Fat and in Shape ??

[Nota]

I was wondering if you could gorge yourself on junk food i.e. donuts, potatoe chips, cookies, and still workout.

[Whiskeyjack]

Originally Posted by Nota

I was wondering if you could gorge yourself on junk food i.e. donuts, potatoe chips, cookies, and still workout.

Nothing preventing you from working out regardless of what you eat. It's just a question of how effective your workouts would be.

[sytennison]

I talked to a competitive powerlifter who told me a story of eating just about everything in sight in order to make the next highest weight class in an upcomming competition. He said that by show-time he was so fat that he could barely close his hands, but he did well on his lifts.

[Inthegrass]

I was talking about nutrition with my kids one day and this is how I put it.
I equated our bodies for them with the woodstoves we have that we use to heat of house and cook on here in the winter.
If we put damp, punky wood into the stove we won't get a very hot fire. There will be a lot more smoke going up the chimney causing creosote buildup in the stove and in the chimney. The top of the cook stove and oven won't be efficient to cook on because they won't get hot enough. The house will be colder than we like it, the fire not bright and with the build up of creosote in the chimney, it will eventually lead to a chimney fire.
Put good quality, properly dried hardwood in the stove and we get a nice hot fire that will keep us warm, that we can cook off of, keep the stove nice and clean, running efficiently and no disaster final outcomes.
As far as I'm concerned it's exactly the same with the food we fuel our bodies with. I look at food this way before I make or eat something. I ask myself, "what will this food that I'm going to eat do for me?" If it's not something good then I just won't eat it. It's not worth it.

Besides, I can cook something that is both really healthy for us and delicious to eat myself. As a culture we are brain washed into eating bad foods!!

[omnisjdi]

Originally Posted by Inthegrass

Besides, I can cook something that is both really healthy for us and delicious to eat myself. As a culture we are brain washed into eating bad foods!!

This was one of the biggest surprises I had as I began to change my lifestyle around.
Looking fat does not make you fat.
How many of the "World's Strongest Men" look ripped? I don't recall to many.
If I didn't know they were power lifters I'd probably consider them "fat" or "out of shape" if I saw one of them walking down the street.
Looks can be very deceiving.
What you can eat really depends upon "the Look" you're trying to achieve.
Not planning on being a competitor myself I still eat quite a bit I shouldn't be eating. Keeps me mentally happy as I find myself getting looking the best I've ever looked physically.

[Fifty+]

Originally Posted by Inthegrass

As a culture we are brain washed into eating bad foods!!

There are many cultures within the United States and I don't believe any are brain washed regarding food. I would point my finger at laziness. Our access to "fast food" has lead the way to the deterioration of home cooked meals. The lack of nutritional education would come in second. If it's fast and easy and tastes good, how can it be bad? Who has time for health?

[ntrllftr]

Originally Posted by Nota

I was wondering if you could gorge yourself on junk food i.e. donuts, potatoe chips, cookies, and still workout.

<<<<<<<<<<<< Have been for the past 18 months.


Time to clean it up and start eating right for 2009 shows.
No more Taco Bell and KFC.


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[SuffolkPunch]

After reading a bit on this board (mainly Alan Aragon), I've concluded that there are no 'clean' and 'dirty' foods. The important points of your diet are (in approximate order of priority)

1. Total calories

2. Timing - mainly pre and post workout. Other meal times fade into irrelevance.

3. Macro proportions

4. Minimise certain bad ingredients - e.g. sat fats

5. Micronutrients. You need to get enough vitamins, minerals etc but most people do get this unless their diet is shockingly poor.

So yes, you can eat those 'dirty' foods as long as it fits into the above framework. What does tend to happen is that you get too many carbs and bad fats and not enough protein if you only eat traditional junk food...

[RoscoPico]

Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch

After reading a bit on this board (mainly Alan Aragon), I've concluded that there are no 'clean' and 'dirty' foods. The important points of your diet are (in approximate order of priority)

1. Total calories

2. Timing - mainly pre and post workout. Other meal times fade into irrelevance.

3. Macro proportions

4. Minimise certain bad ingredients - e.g. sat fats

5. Micronutrients. You need to get enough vitamins, minerals etc but most people do get this unless their diet is shockingly poor.

