Are BCAAs effective on a cut?

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Still debating on whether to get BCAAs or not for my first cut... Im struggling on the hunger issues now, and I'm looking for something to drink that will fill me a bit when I'm hungry. I'm pretty much settled on ICE esp with it having 90 servings..

[-Aaron-]

No, especially when you are getting adequate protein throughout the day.

[iannotti]

No, especially when you are getting adequate protein throughout the day.

wow....... VERY UNTRUE.. There's a good book called "nutrient timing" go buy a copy...

[-Aaron-]

wow....... VERY UNTRUE.. There's a good book called "nutrient timing" go buy a copy...

I'm sorry, I use science rather than broscience like you.

[Rodzilla]

they won't fill you..if anything the flavoring may make you a bit hungrier. AND they will add calories. I don't see anything wrong with using them, but I wouldn't make it your new crystal light.

[bartenda]

I actually sipped on BCAAs a lot when I was hungry on a cut, its more satisfying than water because they taste way more delicious

[MrOneEyedBoh]

so you say to drink basically water on a cut and thats it? add in some crystal light and call it a day? ( with BCAAs supplementation once or twice during the day ? )

I plan on filling a gallon jug and drinking it at work.

[iannotti]

Still debating on whether to get BCAAs or not for my first cut... Im struggling on the hunger issues now, and I'm looking for something to drink that will fill me a bit when I'm hungry. I'm pretty much settled on ICE esp with it having 90 servings..

Yes, and Xtreme Formulations ICE is a very good product. On a cut, I take it you'll be around or slighlty less than 1 gram of protein per lb. 5 grams of BCAA between meals with about 2.5 grams of creatine would help. However, your diet has to be spot on.

[iannotti]

I'm sorry, I use science rather than broscience like you.

Nutrient Timing is back up my NUMEROUS scientific studies. No use rationalizing with the uneducated...

[-Aaron-]

Nutrient Timing is back up my NUMEROUS scientific studies.

Oh, the "anabolic window" that was proven bunk? I bet you feel the need to "spike insulin" too?

Edit: I see you support Biotest, the king of kings about broscience.

[joakman]

You gotta megadose

[iannotti]

Oh, the "anabolic window" that was proven bunk? I bet you feel the need to "spike insulin" too?

Bunk? That is fact bucko..Muscles become insulin sensitive following exercise.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

cmon guys no arguing lets keep this to a yes no and explanation thread. not a debate.

[Elliptical Envy]

Some swear by them while others believe that protein intake is sufficient. If you are really concerned about hunger on a cut then increase your activity so you can increase your calories and still be in a calorie deficit. That way is probably more difficult, but at least you will be able to eat more.

I wish there was an other option on the poll so I could be difficult.

[-Aaron-]

Bunk? That is fact bucko..Muscles become insulin sensitive following exercise.

The same insulin sensitivity that lasts up to 48 hours post exercise?

[Adjusting]

It depends. You can go more hypocaloric and use bcaa's to offset such low cals. Or you can just focus on whole protein (if it's do-able), which is better overall on a cut.

[devo09]

The same insulin sensitivity that lasts up to 48 hours post exercise?

link to study? i've noticed that i am WAY more sensitive to insulin post-workout than any other time

[iannotti]

The same insulin sensitivity that lasts up to 48 hours post exercise?

Read the book..If you have any other questions ask me afterwards

[iannotti]

link to study? i've noticed that i am WAY more sensitive to insulin post-workout than any other time

Of coarse you are.....

[devo09]

Of coarse you are.....

I'm a T1D bud, my carb-insulin ratio is different post-workout. Less insulin for same amount of carbs= more sensitive

[bartenda]

so you say to drink basically water on a cut and thats it? add in some crystal light and call it a day? ( with BCAAs supplementation once or twice during the day ? )

I plan on filling a gallon jug and drinking it at work.

i drink 2 gallons of water per day regardless

[dvsness]

Define effective. Aminos are useful before morning cardio or perhaps between lifting and cardio. I think they are best when dosed low - they do spike insulin and wouldn't taking too much cause gluconeogenesis anyway? Fwiw, I take aminos before my morning cardio (not BCAA, I use Humino MAAX tabs) as an insurance policy against losing muscle. I do not take them any other time of day.

