Bodybuilding.com Information Motivation Supplementation
in:

    The World’s #1 Bodybuilding And Fitness Forum - Save Up To 50% Off Retail Prices In Our Bodybuilding.com Store!

Closed Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 43
  1. #1
    Working out is gay JHogg11's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: North Carolina, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 195 lbs
    Posts: 663
    Rep Power: 31
    JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit JHogg11's BodySpace
    JHogg11 is offline

    WestSide vs. Sheiko vs. 5X5 vs. Smolov vs. Anything else

    Right now I'm in the middle of a month of Sheiko. So far it's going well. When I'm done I'm probably going to take a week off and then try a 5X5 routine but I'm not 100% sure just yet. Can someone give me a rundown of each of these and compare the strategies of each? Also, post whatever experience you have with these or anything else that you think could be added to the list.

  2. #2
    Being african ruga buga's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2007
    Location: South Africa
    Age: 21
    Stats: 6'0", 200 lbs
    Posts: 6,735
    BodyPoints: 4759
    Rep Power: 79
    ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) ruga buga has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Visit ruga buga's BodySpace
    ruga buga is offline
    first off what are your goals and other vital stats? i.e. experience ect...
    ....

    Currently eating

  3. #3
    Congestion JOTO MISSINGLINK's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2006
    Location: On the Ho Chi Min Trail Sippin on a 40oz of Old English 800, Vietnam
    Age: 42
    Posts: 16,164
    BodyPoints: 31683
    Rep Power: 60771
    MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit MISSINGLINK's BodySpace
    MISSINGLINK is offline
    Originally Posted by JHogg11 View Post
    Right now I'm in the middle of a month of Sheiko. So far it's going well. When I'm done I'm probably going to take a week off and then try a 5X5 routine but I'm not 100% sure just yet. Can someone give me a rundown of each of these and compare the strategies of each? Also, post whatever experience you have with these or anything else that you think could be added to the list.
    Can you do my term paper on the Abraham Lincoln administration and compare his presidency to that of BIll CLintons discussing each presidents views on National and Foreign policy, the economy, and what Bill CLinton would do if there were slavery around. Also, post whatever experience you have with these or anything else that you think could be added to the list.
    Death is winning. Do something.- Sam Boyd

  4. #4
    Working out is gay JHogg11's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: North Carolina, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 195 lbs
    Posts: 663
    Rep Power: 31
    JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit JHogg11's BodySpace
    JHogg11 is offline
    Originally Posted by MISSINGLINK View Post
    Can you do my term paper on the Abraham Lincoln administration and compare his presidency to that of BIll CLintons discussing each presidents views on National and Foreign policy, the economy, and what Bill CLinton would do if there were slavery around. Also, post whatever experience you have with these or anything else that you think could be added to the list.
    I'll do the paper if you can answer my question.

    Alright, here's my deal:

    Age: 22
    Height: 5'11"
    Weight: 177

    Maxes (All estimates)
    Squat 305
    Deadlift: 380 (hurt back at the moment so I'm not doing these.)
    Bench: 260
    Pullups: 20 max, +100lbs for one rep
    Shoulder Press: 175
    Rows: 225

    I've been lifting on and off for almost a decade and I've been lifting consistently for about a year and a half. I have probably about 4 years worth of lifting experience if you add up all of the spurts of lifting. I'm not a big fan of looking huge, so I've tended to make fairly slow progress in strength because I haven't gained weight and I'm alright with that.

