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    feel like **** ever workout

    so I can't even remember the last time I worked out and didn't feel like **** or feeling like I was gonna throw up. I mean I still always finish my workout but it would be nice if I could workout without wanting to die lol.

    I thinks it only happens when I do high volume and high reps but that's all I do these days cause my body reponds to it the best so kinds screwed in that aspect.

    I have tried eating different things, varying the times of my pre workout meal, eating no pre workout meal

    Maybe it's my during workout drink? I usually drink Gatorade powder/pw or dextrose and isolate. I'm gonna try straight water next workout

    Also I always feel fine during Cardio (liss or hiit) and I drink the same thing

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    I have to work out on an empty stomach or I feel the same.
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    90 minutes pre - 1 cup oats, 1 scoop whey, 2 tbsp peanut butter

    30 minutes pre- 6 oz lite yogurt + GG

    30 minutes pre - sip on preworkout, finishing as i pull into the driveway

    intraworkout - 1 scoop intrabolic

    post-workout - 2 scoops whey (maybe a banana)

    i never feel sick or anything, and i'm always amped and ready to go
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    Originally Posted by AConrad00 View Post
    90 minutes pre - 1 cup oats, 1 scoop whey, 2 tbsp peanut butter

    30 minutes pre- 6 oz lite yogurt + GG

    30 minutes pre - sip on preworkout, finishing as i pull into the driveway

    intraworkout - 1 scoop intrabolic

    post-workout - 2 scoops whey (maybe a banana)

    i never feel sick or anything, and i'm always amped and ready to go


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    Read this and you will know why:

    Originally Posted by Dr. Houser
    PRE/PERI/POST-WORKOUT
    SUPPLEMENTATION
    PART I


    BACKGROUND

    Now, much of what I will write about will vary based on a number of factors: goals, time of day you work out, intensity, etc... BUT STILL NOT BY MUCH!

    Bodybuilders hit the nail on the head suggesting multiple feedings could increase metabolism (again eons before the science world caught up - just the science world provided the rationale later on). How could you attempt to measure this without lab values? Hunger pangs is your answer. Hunger pangs are best thought of as a preliminary starvation warning. The faster the metabolism, the more often the warning. In general, when you stick with an optimal nutrition program, you shouldn't feel hunger pangs - except just prior to the workout - as you should be eating frequently enough to avoid them.

    Now, there is something worth noting here, however. Hunger pangs can generally be relieved by a bout of moderate-to-intense resistance exercise and that training performance is enhanced when you train on an empty stomach.

    Consider the practice of training hungry a vital tool in all resistance-exercise programs. In the simplest of terms, resistance exercise and eating DON'T MIX. Moreover, hunger pangs alone should not dictate when you eat. In fact the sensation of hunger has absolutely NOTHING to do with intelligently timed eating.

    For example, many experts consider the post exercise meal to be the most important meal of the day, as it's essential that trainees get recovery energy as soon as possible following a workout. The replacement of expended energy and the maintenance of a positive nitrogen balance are critical.

    There's another reason to eat after you train: exercise soothes hunger pangs. In other words, your not hungry which makes it an excellent time to eat.

    So, where did this whole business of "pre-workout" nutrients stem? We'll get there soon enough.

    BIOLOGICAL RATIONALE

    It is also important to note that training hungry has important biological value. When you eat, the food travels to the small intestine, where almost all digestion occurs. The conversion and use of broken-down nutrients becomes a priority to the body. In order to transport these newly absorbed nutrients to various organs and tissues, the blood vessels in and around muscle tissues CONSTRICT, while the vessels in and around the digestive system DILATE. This forces blood AWAY FROM muscles and toward the digestive system, minimizing oxygen and nutrients going to the muscles. Imagine what happens when you eat just before you train. Digestion occurs at the same time you perform the activity. This results in a tug-of-warbetween your muscles and digestive system, both desperately in need of increased blood flow.

    What happens as a result? Exercise is more taxing and digestion is compromised. Neither activity receives adequate oxygen and nutrients. What are typical signs of this tug-of-war?

    --> excessive rapid breathing
    --> abnormally high exercise
    heart rate (one of reasons
    sudden cardiac death)
    --> nausea
    --> dizziness

    The degree of discomfort and severity of the symptoms vary according to your intensity. And all can be avoided by omitting the pre-workout meal.

