dennis, I hope it will not come as a surprise. You're all on notice. Phil Heath will not lose to Dennis Wolf.

In fact, let me quote the great Ric Flair: "whether you like it or you hate it, you'd better learn to love it - cause it's the best thing going. . . .today. Whooooo!"

[Eightpak]

True. Heath should be first in reality, but we all know that's not going to happen.

[BauerTheBeast]

we'll just have to wait and see at the show. Anything can happen.

[Kiwi_]

Who's been saying Wolf is more complete than Heath?

[Npeart]

Originally Posted by Eightpak

True. Heath should be first in reality, but we all know that's not going to happen.

If the contest was truly about who has the most aesthetically pleasing physique, yes, Dexter and Phil would be battling for the top spot.

Originally Posted by BauerTheBeast

we'll just have to wait and see at the show. Anything can happen.

You are right. Guys come in off, etc. I can't see that happening this time, however.

Originally Posted by Kiwi_n00b

Who's been saying Wolf is more complete than Heath?

Lots of Wolf fans on here have for well over a year. Where you been, mang?

[Mr. Aries]

too bad none of the people you mentioned is on the judging panel.

[imasavage]

Sadly, the best physique sometimes does not win.

[Neo_Anthony]

I got my money on wolf, i think its going to be interesting to see what they actually look like side by side. Although Heath is more complete, I think he is going to be shot down by the width and overall mass of Wolf. Also, from the recent pics, it looks as if Wolf has brought up his weak points. But we'll have to see, will check back here after pre-judging .

[Npeart]

Originally Posted by Mr. Aries

too bad none of the people you mentioned is on the judging panel.

Too bad for who?

But they are ALL qualified to be judges and they know how the judges think. Why would Dexter be more worried about Phil than Dennis if he didn't have some insight into the judges thought process? Makes no sense.

All the people I mentioned have been around the game for a very long time and know what they are talking about. They know exactly how this thing is going to shake out provided the contestants show up in peak condition.

We'll know for sure next weekend. I just don't want people coming in here crying and whining. Professionals at the highest level of the sport are telling you, Heath is going to beat Wolf. You can accept it or not.

[Npeart]

Originally Posted by cannibus

I got my money on wolf, i think its going to be interesting to see what they actually look like side by side. Although Heath is more complete, I think he is going to be shot down by the width and overall mass of Wolf. Also, from the recent pics, it looks as if Wolf has brought up his weak points. But we'll have to see, will check back here after pre-judging .

Wolf will dwarf Phil because he is wider and 3 inches taller. By virtue of his height he is supposed to look bigger on stage than Phil - and he will, but is this the Mr. Wider and Taller contest?

[DiamondDelts]

In all fairness. I have not seen one single post where any wolf fan claimed Dennis was more complete than Heath. Bigger yes, but nothing more. But this is not the Arnold Classic. And even before that I remember bold claims that Heath would win the Arnold and he did not. I believe that was largely due to namesake but either way he did not place 1st.

Now here I am again witness more bold heath predictions before the biggest show of them all. I won't hold my breath.

[stealth_swimmer]

I'll make the call when I see them next to each other. Doesn't mean I'll be right. It just depends what the judges favor that day but i'll say who I feel should've placed where and why. It's subjective, so IMO so long as people justify where they had people in placings then it's all good cus then at least it shows WHY they feel the way they do.

[DiamondDelts]

Originally Posted by Mr. Aries

too bad none of the people you mentioned is on the judging panel.

QFT.

[Npeart]

Originally Posted by DiamondDelts

In all fairness. I have not seen one single post where any wolf fan claimed Dennis was more complete than Heath. Bigger yes, but nothing more. But this is not the Arnold Classic. And even before that I remember bold claims that Heath would win the Arnold and he did not. I beleive that was largely due namesake but either way he did not place 1st.

Now here I am again witness more bold heath predictions before the biggest show of them all. I won't hold my breath.

Then by definition DD, Heath IS the better bb'er, right? More complete means better, does it not? OR, are you saying bigger and wider is better, because if you are Ruhl, Joel Stubbs and Gunther are the best ever?

Yes, I did predict Heath would win the Arnold and he came mighty close. I did not foresee Dexter coming in heavier. Had he not, he would have lost. Good for Dexter. Job well done.

The point of the thread is to illustrate that people who know a whole lot more about bb'ing than us have Phil beating Wolf, owing to him being a more complete bb'er. Now I know you are going to say since when has being more complete meant anything at the O, but considering Heath placed 2nd at the Arnold and Wolf skipped the show, I think that decision is going to hurt Wolf.