[-Aaron-]

link to study? i've noticed that i am WAY more sensitive to insulin post-workout than any other time

Read the book..If you have any other questions ask me afterwards

Here you go:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15761746

A single session of resistance exercise enhances insulin sensitivity for at least 24 h in healthy men.
Koopman R, Manders RJ, Zorenc AH, Hul GB, Kuipers H, Keizer HA, van Loon LJ.

Department of Human Biology, Maastricht University, The Netherlands. R.Koopman@HB.unimaas.nl

The aim of the present study was to determine whether a single session of resistance exercise improves whole-body insulin sensitivity in healthy men for up to 24 h. Twelve male subjects (23 +/- 1 years) were studied over a period of 4 days during which they consumed a standardized diet, providing 0.16 +/- 0.01 MJ.kg(-1).day(-1) containing 15 +/- 0.1 energy% (En%) protein, 29 +/ -0.1 En% fat and 55 +/- 0.3 En% carbohydrate. Insulin sensitivity was determined 24 h before and 24 h after a single resistance exercise session (8 sets of 10 repetitions at 75% of 1 repetition maximum for two leg exercise tasks) using an intravenous insulin tolerance test. Insulin sensitivity index was calculated by the decline in arterial blood glucose concentration following intravenous administration of a single bolus of human insulin (0.075 IU.kg(-1) fat free mass). Basal glucose and insulin concentrations were not changed up to 24 h after the resistance exercise. However, a substantial 13+/-5% improvement in whole-body insulin sensitivity was observed, 24 h after the resistance exercise (P < 0.05). This study shows that even a single session of resistance exercise improves whole-body insulin sensitivity for up to 24 h in healthy men, which is consistent with earlier observations following endurance exercise tasks.

[Elliptical Envy]

Define effective. Aminos are useful before morning cardio or perhaps between lifting and cardio. I think they are best when dosed low - they do spike insulin and wouldn't taking too much cause gluconeogenesis anyway? Fwiw, I take aminos before my morning cardio (not BCAA, I use Humino MAAX tabs) as an insurance policy against losing muscle. I do not take them any other time of day.

Do you know how many grams of BCAAs it would take to cause gluconeogenesis?

[-Aaron-]

Do you know how many grams of BCAAs it would take to cause gluconeogenesis?

Well, the rate people megadose this stuff, I would suspect one water bottle.

[Elliptical Envy]

Well, the rate people megadose this stuff, I would suspect one water bottle.

True, but if we are talking about doing cardio on an empty stomach then I do wonder how many grams or is there a grams/kg formula that has been created

I know people have said .17g/kg for a proper dose of BCAAs a while back, but that wasn't GNG (too lazy to type the word).

[ilyrian]

I have always taken them on cuts, I always saw them as especially more useful on cuts but I would love to be proven wrong, it would save me $$

[BlueFenix13S]

I find BCAA's highly effective for reducing DOMS, especially on leg days since I work on my feet 5-10 hours a day. As for muscle preservation, idk. No cutting for me, so my only experience will be from maintenance calories or higher.

I do 4-6 scoops of Xtend during my workout and 4 scoops during work.

[-Aaron-]

I find BCAA's highly effective for reducing DOMS, especially on leg days since I work on my feet 5-10 hours a day. As for muscle preservation, idk. No cutting for me, so my only experience will be from maintenance calories or higher.

I do 4-6 scoops of Xtend during my workout and 4 scoops during work.

It's your diet that reduces D.O.M.S, not the sudden intake of three amino's.

Do extra amino acids help, well, yes... I would rather use whey that contain all essential amino's for growth though.

[BlueFenix13S]

It's your diet that reduces D.O.M.S, not the sudden intake of three amino's.

Do extra amino acids help, well, yes... I would rather use whey that contain all essential amino's for growth though.

To a point I agree, but (call it a placebo if you want) I haven't changed my diet much lately, and after re-introducing BCAA's I can feel the difference.

BTW, how is your study coming along?