So yes, you can eat those 'dirty' foods as long as it fits into the above framework. What does tend to happen is that you get too many carbs and bad fats and not enough protein if you only eat traditional junk food...

Oh! You are thinking outside the box here. You are now a hate magnet. Hold on.

[bodyhard]

Originally Posted by Nota

I was wondering if you could gorge yourself on junk food i.e. donuts, potatoe chips, cookies, and still workout.

Why wouldn't you be able to work out? You can do drugs, drink booze, ride a little girlie bike with pink handle bars a bell and a sissie bar and still work out.

No how much and how fats your gains will be is another story.....

[Minotaur]

Originally Posted by omnisjdi

This was one of the biggest surprises I had as I began to change my lifestyle around.
Looking fat does not make you fat.
How many of the "World's Strongest Men" look ripped? I don't recall to many.
If I didn't know they were power lifters I'd probably consider them "fat" or "out of shape" if I saw one of them walking down the street.
Looks can be very deceiving.
What you can eat really depends upon "the Look" you're trying to achieve.
Not planning on being a competitor myself I still eat quite a bit I shouldn't be eating. Keeps me mentally happy as I find myself getting looking the best I've ever looked physically.

Yes, I believe you can be fit and fat. And I love the look of some of the WSM competitors. I will take Darren Sadler any day of the week (no homo this time... talking about his physique... well... ).

We've been conditioned to believe that unless you have a 30" waist and the build of a Steve Reeves, you are not a bodybuilder or are not in shape. This is a pet peeve of mine, mostly because it applies to me. I will never have a 32" waist without having a 38-40" chest and 15" arms. Been there, done that. I've been told by men's clothier and doctors (MD and chiro) that I have a short thick build. I'll keep my 48" jackets and XL and XXL shirts, thank you,

The clothier went so far as to tell me to not try to go below a 36-38" waist. So the point is, I will always look fat, and people will always make comments to that effect. And when they do, I'll simply pound them into the ground like a pile-driver.

[rpaul11]

Originally Posted by bodyhard

Why wouldn't you be able to work out? You can do drugs, drink booze, ride a little girlie bike with pink handle bars a bell and a sissie bar and still work out.

No how much and how fats your gains will be is another story.....

how is that bike workin for ya

[omnisjdi]

Originally Posted by Minotaur

Yes, I believe you can be fit and fat. And I love the look of some of the WSM competitors. I will take Darren Sadler any day of the week (no homo this time... talking about his physique... well... ).

We've been conditioned to believe that unless you have a 30" waist and the build of a Steve Reeves, you are not a bodybuilder or are not in shape. This is a pet peeve of mine, mostly because it applies to me. I will never have a 32" waist without having a 38-40" chest and 15" arms. Been there, done that. I've been told by men's clothier and doctors (MD and chiro) that I have a short thick build. I'll keep my 48" jackets and XL and XXL shirts, thank you,

The clothier went so far as to tell me to not try to go below a 36-38" waist. So the point is, I will always look fat, and people will always make comments to that effect. And when they do, I'll simply pound them into the ground like a pile-driver.

Not to mention what the media does to women. One week everyones "obese." The next week everyones "anorexic." Reality check media. Very few people can hit the ideal of the Hollywood archtypes. Most people are not obese or anorexic either. We all tend to fall somewhere in between the two extremes which make us "healthy."

[Minotaur]

Oh yes, I forgot about that. Have you also seen some of the threads the younger guys and teens post where they ask how they can look like the model on the cover of Men's Health or Men's Fitness or whatever? Um... those guys, not only are they airbrushed, are on those covers because they look like that to begin with. You don't "get" to look like that.