  5. #5
    www.vicjg.com vicjg's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2006
    Location: Freezing my ass off in, Antarctica
    Age: 39
    Stats: 5'6", 250 lbs
    Posts: 5,039
    BodyPoints: 13208
    Rep Power: 3637
    vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit vicjg's BodySpace
    vicjg is offline
    Originally Posted by MISSINGLINK View Post
    Can you do my term paper on the Abraham Lincoln administration and compare his presidency to that of BIll CLintons discussing each presidents views on National and Foreign policy, the economy, and what Bill CLinton would do if there were slavery around. Also, post whatever experience you have with these or anything else that you think could be added to the list.
    Sheiko was a president?
    The guys who claim "I did GOMAD and got fat" are just stupid. - Dave76

  6. #6
    Working out is gay JHogg11's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: North Carolina, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 195 lbs
    Posts: 663
    Rep Power: 31
    JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit JHogg11's BodySpace
    JHogg11 is offline
    Goals:

    Bench: 315
    Squat: 405
    Deadlift: 455
    One Arm Pullup
    Planche Pushup
    Dunk

  7. #7
    Congestion JOTO MISSINGLINK's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2006
    Location: On the Ho Chi Min Trail Sippin on a 40oz of Old English 800, Vietnam
    Age: 42
    Posts: 16,164
    BodyPoints: 31683
    Rep Power: 60771
    MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit MISSINGLINK's BodySpace
    MISSINGLINK is offline
    Originally Posted by vicjg View Post
    Sheiko was a president?
    Who the f*ck is sheiko???
    Death is winning. Do something.- Sam Boyd

  8. #8
    Team CESA LessThanLuke's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Location: Aberdare, Wales, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Stats: 5'10", 231 lbs
    Posts: 6,457
    BodyPoints: 1156
    Rep Power: 18652
    LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit LessThanLuke's BodySpace
    LessThanLuke is offline
    Originally Posted by MISSINGLINK View Post
    Who the f*ck is sheiko???
    BORIS MOTHER****ER
    New Journal
    forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=157833293&pagenumber=

    770 deadlift @ 231 www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBUdZHtzrFM

    www.facebook.com/strongmanlukedavies
    www.youtube.com/user/LessThanLuke19 (subscribe!)

    Reps to anyone who likes/subscribes

  9. #9
    Congestion JOTO MISSINGLINK's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2006
    Location: On the Ho Chi Min Trail Sippin on a 40oz of Old English 800, Vietnam
    Age: 42
    Posts: 16,164
    BodyPoints: 31683
    Rep Power: 60771
    MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit MISSINGLINK's BodySpace
    MISSINGLINK is offline
    Originally Posted by LessThanLuke View Post
    BORIS MOTHER****ER
    I know this. I was playing along with him. I follow his journal and I know who sheiko is. Do you have to call names?
    Death is winning. Do something.- Sam Boyd

  10. #10
    Team CESA LessThanLuke's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Location: Aberdare, Wales, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Stats: 5'10", 231 lbs
    Posts: 6,457
    BodyPoints: 1156
    Rep Power: 18652
    LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) LessThanLuke has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit LessThanLuke's BodySpace
    LessThanLuke is offline
    Originally Posted by MISSINGLINK View Post
    I know this. I was playing along with him. I follow his journal and I know who sheiko is. Do you have to call names?
    no hate brah.
    New Journal
    forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=157833293&pagenumber=

    770 deadlift @ 231 www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBUdZHtzrFM

    www.facebook.com/strongmanlukedavies
    www.youtube.com/user/LessThanLuke19 (subscribe!)

    Reps to anyone who likes/subscribes

  11. #11
    Banned f00t's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2006
    Posts: 1,289
    BodyPoints: 1072
    Rep Power: 0
    f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)
    Visit f00t's BodySpace
    f00t is offline
    i did smolov and added 50lbs to my squat in three months. i did westside and after understanding it i added 50lbs to my squat in 2 months.

  12. #12
    Congestion JOTO MISSINGLINK's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2006
    Location: On the Ho Chi Min Trail Sippin on a 40oz of Old English 800, Vietnam
    Age: 42
    Posts: 16,164
    BodyPoints: 31683
    Rep Power: 60771
    MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) MISSINGLINK has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit MISSINGLINK's BodySpace
    MISSINGLINK is offline
    Originally Posted by JHogg11 View Post
    Right now I'm in the middle of a month of Sheiko. So far it's going well. When I'm done I'm probably going to take a week off and then try a 5X5 routine but I'm not 100% sure just yet. Can someone give me a rundown of each of these and compare the strategies of each? Also, post whatever experience you have with these or anything else that you think could be added to the list.
    Why are you so far in the red?
    Death is winning. Do something.- Sam Boyd

