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    Low Testosterone

    Hey everyone,

    I've been enjoying all the great insights from this forum for a few weeks now. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to offer everyone such great advice!

    I'm been having trouble losing body fat for a while now (never used to be a problem). Along with other symptoms...low sex drive (okay, NO sex drive), foggy thinking, etc...I finally went and got my hormones checked.

    Thyroid panel was fine, but I was very low in testosterone. Anyone have experience with this? I'm wondering if it's the reason I can't lose body fat? This will sound strange, but I was almost disappointed my thyroid was normal, because I just wanted an answer and a solution. My Dr. treats with testosterone pellets, and I'm thinking of doing it, so I was wondering if anyone has done this and were you finally able to shed some body fat after your testosterone was back to normal?

    Insights, experience, advice would be much appreciated!
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    I see no one has added any insights, so will offer an opinion. Can't hurt to get the tablets. Don't know if it is a lifelong comittment, that may be a bit scary. But if it works, it works. I say you give it a go and report back.
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    Heres an article I happen to have found on the subject. Your low testosterone seems like a very likly cause of your problem with losing fat.

    The forgotten symptoms of low testosterone levels...
    Are you having a hard time building new muscle? Do you suffer from low sex drive, constant tiredness, depression, or a loss of strength? If so, low testosterone levels could be the problem.

    Many think of low testosterone as something that just affects older men. However, men in their 30's and 40's also fall prey to low testosterone counts. According to the FDA, more than four million men suffer from low testosterone levels. Yet, 95 out of 100 men fail to seek treatment - often because they just accept the symptoms as a "normal" part of getting older.

    Low testosterone levels
    Testosterone is produced mainly in the Leydig cells in the male testes, and in smaller amounts by the adrenal gland near the kidneys. In women, where production is about one-tenth the total of males, roughly one-half comes from the ovaries. For men, the normal level of testosterone in the bloodstream is between 350 and 1230 nanograms per deciliter.

    The production of testosterone increases rapidly at the onset of puberty. Once you reach middle age, however, testosterone levels begin to drop by about one percent each year. In the short-term, this might not sound like much. By the time you reach your 70's and 80's, this constant decline increases the risk of obesity, brittle bones, muscle loss and impotence. Very low testosterone levels can also increase your risk of dying from a heart attack.

    Although it's considered as a male hormone, women need testosterone too. Despite the fact they only produce a small amount, testosterone helps women maintain the strength of muscle and bone. After the menopause, testosterone levels drop. Estrogen replacement therapy can also reduce testosterone levels, leaving some postmenopausal women concerned about a lack of energy and libido.

    Testosterone is a hormone that's also very important for people wanting to shed fat while preserving (or even gaining) lean muscle. In fact, hormones such as testosterone are one reason why you can lose weight on the scales without being able to shift the fat that seems to be glued to your stomach.

    Think of a hormone like the remote control for your television. In much the same way that you change the channel using the remote control, hormones can change the way your fat cells respond to the food you eat.

    Your body has billions of these tiny fat cells. They expand to many times their original size in order to store fat. They also shrink when they release stored fat. Fat cells respond to hormones in one of two ways, depending on whether the signal is lipogenic or lipolytic.

    The term lipo means fat, while lysis means breakdown. So, a lipolytic (pronounced lip-o-lit-ik) hormone increases the number of fat calories burned for energy. Hormones that promote fat storage, on the other hand, are known as lipogenic (pronounced lie-po-jen-ik). In other words, lipogenic hormones promote fat storage.

    Fat loss
    Testosterone affects fat loss in one of two ways [2]. Just like a car, your fat cells have a series of brakes and accelerators. The parts of a fat cell that accelerate the release of fat are called beta-receptors. The parts of a fat cell that put the brakes on fat loss are known as alpha- receptors.

    The distribution of brakes and accelerators on each fat cell is one reason why certain parts of your body shed fat faster than others. Women, for example, often have a hard time losing fat from their hips. That's because the fat cells in that area have a higher ratio of alpha- to beta-receptors.