[BauerTheBeast]

I'm not predicting the shows placings but i think the way the Olympia is judged leans more in Wolfs favor than the Arnold.

[imasavage]

People must remember that posing has a lot to do with winning. If the best bodybuilder comes out and just moonwalks for 5 minutes, then he just might not win. Call it crazy.

[Oz_Rider]

dude u quoted a WRESTLER, any credibility you may have had is therefore MOOT!!

[BauerTheBeast]

Originally Posted by imasavage

People must remember that posing has a lot to do with winning. If the best bodybuilder comes out and just moonwalks for 5 minutes, then he just might not win. Call it crazy.

[Neo_Anthony]

Originally Posted by Npeart

Wolf will dwarf Phil because he is wider and 3 inches taller. By virtue of his height he is supposed to look bigger on stage than Phil - and he will, but is this the Mr. Wider and Taller contest?

Not just bigger and wider, but topped with an amazing v-taper and awesome muscle bellies as well. Heaths "Achille's Heel"(clavicle width) will more than stand out when he steps next to jay and wolf, and if Wolf has brought up his calves and lower back like i think he has, then i think he has Heath beat and will get top 3. Just a guess though, the suspense is killin' me lol.

[DiamondDelts]

Originally Posted by Npeart

Then by definition DD, Heath IS the better bb'er, right? More complete means better, does it not? OR, are you saying bigger and wider is better, because if you are Ruhl, Joel Stubbs and Gunther are the best ever?

Yes, I did predict Heath would win the Arnold and he came mighty close. I did not foresee Dexter coming in heavier. Had he not, he would have lost. Good for Dexter. Job well done.

The point of the thread is to illustrate that people who know a whole lot more about bb'ing than us have Phil beating Wolf, owing to him being a more complete bb'er. Now I know you are going to say since when has being more complete meant anything at the O, but considering Heath placed 2nd at the Arnold and Wolf skipped the show, I think that decision is going to hurt Wolf.

I've already stated multiple times that Heath is the more complete bodybuilder and problably the better overall bodybuilder. But that does not mean anything at the O. There have been numerous smaller more complete bodybuilders who were denied a sandow.(flex, leverone, ray). So until that trend changes with a new type of winner I don't foresee anything higher than 2nd for Phil. But he might have been able to edge out wolfie for third place but he did not compete in the O last year which I feel will really hurt him. Most of the new guys in the modern day O do not place in the top 3.

As far as jay,dex, and bob I value their opinions but opinion are just like *******s and everybody has at least one. I've seen the judges and none of them look like they have picked up a weight in 20 years yet they are charged with judging the most important show of them all. So I will put my opinion right up there with their "professional" opinion any day of the week.

After all these are some of the same guys who let competitors with flopping distended bellies place high year after year and I'm supposed to think they know world's more about bodybuilding than me? I ain't buying it.

[Npeart]

Originally Posted by Oz_Rider

dude u quoted a WRESTLER, any credibility you may have had is therefore MOOT!!

I do not seek credibility from you or anyone else. I am merely saying people who actually have stood on the biggest stage in bb'ing, believe Phil is going to beat Wolf. So if it happens, do not be surprised. You have all been forewarned by Jay, Dexter and Bob. Nobody is twisting your arms to believe it and you are all free to think for yourselves, certainly.

I'm just trying to squash some of this "Wolf is better" banter by illustrating that people with a lot more knowledge about the sport disagree with you.

[DiamondDelts]

I do find it funny how jay and dex dismissed wolf in their roundtable discussion interview. And there has already been numerous threads about how heath is going to beat wolf yet no threads claiming wolf is going to dominate at the O. It seems as though jay and the heath fans have to will themselves daily into thinking that the big bad wolf is nothing special and won't make an impact at this year's o.

I find that hilarious. The man was clearly the the biggest guy onstage and the crowd favorite last year and he's had an entire year to train and work on his weakpoints. Yet Heath who did not even enter last years O because he did not have the size needed is going to dominate this year and place even higher than Wolf? Hmmm.

[Oz_Rider]

Originally Posted by Npeart

I do not seek credibility from you or anyone else. I am merely saying people who actually have stood on the biggest stage in bb'ing, believe Phil is going to beat Wolf. So if it happens, do not be surprised. You have all been forewarned by Jay, Dexter and Bob. Nobody is twisting your arms to believe it and you are all free to think for yourselves, certainly.