  13. #13
    www.vicjg.com vicjg's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2006
    Location: Freezing my ass off in, Antarctica
    Age: 39
    Stats: 5'6", 250 lbs
    Posts: 5,039
    BodyPoints: 13208
    Rep Power: 3637
    vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) vicjg has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit vicjg's BodySpace
    vicjg is offline
    Originally Posted by LessThanLuke View Post
    BORIS MOTHER****ER
    Neg'd MOTHER****ER.





































































    j/k
    The guys who claim "I did GOMAD and got fat" are just stupid. - Dave76

  14. #14
    's **** is bananas btlifter's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2007
    Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Age: 26
    Stats: 6'5", 350 lbs
    Posts: 714
    BodyPoints: 40
    Rep Power: 1474
    btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) btlifter has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit btlifter's BodySpace
    btlifter is offline
    you're affiliated with the millitary in some way, correct? If so, i'd definitely stray away from Sheiko, as the volume of that, coupled with the running etc. you're sure to do with the millitary training, would lead you to be overtrained relatively quickly, i'm not overly experienced with 5x5, but from all accounts is a GREAT beginners program, as you are an "intermediate" that may not apply, but... nonetheless, i'm sure you'll get good gains off of it, but i'll let somebody more knowlegable than i talk about it, personally i'm a huge advocate of westside, and think that it's great for somebody like you, as it will allow you to adjust it a TON to focus specifically on what you want to focus on (i'm not sure hwo well you'll be able to perform other programs without being able to deadliftt)
    cheers
    680/412.5/647.5-1740, raw elite 308 (meet, raw, wraps)
    730/430/660 -current gym prs... but much fatter now.

  15. #15
    Working out is gay JHogg11's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: North Carolina, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 195 lbs
    Posts: 663
    Rep Power: 31
    JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit JHogg11's BodySpace
    JHogg11 is offline
    Originally Posted by btlifter View Post
    you're affiliated with the millitary in some way, correct? If so, i'd definitely stray away from Sheiko, as the volume of that, coupled with the running etc. you're sure to do with the millitary training, would lead you to be overtrained relatively quickly, i'm not overly experienced with 5x5, but from all accounts is a GREAT beginners program, as you are an "intermediate" that may not apply, but... nonetheless, i'm sure you'll get good gains off of it, but i'll let somebody more knowlegable than i talk about it, personally i'm a huge advocate of westside, and think that it's great for somebody like you, as it will allow you to adjust it a TON to focus specifically on what you want to focus on (i'm not sure hwo well you'll be able to perform other programs without being able to deadliftt)
    cheers
    I was going to join the Marines. I have since decided against it for personal reasons.

  16. #16
    Working out is gay JHogg11's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: North Carolina, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 195 lbs
    Posts: 663
    Rep Power: 31
    JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit JHogg11's BodySpace
    JHogg11 is offline
    Originally Posted by MISSINGLINK View Post
    Why are you so far in the red?
    I got negged by someone with like 14,000 posts or something. I think it requires a while to recover from that. Somehow I am still able to sleep at night.

  17. #17
    Working out is gay JHogg11's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: North Carolina, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 195 lbs
    Posts: 663
    Rep Power: 31
    JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit JHogg11's BodySpace
    JHogg11 is offline
    Anyone, anyone?