    If a fat cell has more beta-receptors, it will release stored fat more quickly than one with fewer beta-receptors. That's where testosterone appears to help. By increasing the number of beta-receptors, testosterone makes it easier to lose stored fat.

    What's more, testosterone can also limit the storage of fat. When fat cells are exposed to testosterone in a test tube, the activity of lipoprotein lipase ? an enzyme that promotes fat storage ? is dramatically reduced.

    To see whether the same thing happens in the human body, researchers from Sweden gave a group of overweight older men supplemental testosterone (in the form of a pill or an injection) for six weeks [7]. When it was measured after just one week, lipoprotein lipase activity in abdominal fat tissue dropped. Even more dramatic changes were seen six weeks later. Waist size also dropped in 9 of the 11 men.

    Further research confirms the positive effect of testosterone on body composition in older men [5]. The men were aged between 65 and 87. All had low levels of free testosterone, and were treated with either transdermal testosterone (two 2.5 milligram patches per day) or fake patches containing no testosterone.

    After 12 months, free testosterone levels in the group using the patches rose by 75%. There was no change in the group given the fake patches. Subjects using the testosterone patches also lost fat, with the average body fat percentage dropping from 26.3% to 24.6%.

    A long-term study also confirms that men with low testosterone levels are more likely to develop a pot belly [6]. More than 100 Japanese-American men took part in the research. A number of measurements, including total body fat and testosterone levels, were taken at the start of the study. The same measurements were taken again seven years later. Body fat increased to a greater extent in the men starting the study with low testosterone levels.

    The link between hormones and body fat applies to women as well as men. Specifically, researchers from Yale have uncovered a link between a hormone known as cortisol and abdominal fat in otherwise slender women [4]. In other words, women who secrete more cortisol in response to stress also have more abdominal fat.

    Testing
    While a blood test is one of the most common ways to measure testosterone levels, there are several less invasive methods currently available. For instance, some research shows that analyzing saliva is an accurate way to test for low testosterone levels.

    Testosterone travels around your bloodstream in two forms ? free testosterone or bound testosterone. Roughly two percent of total testosterone is made up of free testosterone, which is the most "active" form. The rest is attached to sex hormone-binding globulin (known as SHBG) and other proteins [3].

    In aging men, it's possible for total testosterone to appear normal, while free testosterone is actually low. If you do get your testosterone levels measured, make sure to ask for a reading of both total and free testosterone.

    While a blood or saliva test is a more accurate way of establishing your levels of testosterone, you can also use The Saint Louis University Androgen Deficiency in Aging Men (ADAM) Questionnaire. Dr. John Morley, a researcher with the Saint Louis University School of Medicine, developed the self-screening tool to help identify symptoms of low testosterone in men. Choose the responses below that best describe how you have been feeling.

    1. Do you have a decrease in libido (sex drive)?
    2. Do you have a lack of energy?
    3. Do you have a decrease in strength and/or endurance?
    4. Have you lost height?
    5. Have you noticed a decreased "enjoyment of life"?
    6. Are you sad and/or grumpy?
    7. Are your erections less strong?
    8. Have you noticed a deterioration in your ability to play sports?
    9. Are you falling asleep after dinner?
    10. Has there been a recent deterioration in your work performance?

    If you answer yes to question one or seven, or at least three of the other questions you may have low testosterone levels.

    Mood
    Another common sign of low testosterone is a change in mood and behavior. You find it very easy to get angry at trivial incidents. Things you used to enjoy now seem like chores. Life no longer seems to be an endless stream of possibilities.

    When men who cannot produce testosterone come off hormone replacement therapy, they become irritable and depressed. Their mood improves when they resume treatment.

    In fact, some researchers think that low testosterone levels are one reason why some men become grumpy, nervous and irritable as they age. Stress can also cause men of any age to experience a drop in testosterone levels.

