The War of Terror Against the USA Continues

[Amris]

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/ira...29/117217.html

U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S.

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

Iran has carried out missile tests for what could be a plan for a nuclear strike on the United States, the head of a national security panel has warned.

In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee and in remarks to a private conference on missile defense over the weekend hosted by the Claremont Institute, Dr. William Graham warned that the U.S. intelligence community ?doesn?t have a story? to explain the recent Iranian tests.

One group of tests that troubled Graham, the former White House science adviser under President Ronald Reagan, were successful efforts to launch a Scud missile from a platform in the Caspian Sea.

?They?ve got [test] ranges in Iran which are more than long enough to handle Scud launches and even Shahab-3 launches,? Dr. Graham said. ?Why would they be launching from the surface of the Caspian Sea? They obviously have not explained that to us.?

Another troubling group of tests involved Shahab-3 launches where the Iranians "detonated the warhead near apogee, not over the target area where the thing would eventually land, but at altitude,? Graham said. ?Why would they do that??

Graham chairs the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack, a blue-ribbon panel established by Congress in 2001.

The commission examined the Iranian tests ?and without too much effort connected the dots,? even though the U.S. intelligence community previously had failed to do so, Graham said.

?The only plausible explanation we can find is that the Iranians are figuring out how to launch a missile from a ship and get it up to altitude and then detonate it,? he said. ?And that?s exactly what you would do if you had a nuclear weapon on a Scud or a Shahab-3 or other missile, and you wanted to explode it over the United States.?

The commission warned in a report issued in April that the United States was at risk of a sneak nuclear attack by a rogue nation or a terrorist group designed to take out our nation?s critical infrastructure.

"If even a crude nuclear weapon were detonated anywhere between 40 kilometers to 400 kilometers above the earth, in a split-second it would generate an electro-magnetic pulse [EMP] that would cripple military and civilian communications, power, transportation, water, food, and other infrastructure," the report warned.

While not causing immediate civilian casualties, the near-term impact on U.S. society would dwarf the damage of a direct nuclear strike on a U.S. city.

?The first indication [of such an attack] would be that the power would go out, and some, but not all, the telecommunications would go out. We would not physically feel anything in our bodies,? Graham said.

As electric power, water and gas delivery systems failed, there would be ?truly massive traffic jams,? Graham added, since modern automobiles and signaling systems all depend on sophisticated electronics that would be disabled by the EMP wave.

?So you would be walking. You wouldn?t be driving at that point,? Graham said. ?And it wouldn?t do any good to call the maintenance or repair people because they wouldn?t be able to get there, even if you could get through to them.?

The food distribution system also would grind to a halt as cold-storage warehouses stockpiling perishables went offline. Even warehouses equipped with backup diesel generators would fail, because ?we wouldn?t be able to pump the fuel into the trucks and get the trucks to the warehouses,? Graham said.

The United States ?would quickly revert to an early 19th century type of country.? except that we would have 10 times as many people with ten times fewer resources, he said.

?Most of the things we depend upon would be gone, and we would literally be depending on our own assets and those we could reach by walking to them,? Graham said.

America would begin to resemble the 2002 TV series, ?Jeremiah,? which depicts a world bereft of law, infrastructure, and memory.

In the TV series, an unspecified virus wipes out the entire adult population of the planet. In an EMP attack, the casualties would be caused by our almost total dependence on technology for everything from food and water, to hospital care.

Within a week or two of the attack, people would start dying, Graham says.

?People in hospitals would be dying faster than that, because they depend on power to stay alive. But then it would go to water, food, civil authority, emergency services. And we would end up with a country with many, many people not surviving the event.?

Asked just how many Americans would die if Iran were to launch the EMP attack it appears to be preparing, Graham gave a chilling reply.

?You have to go back into the 1800s to look at the size of population? that could survive in a nation deprived of mechanized agriculture, transportation, power, water, and communication.

?I?d have to say that 70 to 90 percent of the population would not be sustainable after this kind of attack,? he said.

America would be reduced to a core of around 30 million people ? about the number that existed in the decades after America?s independence from Great Britain.

The modern electronic economy would shut down, and America would most likely revert to ?an earlier economy based on barter,? the EMP commission?s report on Critical National Infrastructure concluded earlier this year.

In his recent congressional testimony, Graham revealed that Iranian military journals, translated by the CIA at his commission?s request, ?explicitly discuss a nuclear EMP attack that would gravely harm the United States.?

Furthermore, if Iran launched its attack from a cargo ship plying the commercial sea lanes off the East coast ? a scenario that appears to have been tested during the Caspian Sea tests ? U.S. investigators might never determine who was behind the attack. Because of the limits of nuclear forensic technology, it could take months. And to disguise their traces, the Iranians could simply decide to sink the ship that had been used to launch it, Graham said.

Several participants in last weekend?s conference in Dearborn, Mich., hosted by the conservative Claremont Institute argued that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was thinking about an EMP attack when he opined that ?a world without America is conceivable.?

In May 2007, then Undersecretary of State John Rood told Congress that the U.S. intelligence community estimates that Iran could develop an ICBM capable of hitting the continental United States by 2015.