  18. #18
    Registered User Code_B's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2007
    Location: Santa Cruz, California, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 188 lbs
    Posts: 5,684
    BodyPoints: 4882
    Rep Power: 4579
    Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Code_B has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit Code_B's BodySpace
    Code_B is offline
    Originally Posted by f00t View Post
    i did smolov and added 50lbs to my squat in three months. i did westside and after understanding it i added 50lbs to my squat in 2 months.
    There is still alot I don't understand but I think this is why people end up calling westside stupid and saying its no good for drug free lifters or whatever. At first I didn't get it, I still just followed along with the workouts and I wasn't getting much out of it. I started reading and reading and reading. I've read a ton of articles, bought Louie's new book and read it, asked a bunch of questions and after all that I feel like now I have a basic grasp on the concepts and why I'm actually doing what I do during my workouts. I've barely been training like this for a couple months but I am making progress now. I think an understanding of the system, even a basic one, is important to really get something out of training in a Westside style.
    Consistency

  19. #19
    EAT!EAT! tinyman5000's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2007
    Stats: 5'4", 171 lbs
    Posts: 15,094
    BodyPoints: 32149
    Rep Power: 2078
    tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) tinyman5000 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit tinyman5000's BodySpace
    tinyman5000 is offline
    Yeah Brother Train West Side All Other Program Suck Hardcore

    Yyeah Brother

  20. #20
    Registered User DManiac's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2008
    Age: 30
    Posts: 24
    Rep Power: 0
    DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000)
    Visit DManiac's BodySpace
    DManiac is offline
    The foundation in westside is an very obvious one. Train your respective lifts. Dynamic/ME; then accessory work. Find out what is weak, train that extra. Its success depends on the lifters ability to pursue their weaknesses. This is a very hard thing to do. It requires one to remove their ego and train hard. Smolov and all the others are templates that may work, but if you need someone to write you out a routine, then you def do not want to try to structure your workouts around a westside type philosophy.
    TEAM MANIAC!

  21. #21
    Working out is gay JHogg11's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: North Carolina, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 195 lbs
    Posts: 663
    Rep Power: 31
    JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit JHogg11's BodySpace
    JHogg11 is offline
    Originally Posted by DManiac View Post
    The foundation in westside is an very obvious one. Train your respective lifts. Dynamic/ME; then accessory work. Find out what is weak, train that extra. Its success depends on the lifters ability to pursue their weaknesses. This is a very hard thing to do. It requires one to remove their ego and train hard. Smolov and all the others are templates that may work, but if you need someone to write you out a routine, then you def do not want to try to structure your workouts around a westside type philosophy.
    I don't have much experience writing my own program. I've found that when I do, I'm more likely to want to make changes and not stick with it. I've always done programs centering equally around squats, deads, bench, shoulder press, rows, and pullups. The programs that I mentioned are more oriented for powerlifters (I really don't know much about Westside so that might not be the case for it) and center around the three lifts. Also they tend to be high volume. When it comes to these two elements, I'm in the dark.

  22. #22
    Registered User DManiac's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2008
    Age: 30
    Posts: 24
    Rep Power: 0
    DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000)
    Visit DManiac's BodySpace
    DManiac is offline
    Dynamic= Chains/ Bands/None): Squats, Deads, Bench; ( or if your in my boat, OH Press's, Jerks, etc) 3 rep range 1-3, FAST! Controlled! Technique!
    ME: Maximum Effort: (Chains/Bands/None): BP, SQ, D; Most weight, no speed, Put it up with the best possible technique. Focus of technique.

    Accessory Work: All the lifts that help do these lift: Abs, Upr Back, Rvs Hyper, Gluteham, etc.
    TEAM MANIAC!

  23. #23
    Registered User The_cannibal's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2007
    Location: Canada
    Age: 43
    Posts: 1,065
    BodyPoints: 2808
    Rep Power: 5167
    The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit The_cannibal's BodySpace
    The_cannibal is offline
    Westside is probably the one in the list which I know the least, but from what I understand, it is not really a program (although some templates are available), but more of a philosophy of training: you do ME days, DE days and RE days; you train your weaker points to make them stronger; and although Louie Simmons do not believe in periodisation (or so I've heard), there's nothing that says that you can't vary the volume and intensity throughout the year.