    The reason is that certain regions of your brain are "loaded" with receptors for testosterone. In fact, men with depression have free testosterone levels almost 20% lower than normal [1]. In contrast, high levels of testosterone lift your mood, giving you a feeling of well-being.

    If you do have a blood test, remember that testosterone levels are generally higher in the morning and lower in the evening. However, the degree to which testosterone levels vary during the day is reduced as you age. There are also peaks and troughs during the year. Testosterone levels reach a high during June and July, and drop during winter and early spring [8].

    If you're concerned that you have low testosterone levels, I've written a special report called The Best Natural Ways to Raise Your Testosterone Levels. It draws on the latest findings from over 70 studies, and reveals how to boost low testosterone levels by making changes to what you eat and how you exercise.

    Changing your diet and exercise routine isn't going to work for everyone, especially if your testosterone levels are low because of congenital problems (such as deficiencies of male hormones and rare malformation syndromes) or chronic illness, drug use, or removal of or trauma to the testicles. It's also important to remember that changes to your diet and exercise routine will not elevate your testosterone levels to the same extent as testosterone injections.

    However, if you've ruled out other causes, and you'd like to take a safer, more natural approach to raising your testosterone levels, you can download The Best Natural Ways to Raise Your Testosterone Levels here.

    http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/test.htm
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    Tiffy Sugar,

    Thanks for the great article. I guess I will give it a go and report back the effects, good or bad.
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    Well there are a number of guys in the OV35 forum who have low test. Might see what they have to say. Just make a huge point that you are a woman.
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    Here is a link to an article. I am a male that has been on HRT for 3 or 4 years now. There are drawbacks to each type of treatment (oral, topical gel, IM injection). Make sure you read the part in this article about how much testosterone a normal male produces as opposed to a female. Watch out for virilization. HTH ....


    http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Truth-...omen&id=158936

    From wiki ....
    Virilization in a woman can manifest as clitoral enlargement, increased muscle strength, acne, hirsutism, frontal hair thinning, deepening of the voice, and menstrual disruption due to anovulation. Some of the possible causes of virilization in women are:

    Polycystic ovary syndrome
    Androgen-producing tumors of the
    ovaries
    adrenal glands
    pituitary gland
    Hypothyroidism
    Anabolic steroid exposure
    Congenital adrenal hyperplasia due to 21-hydroxylase deficiency (late-onset)
    Hormone replacement therapy (female-to-male)
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    My experience with most having low-t issues is because of estrogen dominance. Especially as a female, this is very likely your problem from the sounds of it.
    Where are you having trouble losing your fat?? If it's in the legs/triceps, it's likely an estrogen problem as these are common estrogen binding sites. I'm not talking about E2 (the good stuff), and talking about E4 & specifically E16. Environmental estrogens (or xenoestrogens) mimic estrogen in your body and bind to these sites specifically.
    Have you looked into an estrogen detox at all??
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    Originally Posted by CoachShredder View Post
    My experience with most having low-t issues is because of estrogen dominance. Especially as a female, this is very likely your problem from the sounds of it.
    Where are you having trouble losing your fat?? If it's in the legs/triceps, it's likely an estrogen problem as these are common estrogen binding sites. I'm not talking about E2 (the good stuff), and talking about E4 & specifically E16. Environmental estrogens (or xenoestrogens) mimic estrogen in your body and bind to these sites specifically.
    Have you looked into an estrogen detox at all??
    very good point. its like a see-saw; high testosterone - low estrogen / low testosterone - high estrogen. action-reaction. rather than treating the testosterone issue by raising it artificially, maybe try lowing the E and see if the T comes back up in range. HRT should be your last resort if possible. sometimes dr.'s are in a rush to push HRT rather than getting to the bottom of the issue. good luck!
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    OP,

    I've had many of my female clients balance out their estrogen (and thus naturally increasing there testosterone) by adequately detoxing estrogen.
    The supplements:
    calcium d-glucarate
    Diindolylmethane (DIM)
    Sulforaphane
    along with supplemental fiber

    have yielded unbelievable results for the issue you're experiencing. You can buy this stack, but I've found it conveniently in a product called Adonis. You can find it at: www.buyadonis.com

