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    What i think will happen if Russia and USA go to war

    Ok i have been thinking about this and would like to put down my thoughts on the situation. If you disagree fair comment but this is for discusion not for hurling abuse at each other.

    I think that Russia will get Iran and north Korea on their side to fight the Americans. China will in my personal opinion remain neutral.

    It is assummed USA will have all the typical allies. But i live in the U.K and if a war is started within the next few months, i think there is a chance the u.k will not get invloved.

    My reasoning is, at the moment we have our prime minister Gordan Brown, who is taking some real stick from the u.k public, parliment pretty much everyone. And at the moment it is pretty much inevitable that he wil not be re elected. And he knows this, he has even resorted to calling members of the public and asking them what he can do to become a better prime minister. He knows he messed up big time and is willing to do whatever to stay in power.

    So where im going with this is, if the U.K get called to war by the US the one thing that will help Gordan Brown stay in power and win over the public majoirty is by saying no to the US.

    Most people in the UK are not afraid of Iraq or Afghanistan because they pose no hgue threat to our public they have no nukes, planes that can reach the uke.t.c Whereas russia pose a huge threat we are within range of all thier missles nukes e.t.c.

    By gordan brown saying no to the US. He will win so much public support and win over the people who doubted him as a leader.

    Im not sure about other countires but lets assume they participate in the war.

    What i think will happen is eventually is USA will really be dominating the war with allies e.t.c. So Russia will opt to lauch nukes. And the US will retaliate

    This will destroy both countries especially economically for all the money they have to spend restoring the country. And i beleive US will be the first to give up. Due to the fact they have more to lose. From observing political leaders of the countires e.t.c. I think Russian leaders care less about the population than the US.(Except for any area that is populated by african americans)

    So the war will end and becuase of the damage and finacial cost on both sides. Both countries will incur heavy debts and lose much of thier superpower status and China will be officially regognised as the next superpower of the world not the US or Russia.

    And China will take advantage of this to expand even furthur and officially take the role of what the US has been holding as :the superpower of the world.


    : Im not chinese, and have created this post with no bias towards eithier us or russia, this is what i truly beleive will happen if both countries go to war.
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    If the US went to war with Russia and the UK didnt help the US that would be insane. I honestly dont think Russia would be foolish enough to engage the United States in a conventional war. Their outdated military wouldnt be able to hang with us.
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    Originally Posted by swollsooner View Post
    If the US went to war with Russia and the UK didnt help the US that would be insane. I honestly dont think Russia would be foolish enough to engage the United States in a conventional war. Their outdated military wouldnt be able to hang with us.
    If Blair was in power yes it would be insane if we didnt help. Blair was Bush's poodle. But Gordan Brown is a whole diffrent story and from what I have observed i dont think Brown has that sort of bond with the USA that Blair used to have.

    I truly hope that a war does not happen eithier but I am saying if a war does break out what i think will happen.
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    Originally Posted by big_nas View Post
    If Blair was in power yes it would be insane if we didnt help. Blair was Bush's poodle. But Gordan Brown is a whole diffrent story and from what I have observed i dont think Brown has that sort of bond with the USA that Blair used to have.

    I truly hope that a war does not happen eithier but I am saying if a war does break out what i think will happen.
    europe needs the US as an ally and vice versa...we would force europe to help...i honestly cant see them not supporting us...but i would have to say that your assumption of what would happen is very realistic. but using nukes? im pretty sure that would destroy most of the earth due to the large number of icbms the US and Russia both have. thats some dooms day **** lol
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    Originally Posted by swollsooner View Post
    If the US went to war with Russia and the UK didnt help the US that would be insane. I honestly dont think Russia would be foolish enough to engage the United States in a conventional war. Their outdated military wouldnt be able to hang with us.
    ....you really think the aftermath of Russia Vs USA would result in anything close to "victory" for the US?
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    Originally Posted by scouthern View Post
    ....you really think the aftermath of Russia Vs USA would result in anything close to "victory" for the US?
    we would destroy them in a conventional war...russia would have to use nukes if they wanted to beat us...it amazes me that people doubt Americas military....i honestly cant tell you what the aftermath would be...but i know we would not lose
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    china isn't ready to be a superpower yet, for numerous reasons. it still has a lot of economic and political maturing to go.