    Sheiko is a low intensity, high volume training program. I currently know of 12 different programs: #29, #30, #31, #32, #37, #39, #40, CMS-MS Prep, CMS-MS Prep 2, CMS-MS Comp, plus 2 more programs found on www.joeskopec.com/programs.html. These programs are all inclusive: you just need to follow it to a T. It focuses mainly on the big 3 lifts, but it doesn't have much assistance exercises for the back (no pull-ups or rows). Of course, with the amount of volume in the program, 'they' had to cut somewhere.
    It is a periodized training program: you can see the volume fluctuates through the weeks, and you'd usually use different programs concatenated together to form a prep/comp continuity, such as: #29 (prep), #30 (prep), #32 (comp).

    5x5, aka Bill Starr's, is a very nice program. It includes all 3 lifts + some very important assistance exercises. You squat 3x/wk, bench 2x/wk and deadlift once a week. It is very easy to follow and you can make decent gains on it. It is available in an intermediate linear version, and in an advanced periodized version. The intermediate version is actually periodized (linearly) since you would reset the program after a couple of weeks (when you can no longer increase the weights by 2.5%), and this would give you 2-3 easy weeks.

    Smolov is an overreaching program. I did the mistake of doing this program and overestimating my capacities... I failed miserably. I thought I could do it while adding a bunch of squat assistance exercises + heavy bench days, and the result is that I failed to overcompensate at the end. Althought the first week is fairly easy, it becomes hard very quickly on the 2nd and 3rd week. You can also apply the principles of Smolov to bench and deadlift, but not at the same time obviously. There is also a Smolov Jr version, which is often used for the bench; it is slightly easier. Contrarily to 5x5 or Sheiko or Westside, you could not do Smolov over and over. It is more something you'd try a few times a year.
    Last edited by The_cannibal; 09-06-2008 at 09:08 AM.

  24. #24
    I like meat(no homo) Spidey101's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2006
    Location: Illinois, United States
    Age: 28
    Stats: 5'8", 172 lbs
    Posts: 1,040
    BodyPoints: 29
    Rep Power: 403
    Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) Spidey101 has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Visit Spidey101's BodySpace
    Spidey101 is offline
    Well, I just finished the base cycle of smololv. I will have to say it was the hardest thing I've done. I'mnot much of a powerlifter and I typically dont train for strength, but my squat plateaued and my legs werent gettin any bigger. I read up on smolov and gave it a shot.

    First week wasnt bad

    2nd week was HELL

    3rd week was HELL on Mars

    Just got done with it today, and i'm gonna test out my new squat next thursd.

    Havent tried any of the other methods, however
    ............/??/)............ (\?`\
    .........../....//........... ..\\.....\
    ...../??/..../??\............/?`\.....\?`\
    .././.../..../..../.|_......_| .\..\... .\...\.\..
    (.(....(....(..../.)..)..(..(. \.....).... )....).)
    .\................\/.../....\. ..\/...... ........./
    ..\................. /........\.................../
    "India is the middle east bro, don't argue it because you'll just end up looking dumb if you keep it up." - Disenfranchised

  25. #25
    Banned f00t's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2006
    Posts: 1,289
    BodyPoints: 1072
    Rep Power: 0
    f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank) f00t is the lowest scum of the boards. (Worst Rank)
    Visit f00t's BodySpace
    f00t is offline
    Originally Posted by The_cannibal View Post
    Westside is probably the one is the list which I know the least, but from what I understand, it is not really a program (although some templates are available), but more of a philosophy of training: you do ME days, DE days and RE days; you train your weaker points to make them stronger; and although Louie Simmons do not believe in periodisation (or so I've heard), there's nothing that says that you can't vary the volume and intensity throughout the year.
    westside is like the matrix

  26. #26
    Registered User swolegantor's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2008
    Location: Ajax, Ontario, Canada
    Age: 28
    Posts: 3,520
    Rep Power: 1072
    swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit swolegantor's BodySpace
    swolegantor is offline
    To be quite honest.

    It actually really doesent matter what you do.

    It seriously doesent.

    Train hard, lift heavy **** and after a long time you might not suck. Do what feels right, dont over think things, it really doesent matter at this point.
    It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most responsive to change.