    There's also a ton of info on there for you to learn more about the issue of excessive estrogen
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    I'm 20yrs old and I think that my testosterone levels are low. I dont feel masculine at all. My workout partner and compared ourselves and he was so much bigger than me. His chest was bigand firm, and mine was slim and jiggly. If you look at my Bodspace, Im not fat you can tell I have muscle, but its not solid. My forearms, hands, legs, feet, arms, shoulders, neck, etc are smaller than most guys I see. Skinny guys are sometimes stronger than me. I took testosterone pills when I was 18years old. Could that have had an effect on me? Is there anyway to recipricate it? I feel like im a "look strong but not strong" kinda guy. Please help, I wanna get this taken care of. Ive been lifting for 3yrs now.
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    I am getting my second test panel tested. A year ago my previous dr supposedly got the results back and just said they were fine. However the symptoms of Low T are evident, been this way for years. When on test boosters I can feel the difference, so we will see. Has anyone else been tested for Low T and it came back fine however you still have Low T symptoms?
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    Low Test Level

    Originally Posted by Needatuneup View Post
    Hey everyone,

    I've been enjoying all the great insights from this forum for a few weeks now. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to offer everyone such great advice!

    I'm been having trouble losing body fat for a while now (never used to be a problem). Along with other symptoms...low sex drive (okay, NO sex drive), foggy thinking, etc...I finally went and got my hormones checked.

    Thyroid panel was fine, but I was very low in testosterone. Anyone have experience with this? I'm wondering if it's the reason I can't lose body fat? This will sound strange, but I was almost disappointed my thyroid was normal, because I just wanted an answer and a solution. My Dr. treats with testosterone pellets, and I'm thinking of doing it, so I was wondering if anyone has done this and were you finally able to shed some body fat after your testosterone was back to normal?

    Insights, experience, advice would be much appreciated!
    I had my Test checked - lowest the doctor had seen for my age (45). I tried the cream - it helped. Then. I tried shots. Sweet Jesus. My muscle size went to the same size it was in my late 20s, strength went way up, much leaner, chase the wife around the house all the time because I was horny again, and overall, it's been amazing. I need to cut back though - I'm getting the acne.
    But, if you really want results, and can give yourself a shot in the butt with a thick 22 gauge needle, seriously, it's amazing.
    I am about to do a very detailed blood work up to see if we can determine why my natural test is so low, but for now, I look great and feel great. I think the wife has had enough though...
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    Originally Posted by Needatuneup View Post
    Hey everyone,

    I've been enjoying all the great insights from this forum for a few weeks now. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to offer everyone such great advice!

    I'm been having trouble losing body fat for a while now (never used to be a problem). Along with other symptoms...low sex drive (okay, NO sex drive), foggy thinking, etc...I finally went and got my hormones checked.

    Thyroid panel was fine, but I was very low in testosterone. Anyone have experience with this? I'm wondering if it's the reason I can't lose body fat? This will sound strange, but I was almost disappointed my thyroid was normal, because I just wanted an answer and a solution. My Dr. treats with testosterone pellets, and I'm thinking of doing it, so I was wondering if anyone has done this and were you finally able to shed some body fat after your testosterone was back to normal?

    Insights, experience, advice would be much appreciated!
    Very typical. Could be many reasons. Try the cream first. I upgraded to the shots and feel 20 years younger, and without any heavy workouts, my arms are over 17" again - 1st time in 10 years. I'm 6'3" and 225, 45 years old. I am shocked at the quick positive changes, but my wife is getting tired of me chasing her around the house all the time (versus pre-cream or shots, where I had ZERO interest). But, I'm getting the body acne and need to cut back.
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    would a high body fat percantage also contribute to low test levels?
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    I would get throughly checked for PCOS. Even ladies who have gone through the change can have PCOS.
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