    THE ORIGIN OF THE PRE-WORKOUT MEAL

    I have to think the rationale for this comes from a number of places:

    --> "Mr. natural" (the guy who need
    not worry about lifting in
    the first place, let alone
    nutrition who has been sipping
    Gatorade throughout his
    workouts from the beginning)
    --> The classic Ectomorph (who too,
    need not worry in technical
    about a lot with the exception
    of eating and eating more)
    --> The aerobic fanatic (original
    studies considering this type
    of nutrition were done with
    cyclists and runners, NOT
    weight trainers)

    No matter the origin, while it looks good on paper - it has shown mixed reviews in the journals - especially with its application to the weight trained/improved body composition athlete.

    While glycogen levels and the obvious have been shown to remain increased throughout the workout with a meal within 1 hour prior to training (DUH!!), is this really advantageous for body composition goals? Well, I'll sure give you the fact that you may have an increased ability to throw around more weight -- but again, this too is limited. There will always be an upper limit to how much you can lift. You will still only be able to go so heavy before you risk a rupture, annihilate a joint, or risk required lengthy periods of absence from the gym, thereby halting progress anyway.
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    Cont.

    Originally Posted by Dr. Houser
    THE CORTISOL ERA

    Ugh...

    Talk about the most misunderstood and unfortunately, abused hormones by the supplement industry today. One of the proposals for the importance of pre-workout nutrition has been its anti-catabolic capabilities via suppression of cortisol if it is not increasing energy output via increased glycogen concentration (which remains rate-limited).

    The problem with the aforementioned thinking is, the effects of cortisol aren't all bad. Some of its actions are positive and tend to help BUILD muscle. So instead of looking for ways to suppress cortisol secretion, you should strive for dynamic cortisol control.

    1st PARADOX: CORTISOL AND FAT

    I will avoid its abuse as a fat-loss supplement which is beyond the scope of this topic. However, it is worth mentioning one or two points here to illustrate how poorly understood it is.

    In a test tube, cortisol is shown to be lipolytic, although people who are obliged to use synthetic cortisol to treat various illnesses build up fat at a tremendous rate, even if their diets don't change. It's almost impossible to get rid of fat gained due to synthetic glucocorticoids, so, if there's a rationale for suppressing cortisol, its the hormone's effect on adiposity.

    The amazing thing is that suppressing cortisol production won't make you any leaner. That's the first paradox of cortisol. An excess of cortisol will make you fat; a lack of it, if anything, will also make you fat.

    2nd PARADOX: CORTISOL AND CATABOLISM

    It's true that studies have shown that animals or sedentary people given cortisol see their muscle mass shrink. Muscle cells contain receptors that bind to cortisol. When that happens, it activates a very strong proteolytic pathway called the ATP-dependent ubiquitin/proteasome pathway which causes the body to literally eat its own muscles.

    The good news is that weight training impairs some of the direct catabolic actions of cortisol. By putting regular tension on your muscles, your prevent the muscle cortisol receptors from working properly. It isn't a complete inhibition, though, because training tends to stimulate cortisol release. That's the second paradox of cortisol: training both reduces cortisol's direct catabolic impact on muscle and increases the body's secretion of it. The more you train, the less cortisol-based muscle loss you'll experience. Unfortunately, more training also means more cortisol secretion, and the extra cortisol overrrides the natural defense exerted by training. Well, wait a minute - what exactly am I trying to prove then? Be patient.

    CORTISOL AND ANABOLISM

    Another nasty effect of cortisol is that it slows the anabolic drive. Part of that antianabolic action is mediated directly through the muscle cortisol receptors, and training prevents that action. The problem is that another part of cortisol's antianabolic activity is indirect. Cortisol inhibits the release of numerous anabolic hormones, including GH, IGF-1, and testosterone. It has also been shown to fight the androgen receptor upregulation induced by nontraumatic workouts.

    While training can partially inhibit some of the direct antianabolic effects of cortisol by impairing cortisol receptor responses, such preventative effects are localized in the trained muscles only. Training cannot overcome the unwelcome indirect effects of cortisol on the various anabolic hormones. What the heck am I trying to prove here? Again, be patient.

    CORTISOL SUPPRESSION

    If cortisol can promote protein degradation and at the same time impair protein synthesis, you'd be wise to get rid of it by any means necessary, including the idea pre-workout nutrition, wouldn't you? There's some scientific basis to that reasoning. Animal-based studies reveal that suppressing the release of cortisol or inhibiting its actions by blocking cortisol receptors leads to increased muscle mass.

    Example:
    Canadian Study

    4 groups:
    Group #1: 10 rats (control)
    Group #2: 10 rats (severely burned)
    Group #3: 10 rats (burned +
    given RU486 - abortion
    pill that blocks cortisol
    receptors)
    Group #4: 10 rats (uninjured + RU486)

    Which group had the most muscle at the end of the experiment? Group #3, even more than Group #4. That means that RU486 not only eliminates the muscle loss due to stress, but it also promotes muscle gains. The problem with this study is that as with most of supplement company ads, rats don't respond to cortisol in the same way that humans do, so the results proved to not necessarily apply to humans.