I'm just trying to squash some of this "Wolf is better" banter by illustrating that people with a lot more knowledge about the sport disagree with you.

well Dex also said he only works out for an hour and his physique is all thanks to Cell-Tech so forgive me for not taking him on his word

but back to serious talk, was just taking a (fun) cheap shot at ya with the wrestling thing mate, will let this thread get back on track

[MattyH7688]

but omgz wolf is sooooooooooo wideeeeeeeeee

[DiamondDelts]

Originally Posted by MattyH7688

but omgz wolf is sooooooooooo wideeeeeeeeee

Do you hate wolf because he is white? You racist brah?

[Oz_Rider]

Originally Posted by DiamondDelts

I do find it funny how jay and dex dismissed wolf in their roundtable discussion interview. And there has already been numerous threads about how heath is going to beat wolf yet no threads claiming wolf is going to dominate at the O. It seems as though jay and the heath fans have to will themselves daily into thinking that the big bad wolf is nothing special and won't make an impact at this year's o.

I find that hilarious. The man was clearly the the biggest guy onstage and the crowd favorite last year and he's had an entire year to train and work on his weakpoints. Yet Heath who did not even enter last years O because he did not have the size needed is going to dominate this year and place even higher than Wolf? Hmmm.

i found it insanely lulz worthy when Jay openly said he didnt notice Wolf following him around the pose down, coz ummmm the FANS sure did Jay!!
think that was Jays attempt at mind games and i must say it was full of fail!

Originally Posted by MattyH7688

but omgz wolf is sooooooooooo wideeeeeeeeee

u mad?
(or maybe just jealous)

[Npeart]

Originally Posted by DiamondDelts

I do find it funny how jay and dex dismissed wolf in their roundtable discussion interview. And there has already been numerous threads about how heath is going to beat wolf yet no threads claiming wolf is going to dominate at the O. It seems as though jay and the heath fans have to will themselves daily into thinking that the big bad wolf is nothing special and won't make an impact at this year's o.

I find that hilarious. The man was clearly the crowd favorite last year and he's had an entire year to train and work on his weakpoints. Yet Heath did not even enter last years O because he did not have the size needed is going to dominate this year and place even higher than Wolf? Hmmm.

Your problem is with Jay and Dex, bro - not me. I have NEVER said Wolf was nothing or not to a force to be reckoned with. He certainly is. I think Wolf is a mighty fine bb'er and if he can fix his flaws and get his conditioning right, he can and will do damage.

I do not need to will anything. On the one hand there is Phil Heath: peeled, striated, and other than this clavicle bull$hit, has NO flaws. On the other hand is Wolf: wide as a house, nice v-taper and lines but lacking hamstrings, calves, a lower back and championship conditioning. Very few bb'ers have the total package, but Phil Heath is as close to it as you'll find.

[Alexandre76]

I don't believe anyone said that dennis was more complete. I think they said that wolf has phil heath beat on certain poses or certain body parts.

[DiamondDelts]

Originally Posted by Npeart

Your problem is with Jay and Dex, bro - not me. I have NEVER said Wolf was nothing or not to a force to be reckoned with. He certainly is. I think Wolf is a mighty fine bb'er and if he can fix his flaws and get his conditioning right, he can and will do damage.

I do not need to will anything. On the one hand there is Phil Heath: peeled, striated, and other than this clavicle bull$hit, has NO flaws. On the other hand is Wolf: wide as a house, nice v-taper and lines but lacking hamstrings, calves, a lower back and championship conditioning. Very few bb'ers have the total package, but Phil Heath is as close to it as you'll find.

But going back to your last point. Both Levrone and Ray were complete at fairly young ages. But how many sandows did they receive between them?

[Oz_Rider]

Originally Posted by Npeart

Your problem is with Jay and Dex, bro - not me. I have NEVER said Wolf was nothing or not to a force to be reckoned with. He certainly is. I think Wolf is a mighty fine bb'er and if he can fix his flaws and get his conditioning right, he can and will do damage.

I do not need to will anything. On the one hand there is Phil Heath: peeled, striated, and other than this clavicle bull$hit, has NO flaws. On the other hand is Wolf: wide as a house, nice v-taper and lines but lacking hamstrings, calves, a lower back and championship conditioning. Very few bb'ers have the total package, but Phil Heath is as close to it as you'll find.

dude i cant understand why u dont see this simple point tho, Heath is not the first person to bring this PACKAGE to the table, and all those before him have failed time and time again...

why cant ppl just understand that on his own Heath looks great but amongst the big (bigger?) boys he is lost in the crowd... Sure he will win a few Arnolds very soon but an Olympia is not likely in the SHORT TERM