I was wondering also how Triathalon Athletes or endurance race athletes "carb up".
Now I know Bodybuilders and marathon athletes are different. However, Marathon athletes sometimes do this ritual of eating a WHOLE LOT of carbs the night before so they would have energy.
For bodybuilders that are trying to lean up OR gain as little fat as possible during the bulk phase, they may cut out carbs near bed time.
There are 3 things I can come up with as to why Carbs may easily be turned to fat.
1. High glycemic foods get absorbed too quickly leaving low blood sugar level which leads to cravings of more food.
2. Glycogen stores in the body is completely full. Anymore carbohydrate intake would be turned to fat.
3. Too many calories overall consumed.
So what is the reason for bodybuilders to cut out carbs near bed time? I believe the body itself can hold up to ALOT of glycogen. Sleeping may slow down the body's process of using up glycogen and thus eating carbs before bed may fill up the body's glycogen stores more than it burns off.
Is this the reason?
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09-11-2008, 11:13 PM #1
Why do some bodybuilders not eat carbs before bed?
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Pancake-awesome
cookie dough-good (not sweet but has flavor)
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PB- good(sweet, not strong flavor)
Gingerbread- good (taste like gingerale/no good on pancakes, okay in oatmeal)
Coconut- good. (has flavor..a tiny sweetness)
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09-11-2008, 11:24 PM #2
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Well, ideally most carbs should come in immediately around the workout window...I guess if 'bodybuilder X' works out in the morning, and eats the bulk of his carbs around that time, he wouldn't really benefit from eating any substantial amount of carbs before bed. Also, during sleep, you don't burn a ton of carbs because sleeping is a 'low intensity' activity; so you burn mostly fat...Furthermore, if you have sugar present in the blood, growth hormone is unable to be released. Sleep is usually the time when most of your 'daily' Gh is produced...
some people may argue that SOME carbs are still burned ......but not a substantial enough amount to worry about; (nothing that carbs the next morning will not replace)User formerly known as rodyrodypiper3.
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09-12-2008, 12:11 AM #3
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Well, I can tell you how I carbo-loaded before my last marathon:
Two days before race day, switched from drinking lots of plain water to drinking lots of gatorade. Day before race day, ate lots of light carby snacks like bananas, pretzels, bagels, and had a medium (not huge, as some would think, since eating too much the night before makes for terrible performance) sized pasta dinner around 8pm. Got up around 4am for more gatorade and a bagel with jam and peanut butter, and topped off with gatorade a couple more times before race start at 6am. The theory is that the fuller your glycogen stores are before the race, the more fuel you will have during the race to propel you through. Conversely, many fitness athletes and those wishing to lose fat may want to stay away from carbs before bedtime, since you would be topping off glycogen stores and not using them up, contributing to stored energy, aka fat. When I'm not running, I try and stick with complex carbs and cut out all carbs about three hours before bedtime.
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09-12-2008, 12:45 AM #4
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I don't consume carbs before 1-2 hours bed for the simple fact that:
1) glycogen stores will not be depleted, since I do eat carbs like 4-5 hours before bed
2) I want to use up the energy so I can have a bigger breakfast in the morning
3) risk of fat gain (water retention, etc)Do not pray for easier lives. Pray to be stronger men.
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09-12-2008, 08:16 AM #5
In the IntenseDF diet there is a principle that is called: The night diet principle
This principle says ; The night diet principle implies that we should eat during the day and diet during the night!
When we eat a meal that meals have the capacity to satisfy our hunger for a wile typically 2-3 hours.
When we sleep, we do not feel hungry so we do not need to satisfy hunger.
Bodybuilder need to keep calories at bay if they want to have a body fat of 7-9% or less. That means they have to find any available trick to fight hunger. Unless they are huge beast!
Eating carbo just before going to sleep means wasting the capacity of the meal of satisfying your hunger that means you are eating one meal more than needed.
If you want to get more info on this subject have a look to this article:
http://www.intensedf.com/Content/Hea...eDF_Diet1.aspx
I think it can give you a good answer to your question.
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09-12-2008, 03:36 PM #19I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do this I keep on doing. (Romans 7:15,17-19)
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09-12-2008, 03:47 PM #22I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do this I keep on doing. (Romans 7:15,17-19)
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09-12-2008, 09:47 PM #25I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do this I keep on doing. (Romans 7:15,17-19)
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09-12-2008, 10:08 PM #26
you take a pretty hard stance on this issue. I'm no "know-it-all" and I'm not trying to be a dick when I say this because you remind me a lot of my 16 year old brother but...
I got my degree in biology and athletic training and had to take assloads of nutrition classes and have met a lot of people who know there sh*t who are open to the idea that nutritient/carb timing could affect weight and body compostition as much or more as total caloric consumption.
And I'm not talking about ho-hum middle school nutrition teachers. I'm talking about people like Chris Duggan and Irwin Rosenburg (if you haven't heard of these people check out harvards website, they are both MD's in harvards division of nutrition)
Point being is you need to call these people and talk to them if you know so surely that a "calorie is a calorie" (coincidentally I generally believe like you do i'm just not so sure about it).
Because BOTH of these people and many of their collegues are very open and into the fact that there is a LOT more to it that.
Chris believes for the average joe if you cut cals below maintenance you lose weight you go above you gain weight. Most of his and his collegues research centers around advanced athletes and weight fluctions and body comp changes based on carb/fat/protein timing. And I'm telling you many of them are starting to believe the timing is just as important as caloric intake for many individuals.
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09-12-2008, 11:12 PM #27
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so you dont belive in nutrient partitioning?
why dont I just not eat at all and just eat before bed?
what you are saying is that all that matters is cals at the end of the day and I call bull****.
I get tired of all this "eat whatever the hell you want whenever you want as long as its in your macros at the end of the day"
true that some can be to anal but this is a bodybuilding nutrition forum!
great post.“You never won’t know what you can’t achieve until you don’t achieve it.”
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09-12-2008, 11:40 PM #28
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if your gym efforts are legit and your diet is mainly raw food and you feel like your metablism is running efficient then eat whatever combo of healthy foods you want whenever you want in any quantity you feel like....if you're out of shape and your training sucks then you will get fat by eating carbs at night for sure
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