    i can't imagine what cold-war era generals from both the US and russia would do in their paranoid and trigger happy states should the two go to war.
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    Originally Posted by scouthern View Post
    ....you really think the aftermath of Russia Vs USA would result in anything close to "victory" for the US?
    exactly. Its in my opinion that those countries that remain neutral in this conflict will essentially be the victors. Hence my point regarding China. I dont think it would mean the end of the world becuase the whole world would not be nuked only certain parts that are directly involved int he conflict
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    Originally Posted by ll ReNeGaDe ll View Post
    America would demolish Russia in 3 days.
    yeah just like they did iraq
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    Originally Posted by lirika View Post
    yeah just like they did iraq
    you are a dumbass...we steam rolled iraqs military...we have been fighting insurgents that use civilians as shields, use IED's, and will not fight us face to face...you're an idiot
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    Originally Posted by big_nas View Post
    exactly. Its in my opinion that those countries that remain neutral in this conflict will essentially be the victors. Hence my point regarding China. I dont think it would mean the end of the world becuase the whole world would not be nuked only certain parts that are directly involved int he conflict
    The US would probably win, but they'd be crippled after the war.
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    Originally Posted by big_nas View Post
    exactly. Its in my opinion that those countries that remain neutral in this conflict will essentially be the victors. Hence my point regarding China. I dont think it would mean the end of the world becuase the whole world would not be nuked only certain parts that are directly involved int he conflict
    it would be ugly to say the least...we might win but would be weakened in every other way
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    Originally Posted by swollsooner View Post
    we would destroy them in a conventional war...russia would have to use nukes if they wanted to beat us...it amazes me that people doubt Americas military....i honestly cant tell you what the aftermath would be...but i know we would not lose
    the fact is not regarding winning or losing. Im not doubting Americas military prowess. But are you telling me that Russia are not going to inflict any damage on the USA.

    When Russia start gettin beaten heavily they will decide o.k we have nothing to lose lets get the nukes and ready and even if one or two of the many stockpiles of nukes they have lands on US will mean big problems for the USA.
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    The US would probably win, but they'd be crippled after the war.
    as would Russia
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    What will happen if Russia and U.S. go to war?

    The U.S. will move into Georgia and reestablish the borders. The U.S. will then sue for a white peace because we aren't dumb enough to wage a full out campaign against Russia (attrition hell). Russia will accept the white peace (i.e.-back to status quo before the fighting started) because they're not dumb enough to make themselves an outcast and go into a full war over Georgia.
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    you are a dumbass...we steam rolled iraqs military...we have been fighting insurgents that use civilians as shields, use IED's, and will not fight us face to face...you're an idiot
    What about Afghanistan then, the taliban are still at large. It doesn't matter whether they are using Guerilla tactics thats just the best way for them to cause the most damage to the US with what tools they have.
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    Originally Posted by big_nas View Post
    What about Afghanistan then, the taliban are still at large. It doesn't matter whether they are using Guerilla tactics thats just the best way for them to cause the most damage to the US with what tools they have.
    every time the Taliban fights us face to face they get ****ed up...they fight like cowards because they are weak...yeah they are still at large...we have damaged them beyond repair and its hard to fight an enemy that wont face you...if you think the Taliban is beating the US military, then you're flat out wrong

    The insurgency began a few months after U.S.-led forces drove the Taliban out of the Afghan capital, Kabul, in November 2001. It became more effective two years ago, when insurgents switched to new tactics, including breaking up into small groups of 10 fighters or less, attacking "soft" civilian targets and limiting head-on confrontations with coalition and Afghan troops.

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    Originally Posted by swollsooner View Post
    every time the Taliban fights us face to face they get ****ed up...they fight like cowards because they are weak...yeah they are still at large...we have damaged them beyond repair and its hard to fight an enemy that wont face you...if you think the Taliban is beating the US military, then you're flat out wrong

    The insurgency began a few months after U.S.-led forces drove the Taliban out of the Afghan capital, Kabul, in November 2001. It became more effective two years ago, when insurgents switched to new tactics, including breaking up into small groups of 10 fighters or less, attacking "soft" civilian targets and limiting head-on confrontations with coalition and Afghan troops.