    Bodybuilders have used this synthetic cortisol receptor blocker without much success, and RU486's failure was attributed to its properties that stimulate cortisol release. When cortisol receptors are blocked, the body rapidly increases its cortisol production until the blocking properties of RU486 are overwhelmed.

    Many attribute the potent muscle-building effects of anabolic effects fo anabolic steroids to their so-called ability to block cortisol receptors. That's unlikely to be true, however, as most studies have failed to demonstrate a connection between androgens and cortisol receptors.

    This kind of blocking the cortisol receptor effect has also been propsed in the anticatabolic mechanism of action proposed by some researchers of the pre-workout meal. Well, what then is the explaination for why many bodybuilders who partake in this activity are unable to pack on muscle mass.

    CORTISOL AND PROTEIN ABSORPTION

    Scientists have known for a long time that eating a meal triggers the RELEASE OF CORTISOL. They've also discovered that proteins are the most potent cortisol releasers of the macronutrients. So the more protein you eat, the more cortisol release you trigger. Scientists have now uncovered the pathways used by proteins to induce cortisol secretion, and they figured out how to block them. It's easy to do - you just block your alpha-1-adrenergic receptors.

    Giving alpha-1 blockers to humans before a protein meal blunts cortisol release, but it also blunts protein absorption. The sad-but-true fact is that you need cortisol in order to assimilate your dietary proteins properly. It's also a fact that the protein-induced cortisol rise is very short, unlike stress-induced cortisol secretions.

    So lets suggest you have protein in your pre-workout meal, you do not suppress cortisol, in fact, you increase it. This synergistically combines with the stress-induced cortisol production to make you even that much more catabolic. But wouldn't ingestion of protein have a greater effect on suppression of stress-induced cortisol production? Actually, because you have solely a short-term increase of cortisol post-protein ingestion...stress-induced + protein-ingestion has been shown to have additive properties.

    Well, isn't sipping a protein drink or drink like Surge ok DURING the workout at least? We'll get to peri-workout ingestion in the next installment.

    CORTISOL AS ANTI-INFLAMMATORY

    Some effects of cortisol are very beneficial to bodybuilders. Weight training induces various degrees of trauma to the muscle fibers, damage that triggers some inflammatory reactions. The more severe the trauma, the more serious the inflammation, which will cause the body to manufacture more of such harmful substances as tumor necrosis factor (TNF). The muscles have TNF receptors, and when the TNF molecule activates a receptor, it activates the ubiquitin/proteasome catabolic pathway. In other words, TNF has an almost direct catabolic effect on muscle cells. Cortisol can inhibit the TNF secretion due to an inflammation, which means that cortisol possesses both catabolic and anticatabolic properties. If you suppress cortisol release, your body will manufacture more TNF and the catabolic effect of cortisol will be unopposed.

    Whoa! Think about it then, if we ingest protein, we increase cortisol, thereby decreasing TNF...problem solved, right? - gimme my pre-workout drink. Hang on still, because it is that complex. Interestingly enough, it has been shown that post-protein digestion cortisol secretion has NO effect on TNF, whereas stress-induced cortisol does.

    CONTROLLING CORTISOL SECRETION

    Your goal is NOT to INHIBIT normal cortisol secretion, but to CONTROL its secretion and effects, but after this discussion - I am not sure I cleared up how to do that.

    Some have had success with taking synthetic cortisol and other exogenous glucocorticoids which strongly inhibits their natural cortisol secretion. Instead of having fluctuating cortisol levels, they establish an artificial baseline. This is tricky though and most likely you are hoping there is a way to control cortisol without resorting to exogenous hormones - hence, why the jump was made to pre-workout nutrition.

    The one thing that is often left out of the equation is anti-inflammatory agents in a pre-workout drink. I am not talking NSAIDs nor massive dosages of BCAA's which is not even economical for most.

