All the talk about the biotest product has made me interested in the concept. Obviously the biotest product is way too expensive. Would napalm hold 11keto (SCL Icon)? (I haven't found any solid info on it) Does anyone know the weight?
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08-19-2008, 09:00 AM #1
Napalm + 11keto
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08-19-2008, 02:36 PM #2Thinking of a Master Plan
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Yeah, what are the properties (weight, solubility, etc.) of this compound?
That will determine what can be done with it.
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08-19-2008, 07:30 PM #3
11-keto:
17?-Hydroxy-4-androstene-3,11-dione
17?-Hydroxyandrost-4-ene-3,11-dione
4-Androsten-17?-ol-3,11-dione
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08-19-2008, 08:45 PM #4Banned
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And your point is?Originally Posted by BigCool
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08-20-2008, 09:20 AM #5Wow. Have you read the thread?Originally Posted by Beejis60
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08-20-2008, 06:56 PM #6Keto Maven
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You would probably want to go with a bulk powder over a capsuled product due to all of the fillers. I personally would go with Ergopharm's product orally and do Napalm + clen topically. This is JUST me though...
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08-24-2008, 05:12 PM #7Avant Research/Labs Rep
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The MW is too high but if you wanted to buy some DMSO to make a seperate solution that would work.Originally Posted by BigCool
OTOH,if you are just after spot reduction the GA in Napalm has a signifigant effect WRT lowered cortisol levels.
From the write up:
Glycyrrhetinic acid
Licorice has a lengthy historical association with reduction fat mass and weight loss dating back to the 4th century BC. The Greek physician Theophrastus noted that licorice root granted his patience 'freedom from hunger and thirst'(24), an observation that was reaffirmed in the 1st century BC by Plinius (25). It wasn't until modern technological advancements allowed us to characterize the licorice root in order to reveal the main active ingredient: glycyrrhetinic acid (GA).
These ancient observations are supported thoroughly by modern literature which documents the relationship between GA and 11?-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (11HSD) (26). For our purposes we will concern ourselves with the first of two 11HSD subtypes. 11HSD1 is found in subcutaneous adipocytes in a relatively lesser abundance than it's visceral counterpart (27). However, 11HSB-1 is sufficiently concentrated to perform its primary function and influence the level of cortisol by reactivating the inactive cortisone. A hyperactive mutant form of 11HSD-1 is observed in cases of the pathologically obese, suggesting that inhibition of this enzyme will facilitate reduction in adipocytic mass.
This is where GA performs its duties and helps you get skinny, the ultimate result can be attributed to a few proximate causes. Firstly, the vital role of GA and cortisol. By reducing the local availability of cortisol via 11HSD-1 inhibition (28), GA causes a reduction in the concentration of intracellular triglycerides (29), in addition to impeding the differentiation preadipocytes(30).
The merits for topical applications of GA are not limited to the above, but further investigation also showed the ability for GA to positively affect fat metabolism by inactivating fat lipase and increasing mobilization of adipose stores (31).Avant Research Representative
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08-25-2008, 10:08 AM #8Avant Labs Rep.
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SCT and Eddie did an excellent characterizing the problems and offering solutions, so much so that my two cents are essentially redundant.
However, as was suggested it seems applying Napalm and 11-keto concomitantly does manifest some additional benefits. The issue lies in the application method of the former.
If pure 11-keto is readily available to an individual it would be best applied if immersed into a unique solution and sprayed on. I have no personal experience with this, but anecdotes have reported favorably.Avant Research R&D/Rep
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08-25-2008, 01:08 PM #9Keto Maven
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Derek, you are never redundant my friend!Originally Posted by Stay Puft
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