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    You're correct. If you guys remember the initial invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq by the U.S.A. were over very quickly. We absolutely steam rolled them. Where America begins to "lose" is when we begin to "police" the nation and attempt to force democracy down their throats. We are not good at nation rebuilding/occupying. Russia learned its lesson in Afghanistan and now seems to fight fire with fire and fuq the rebuilding/occupying process.
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    First off a war against Russia will be largely depend on Europe. If Europe says we are not dieing for America than there's no way to take Russia. If Europe won't help (which they won't more than likely unless they initially start it), then Americans would have to ask how many millions of Americans must be sacrificed?
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    oh yeah i wonder how people would react to the draft in states. Since so many in states are not happy with American foreign policy.
    Any war bet nuclear states = disaster = not rational it didnt happen before when there was much more grounds for the all out war. It wont happen now.
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    I highly doubt Russia would use nukes
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    Remember how america won its status as a country? by fighting the recoats in unconventional ways.

    America is trying to be the worlds police, and doesnt have enough support to do so. If we didnt have so many people in iraq/afghanistan, it would be more feasible to war with russia, and on the idea of a draft, it would get people into the military system but theyd still need the training to be able to fight. Otherwise it would be a massacre.
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    Originally Posted by jco81 View Post
    I highly doubt Russia would use nukes
    Why not?

    Anyway, there will be no winner. Even if by some miracle every Russian or US nuke malfunctions the damage done to the environment would screw up the planet for decades. Imagine hundreds of cities being converted into dust and ashes. There was a study done last year that said that even a minor exchange would be enough to cause crop failures around the world for years. A major exchange would make the northern hemisphere uninhabitible.

    During the Cold War much effort was put into predicting the outcome of an armed conflict between the superpowers. Western experts predicted a Soviet attack that would likely break NATO defences. At that point NATO would use tactical nukes against Soviet ground forces. The Soviets would respond by nuking NATO bases taking out a few cities in the process. At that point there would be a massive exchange and the war would be over. I expect the same thing would happen in a Russo-American war but with the roles reversed because American conventional forces are stronger.
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    Originally Posted by MetaPhysical View Post
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    Originally Posted by jco81 View Post
    I highly doubt Russia would use nukes
    why wouldnt they? its fair game.

    in war, there are no set rules to follow and what weapons you can or can not use (okay, i could be wrong, for all i know Russia could of signed an agreement to not use nukes, i dont know).

    if you are on your backfoot, unleash a deadly attack to gain breathing room and heavily depleat your opponents.

    no matter how good the USA THINKS their military is, their military, or country, is no match for a couple nuclear bombs dropped.
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    If a war happens i doubt they would use nukes. The cold war lasted decades and nothing happened. If someone launches nukes no one wins. Hopefully both countries are smart enough to realize this
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    Russia and the United States will never go to war over Georgia. Russia will eventually remove its' forces from greater Georgia, not from the disputed areas, unfortunately. Russia will continue to pass out passports to "Russians" in former satellite states, most notably in the Baltic. Just look at the map. Russian intervention in Georgia has nothing to do with protecting "Russian citizens," but everything to do with threatening its' former possessions. There is nothing new under the sun. What we are seeing is ballance of power, international politics. Europe should do all that it can to minimize its' dependence on petroleum from Russia. Ukraine? They should seriously analyze their present situation. Putin, as long as he is in power, will continue the pressure. One might keep their eyes on "cyber-warfare" against Ukraine in the future. The attacks against Georgia via the net began weeks before any Russian intervention on the ground.
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    Originally Posted by lirika View Post
    yeah just like they did iraq
    Think about what you're saying. The US of A could do alot more in Iraq if Bush wanted so I dont really consider this a "war"(its bad dont get me wrong but when I think war im thinking all the military and so on) however it'd be totally different if it was with Russia.
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