    I would love to keep the discussion up, however, I am getting a bit tired of typing for now and will leave you until next time when we see the pre-workout formula perfected as well as "ACCURATE" timing. The principles will conveniently spill over into peri-workout nutrition, which would solely leave us to talk post-workout which will probably be the biggest no-brainer to many of you because it is what has been talked about most frequent - however, look for a few surprises yet still there.
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    So the point of that article is you dont need a pre workout meal?
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    Some of the PAL products mixed with Extenze could be causing an overdose on products which could give you that feeling (Reset-A.D. Pregnenolone's mixed with Extenze's Pregnenolone could cause you to feel weird).
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    Originally Posted by java568 View Post
    Some of the PAL products mixed with Extenze could be causing an overdose on products which could give you that feeling (Reset-A.D. Pregnenolone's mixed with Extenze's Pregnenolone could cause you to feel weird).
    Damn, well ill take my donkey dick and sick workouts then
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    Originally Posted by warbird00 View Post
    Damn, well ill take my donkey dick and sick workouts then
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    Originally Posted by warbird00 View Post
    so I can't even remember the last time I worked out and didn't feel like **** or feeling like I was gonna throw up. I mean I still always finish my workout but it would be nice if I could workout without wanting to die lol.

    I thinks it only happens when I do high volume and high reps but that's all I do these days cause my body reponds to it the best so kinds screwed in that aspect.

    I have tried eating different things, varying the times of my pre workout meal, eating no pre workout meal

    Maybe it's my during workout drink? I usually drink Gatorade powder/pw or dextrose and isolate. I'm gonna try straight water next workout

    Also I always feel fine during Cardio (liss or hiit) and I drink the same thing

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    I bet you notice it most predominately on leg day or back day

    it probably has nothing to do with your meals

    sounds like you are over taxing your nervous system

    your brain and body can keep up just fine but your nervous system being shocked by high volume and intensity can cause all the symtoms you described

    you can tone down the volume or intensity or both and see if that helps, play around with it, see what works for you, then gradually increase it back to where you are now, it shouldnt take too long for it to adapt
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    so I can't even remember the last time I worked out and didn't feel like **** or feeling like I was gonna throw up. I mean I still always finish my workout but it would be nice if I could workout without wanting to die lol.

    I thinks it only happens when I do high volume and high reps but that's all I do these days cause my body reponds to it the best so kinds screwed in that aspect.

    I have tried eating different things, varying the times of my pre workout meal, eating no pre workout meal

    Maybe it's my during workout drink? I usually drink Gatorade powder/pw or dextrose and isolate. I'm gonna try straight water next workout

    Also I always feel fine during Cardio (liss or hiit) and I drink the same thing

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    So the point of that article is you dont need a pre workout meal?
    From what i read thats what its saying.
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    Maybe your company has another FDA approved errection compound in a pre-wo product?
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    Originally Posted by warbird00 View Post
    So the point of that article is you dont need a pre workout meal?
    Well if pre-workout meal is defined as the meal before the workout, yes, you still eat before your workout, however try to keep it at around ~2 hours before your workout and not any closer.
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    Originally Posted by Trans_Isomer View Post
    Well if pre-workout meal is defined as the meal before the workout, yes, you still eat before your workout, however try to keep it at around ~2 hours before your workout and not any closer.
    Remind me to rep you for that article, i found it really interesting
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    Originally Posted by Illadelphia View Post
    Maybe your company has another FDA approved errection compound in a pre-wo product?
    Dude keep your drama out of my thread

    You dont want me to make a "call out thread" about how you never even PMed PaloAltoLabs and jsut said it so you could cause drama would u now?

    Naw but im above that, unlike yourself
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    Originally Posted by CaptMcClain View Post
    I bet you notice it most predominately on leg day or back day

    it probably has nothing to do with your meals

    sounds like you are over taxing your nervous system

    your brain and body can keep up just fine but your nervous system being shocked by high volume and intensity can cause all the symtoms you described

    you can tone down the volume or intensity or both and see if that helps, play around with it, see what works for you, then gradually increase it back to where you are now, it shouldnt take too long for it to adapt
    Well i have been working out strictly legs for 8 months now cause of my surgery so yes, it only happens on leg days

    That does make sense about overtaxing tho. Ill figure something else, jsut high reps makes my legs grow 10x better than low (which doesnt make me feel sick)

    Originally Posted by Npeart View Post
    Classic case of under eating. MOAR calories!
    What?! This happens no matter if i bulk on 4k+ cals or cut on 2.5k

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    You probably have diabetes.
    wat?
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    Originally Posted by warbird00 View Post
    Dude keep your drama out of my thread

    You dont want me to make a "call out thread" about how you never even PMed PaloAltoLabs and jsut said it so you could cause drama would u now?

    Naw but im above that, unlike yourself
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    Originally Posted by Illadelphia View Post
    OH NOEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!


    /intra-thrad drama
    lol, its all good

    Im glad i dont have to resort to makin up stories on the intrawebs to get my jollies in.

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    Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy View Post
    Tranny was that posted on LB?
    No, it was an old one posted at DA. I think me and doc will be working on a new, updated one though soon.

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