[omnisjdi]

Originally Posted by Minotaur

Oh yes, I forgot about that. Have you also seen some of the threads the younger guys and teens post where they ask how they can look like the model on the cover of Men's Health or Men's Fitness or whatever? Um... those guys, not only are they airbrushed, are on those covers because they look like that to begin with. You don't "get" to look like that.

I stay away from the teen and young misc as much as possible because of stuff like that. I'll give them credit for aiming high though.
I think somebody needs to give the media, education, and health systems a real smack of a reality check. They parade people with the genetics to look phenomenal with out mentioning all the time and hard work that gets put into those bodies.
Even though I know I'm never going to be competitive thats not going to stop me from being the best I can be.

[kimm4]

Originally Posted by Nota

I was wondering if you could gorge yourself on junk food i.e. donuts, potatoe chips, cookies, and still workout.

Sure lot's of people do...and they're the 1st ones to wonder why they're not making any gains...

[ntrllftr]

Originally Posted by kimm4

Sure lot's of people do...and they're the 1st ones to wonder why they're not making any gains...

My previouse comment is true.
I have been eating that junk.
Photos have proven that I gained good amount of muscle.

Although I did not go over board with it all the time.


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[crupiea]

Of course you can but you will end up doing a hell of alot of work and not seeing much prigress.

The mental aspect of it would be hard to overcome.

Eating all that junk also wont really help too much with the physical aspect either as you will soon realize that you will be better off with healthier choices.

A mix of the two for starters wouldnt be the worst thing but not the best either.

Are you considering this lifestyle or do you already eat crap and dont want to drastically change your diet?

I think its the later. I was that way too. Eventually, the big belt and the mirror have to play a part until you say enough is enough.

It took me a year to get squared away but in the whole of my life, its really nothing.

Ever see an obese 90 year old? No, they all died years before that.


Being super fat is shortening your lifespan alot. Put the time in now so you arent in a scooter in 10-15 years complaining about poor medical treatment and how medicare is screwing you.

My Dad walked with a cane at 52. I am 46 and just got back from a 8 mile run. It was fun.

Im not going out that way and neither should you.

Best of Luck.

[bodyhard]

Originally Posted by rpaul11

how is that bike workin for ya

LMFAO, you should know me better than that

[GnomusMaximus]

Just tell everyone what I do ..."I am in excellent shape. It's just that the shape I have chosen is a sphere."

[Whiskeyjack]

Originally Posted by bodyhard

Why wouldn't you be able to work out? You can do drugs, drink booze, ride a little girlie bike with pink handle bars a bell and a sissie bar and still work out.

No how much and how fats your gains will be is another story.....

Yup you got my point...

[Whiskeyjack]

Nice. Tried to rep you but I have to rep a bunch of others first (not that I'm *****rdly with that). BBL.

[Do_Somethin]

Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch

After reading a bit on this board (mainly Alan Aragon), I've concluded that there are no 'clean' and 'dirty' foods. The important points of your diet are (in approximate order of priority)

1. Total calories

2. Timing - mainly pre and post workout. Other meal times fade into irrelevance.

3. Macro proportions

4. Minimise certain bad ingredients - e.g. sat fats

5. Micronutrients. You need to get enough vitamins, minerals etc but most people do get this unless their diet is shockingly poor.

So yes, you can eat those 'dirty' foods as long as it fits into the above framework. What does tend to happen is that you get too many carbs and bad fats and not enough protein if you only eat traditional junk food...

This is what I've discovered for the most part. I can still have a relatively high fat content in my diet (but they're mostly good fats) as long I stay within my daily calories and get my minimum protein (at least 1.5-1 but mine usually goes higher) I'm good.
I'm cutting down the fats a bit now but today I ate a pound of lean hamburger (a half pound in each of two sittings) with ketchup. Haven't had beef in ages!

[Reality_Check]

Originally Posted by Nota

I was wondering if you could gorge yourself on junk food i.e. donuts, potatoe chips, cookies, and still workout.

Of course you can. You'll look like **** but you can still workout.

You'll even get big muscles from it, everyone else will think your just another fatty, but little will they know that underneath all that fat is a top notch physique (waiting to get out) that only you know about (just you little secret).