  27. #27
    Registered User DManiac's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2008
    Age: 30
    Posts: 24
    Rep Power: 0
    DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000) DManiac is just really nice. (+1000)
    Visit DManiac's BodySpace
    DManiac is offline
    It does matter what you do. With that said, Squat more.
    TEAM MANIAC!

  28. #28
    Working out is gay JHogg11's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: North Carolina, United States
    Age: 29
    Stats: 6'0", 195 lbs
    Posts: 663
    Rep Power: 31
    JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JHogg11 has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Visit JHogg11's BodySpace
    JHogg11 is offline
    Originally Posted by The_cannibal View Post
    Westside is probably the one in the list which I know the least, but from what I understand, it is not really a program (although some templates are available), but more of a philosophy of training: you do ME days, DE days and RE days; you train your weaker points to make them stronger; and although Louie Simmons do not believe in periodisation (or so I've heard), there's nothing that says that you can't vary the volume and intensity throughout the year.

    Sheiko is a low intensity, high volume training program. I currently know of 12 different programs: #29, #30, #31, #32, #37, #39, #40, CMS-MS Prep, CMS-MS Prep 2, CMS-MS Comp, plus 2 more programs found on www.joeskopec.com/programs.html. These programs are all inclusive: you just need to follow it to a T. It focuses mainly on the big 3 lifts, but it doesn't have much assistance exercises for the back (no pull-ups or rows). Of course, with the amount of volume in the program, 'they' had to cut somewhere.
    It is a periodized training program: you can see the volume fluctuates through the weeks, and you'd usually use different programs concatenated together to form a prep/comp continuity, such as: #29 (prep), #30 (prep), #32 (comp).

    5x5, aka Bill Starr's, is a very nice program. It includes all 3 lifts + some very important assistance exercises. You squat 3x/wk, bench 2x/wk and deadlift once a week. It is very easy to follow and you can make decent gains on it. It is available in an intermediate linear version, and in an advanced periodized version. The intermediate version is actually periodized (linearly) since you would reset the program after a couple of weeks (when you can no longer increase the weights by 2.5%), and this would give you 2-3 easy weeks.

    Smolov is an overreaching program. I did the mistake of doing this program and overestimating my capacities... I failed miserably. I thought I could do it while adding a bunch of squat assistance exercises + heavy bench days, and the result is that I failed to overcompensate at the end. Althought the first week is fairly easy, it becomes hard very quickly on the 2nd and 3rd week. You can also apply the principles of Smolov to bench and deadlift, but not at the same time obviously. There is also a Smolov Jr version, which is often used for the bench; it is slightly easier. Contrarily to 5x5 or Sheiko or Westside, you could not do Smolov over and over. It is more something you'd try a few times a year.
    I'm thoroughly convinced that you are the smartest person on this forum. People with rep power, please rep this guy.

    It sounds like you favor 5X5, correct?

  29. #29
    Registered User swolegantor's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2008
    Location: Ajax, Ontario, Canada
    Age: 28
    Posts: 3,520
    Rep Power: 1072
    swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) swolegantor has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit swolegantor's BodySpace
    swolegantor is offline
    Cannibal doesent "favour" anything Ill tell you that right now.

    As far as what you should be doing...yes 5x5 would probably be the most suitable.

    however the concepts of "westside" ( I hate using that term) can be applied to a begginer.
    It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most responsive to change.

  30. #30
    Registered User The_cannibal's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2007
    Location: Canada
    Age: 43
    Posts: 1,065
    BodyPoints: 2808
    Rep Power: 5167
    The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) The_cannibal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit The_cannibal's BodySpace
    The_cannibal is offline
    Originally Posted by JHogg11 View Post
    I'm thoroughly convinced that you are the smartest person on this forum. People with rep power, please rep this guy.

    It sounds like you favor 5X5, correct?
    Each program has its virtues, however, for an intermediate lifter, I'd say 5x5 (Bill Starr's) is one of the easiest program to understand and follow. Sheiko and Westside both require more "self-planning".

Closed Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Home Store Products Careers Help Contact Us Terms of Use Checkout