But Iran could put a Scud missile on board a cargo ship and launch from the commercial sea lanes off America?s coasts well before then.

The only thing Iran is lacking for an effective EMP attack is a nuclear warhead, and no one knows with any certainty when that will occur. The latest U.S. intelligence estimate states that Iran could acquire the fissile material for a nuclear weapon as early as 2009, or as late as 2015, or possibly later.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld first detailed the ?Scud-in-a-bucket? threat during a briefing in Huntsville, Ala., on Aug. 18, 2004.

While not explicitly naming Iran, Rumsfeld revealed that ?one of the nations in the Middle East had launched a ballistic missile from a cargo vessel. They had taken a short-range, probably Scud missile, put it on a transporter-erector launcher, lowered it in, taken the vessel out into the water, peeled back the top, erected it, fired it, lowered it, and covered it up. And the ship that they used was using a radar and electronic equipment that was no different than 50, 60, 100 other ships operating in the immediate area.?

Iran?s first test of a ship-launched Scud missile occurred in spring 1998, and was mentioned several months later in veiled terms by the Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States, a blue-ribbon panel also known as the Rumsfeld Commission.

I was the first reporter to mention the Iran sea-launched missile test in an article appearing in the Washington Times in May 1999.

Intelligence reports on the launch were ?well known to the White House but have not been disseminated to the appropriate congressional committees,? I wrote. Such a missile ?could be used in a devastating stealth attack against the United States or Israel for which the United States has no known or planned defense.?

Few experts believe that Iran can be deterred from launching such an attack by the threat of massive retaliation against Iran. They point to a December 2001 statement by former Iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, who mulled the possibility of Israeli retaliation after an Iranian nuclear strike.

?The use of an atomic bomb against Israel would destroy Israel completely, while [the same] against the Islamic only would cause damages. Such a scenario is not inconceivable,? Rafsanjani said at the time.

Rep. Trent Franks, R, Ariz., plans to introduce legislation next week that would require the Pentagon to lay the groundwork for an eventual military strike against Iran, to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and EMP capability.

?An EMP attack on America would send us back to the horse and buggy era ? without the horse and buggy,? he told the Claremont Institute conference on Saturday. ?If you?re a terrorist, this is your ultimate goal, your ultimate asymmetric weapon.?

Noting Iran?s recent sea-launched and mid-flight warhead detonation tests, Rep. Franks concluded, ?They could do it ? either directly or anonymously by putting some freighter out there on the ocean.?

The only possible deterrent against Iran is the prospect of failure, Dr. Graham and other experts agreed. And the only way the United States could credibly threaten an Iranian missile strike would be to deploy effective national missile defenses.

?It?s well known that people don?t go on a diet until they?ve had a heart attack,? said Claremont Institute president Brian T. Kennedy. ?And we as a nation are having a heart attack? when it comes to the threat of an EMP attack from Iran.

?As of today, we have no defense against such an attack. We need space-based missile defenses to protect against an EMP attack,? he told Newsmax.

Rep. Franks said he remains surprised at how partisan the subject of space-based missile defenses remain. ?Nuclear missiles don?t discriminate on party lines when they land,? he said.

Arizona Republican Sen. Jon Kyl, a long-standing champion of missile defense, told the Claremont conference on Friday that Sen. Obama has opposed missile defense tooth and nail and as president would cut funding for these programs dramatically.

?Senator Obama has been quoted as saying, ?I don?t agree with a missile defense system,? and that we can cut $10 billion of the research out ? never mind, as I say, that the entire budget is $9.6 billion, or $9.3 billion,? Kyl said.

Like Franks, Kyl believes that the only way to eventually deter Iran from launching an EMP attack on the United States is to deploy robust missile defense systems, including space-based interceptors.

The United States ?needs a missile defense that is so strong, in all the different phases we need to defend against . . . that countries will decide it?s not worth coming up against us,? Kyl said.

?That?s one of the things that defeated the Soviet Union. That?s one of the ways we can deal with these rogue states . . . and also the way that we can keep countries that are not enemies today, but are potential enemies, from developing capabilities to challenge us. ?

Are you scared yet? Ready to go to "safety" with the military yet?

Scared enough to go get Bush some more oil from Iran?

[PickItUp]

Originally Posted by Amris

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/ira...29/117217.html



Are you scared yet? Ready to go to "safety" with the military yet?

Scared enough to go get Bush some more oil from Iran?

I am so scared right now, that I would fully support anything that Bush recommended. I don't want to think on my own anymore. Nuke those bastards!!!

[jackfast1]

Originally Posted by PickItUp

I am so scared right now, that I would fully support anything that Bush recommended. I don't want to think on my own anymore. Nuke those bastards!!!

is this sarcasm?

[SDMuscleBuddy]

Originally Posted by jackfast1

is this sarcasm?

Nothing gets past you, does it?

I think we should suspend the election. Only GW can keep us safe from the boogey man.

[frankenstein]

I fear government more than terrorism

[Amris]

Originally Posted by SDMuscleBuddy

Nothing gets past you, does it?