[Karl_Hungus]

Depends on what your goals are. Believe it or not. you can get amazingly strong eating Mcdonalds, pop tarts, and other assorted crap. Dave Tate did it for years. The downside is, you will likely gain alot of fat, and you won't be very healthy.

[Zingaritano]

Originally Posted by Minotaur

I will always look fat, and people will always make comments to that effect. And when they do, I'll simply pound them into the ground like a pile-driver.

That's the Jersey spirit...gotta love it.

[Nota]

Originally Posted by bodyhard

Why wouldn't you be able to work out? You can do drugs, drink booze, ride a little girlie bike with pink handle bars a bell and a sissie bar and still work out.

No how much and how fats your gains will be is another story.....

No drugs like crystal meth or marijuana, no liquor or tobacco, and I wear tank tops and workout shorts and reebok cross-trainer.

example hows this for a meal program.

breakfast - 1/4 cup oaotmeal, with equal sweetner and low fat margarine and a mug of ovaltine.

followed by a multi-vitamin, ala, fish oil capsule, garlic oil capsule, glucosamine supplement and green tea capsules.

mid morning snack - 6 oreos and a diet coke.

lunch - brown rice with corn beef and a glass of tang.

followed by calcium-zinc supplement, green tea capsule and iron supplement.

mid afternoon - a bag of doritos and a diet coke.

dinner - brown rice with beef stew and a glass of tang.

before bed - 4 chips ahoy cookies with a glass of ovaltine.

followed by - fish oil capsule, garlic capsule, green tea capsule and glucosamine supplement.

Weekends - lunch at McDonald's Big Mac Meal
mid-afternoon snack two donuts and a cup of chocolate at Duncan donuts.

[Nota]

Originally Posted by Nota

No drugs like crystal meth or marijuana, no liquor or tobacco, and I wear tank tops and workout shorts and reebok cross-trainer.

example hows this for a meal program.

breakfast - 1/4 cup oaotmeal, with equal sweetner and low fat margarine and a mug of ovaltine.

followed by a multi-vitamin, ala, fish oil capsule, garlic oil capsule, glucosamine supplement and green tea capsules.

mid morning snack - 6 oreos and a diet coke.

lunch - brown rice with corn beef and a glass of tang.

followed by calcium-zinc supplement, green tea capsule and iron supplement.

mid afternoon - a bag of doritos and a diet coke.

dinner - brown rice with beef stew and a glass of tang.

before bed - 4 chips ahoy cookies with a glass of ovaltine.

followed by - fish oil capsule, garlic capsule, green tea capsule and glucosamine supplement.

Weekends - lunch at McDonald's Big Mac Meal
mid-afternoon snack two donuts and a cup of chocolate at Duncan donuts.

Also I try to drink at least 1o glasses of water a day.

[BG41]

Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch

After reading a bit on this board (mainly Alan Aragon), I've concluded that there are no 'clean' and 'dirty' foods. The important points of your diet are (in approximate order of priority)

1. Total calories

2. Timing - mainly pre and post workout. Other meal times fade into irrelevance.

3. Macro proportions

4. Minimise certain bad ingredients - e.g. sat fats

5. Micronutrients. You need to get enough vitamins, minerals etc but most people do get this unless their diet is shockingly poor.

So yes, you can eat those 'dirty' foods as long as it fits into the above framework. What does tend to happen is that you get too many carbs and bad fats and not enough protein if you only eat traditional junk food...

Saturated fat is linked to testosterone production. Its not bad for you.

[BG41]

Originally Posted by Nota

I was wondering if you could gorge yourself on junk food i.e. donuts, potatoe chips, cookies, and still workout.

You cant gorge yourself on ANY food and be healthy But u can work out no matter what. How ever diet is 75% of the equation. You can lose weight without exersize, but u cant by just exersizing, cause exersize will just make u hungrier and u will just eat the calories u just burned. U can get fat eating too much fruit. There is no evil food, just excess of them, however excess is different for each food.