I think we should suspend the election. Only GW can keep us safe from the boogey man.

Funny you should say that. Someone once told me, "Bush isn't going to leave the White House at the next election." I couldn't, at the time, imagine a scenario in which he would be able to convince people to allow him to stay.

But hearing now about the Camp Pendelton drills and the fact that the soldiers there are warning elderly people to get a minimum of 30 days of medications stocked up and be ready to be picked up and taken to "safe areas," and then, not minutes later, stumbling upon this link...

I'm starting to see a police state and Bush having declared a NATIONAL state of "emergency" so that he... doesn't leave the White House.

Ah, never mind, I'm just paranoid, that's the ticket!

[SDMuscleBuddy]

Originally Posted by Amris

Funny you should say that. Someone once told me, "Bush isn't going to leave the White House at the next election." I couldn't, at the time, imagine a scenario in which he would be able to convince people to allow him to stay.

But hearing now about the Camp Pendelton drills and the fact that the soldiers there are warning elderly people to get a minimum of 30 days of medications stocked up and be ready to be picked up and taken to "safe areas," and then, not minutes later, stumbling upon this link...

I'm starting to see a police state and Bush having declared a NATIONAL state of "emergency" so that he... doesn't leave the White House.

Ah, never mind, I'm just paranoid, that's the ticket!

Yes, but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

I think we should all exercise our second amendment rights if something like this happens.

[Amris]

Originally Posted by SDMuscleBuddy

Yes, but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

I think we should all exercise our second amendment rights if something like this happens.

I think they'll claim that National Emergency police state suspends all of our rights.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

[TupacCobain]

Originally Posted by frankenstein

I fear government more than terrorism

Hell Yeah

[Chris In O.C.]

Originally Posted by SDMuscleBuddy

I think we should all exercise our second amendment rights if something like this happens.

When Bush declares martial law and suspends the constitution, you
have no rights

[Dubl10]

Ron Paul: I hear members of Congress saying "if we could only nuke Iran"
http://infowars.net/articles/july200...08RonPaul2.htm

remember though, something has to justify us striking them though (like Pearl Harbor was the justification to drop the A-bombs on Japan). maybe us getting attacked again, like 911??? it's been close to 8 years now.

1993 - WTC first attempted (new president Clinton, same foreign policy)
2001 - 9/11 (new president Bush, same foreign policy)
2009??? (new president Obama or McCain, same foreign policy).

Ron Paul is the only true change.

[US_Ranger]

Lol @ everyone still talking about Bush. The guy is out of office completely by January and the election is in November. Do you really think he's going to declare martial law at the end of his term with a glorious approval rating that you have to dig down 20 feet to find?

Some of you people make Bush seem like the smartest man on earth with your lack of thinking.

And before I'm called a Bush lover, no, I can't stand the current administration.

[Duckenheimer]

A response to above article.

http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-in...html#more-3427

[Klippymitch]

They don't have missiles capable of reaching the U.S.. Israel is just scared and is trying to get us to fight their war. I hope Israel gets what they deserve for trying to start a false war.

[kappakai]

uh... what's going on in pendleton?

[Briangumble]

I don't think Bush is going to try to become dictator of America. If that was his plan he would have done it right after 9/11.

[leafs43]

That EMP strike sounds a bit exaggerated to say the least.

Sure it can occur, however it would be localized not nationwide. And it only fries electronic devices that are on when it occurs.


And as far as Iran is concerned, they wouldn't get a misile launching platform within 1k miles of US shoreline. Infact the probably wouldn't get one out of the eastern hemisphere.

[Rsun88]

The possibility of an Iranian EMP attack is strictly speculation, just like the existence of Saddam's WMDs. It's propaganda and it's being discussed all over conservative talk radio (namely Savage) as if it were fact or as if it will happen.

[Anti_Illuminati]

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Lol @ everyone still talking about Bush.

The false left-right paradigm takes some time to shatter for most, because in doing so, one has to admit that their entire life itself has been a lie, which is very hard to admit. I have never seen a person in my entire life that has ever flat out admitted they were ignorant, stupid, and or that they were conned, all of their life. I would hope that most people that use his name already know who pulls the strings in reality.


Even though he just takes orders, he is fully and directly guilty of hundreds of crimes committed while in office, a fraction of which is represented and identified by the 35 articles of impeachment introduced by Dennis Kucinich and entered into congressional record.

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

The guy is out of office completely by January and the election is in November.

At which point all of his unconstitutional, treasonous, and illegal executive orders and acts that he has signed into law will pass over to the next puppet in chief. The next "president" isn't going to rescind one iota of the Bill of Rights destroying, tyrranical framework (made possible, chiefly due to the 9/11 black op, as well as OKC, etc). That is of course unless the next president was one of the following: Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, Jesse Ventura, or possibly even Bob Barr.

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Do you really think he's going to declare martial law at the end of his term with a glorious approval rating that you have to dig down 20 feet to find?

He doesn't have to be the one to declare martial law. The criminal globalist crime syndicate is very patient, everything you see today stems from approximately 100 years of planning and execution. They have operated through relative stealth for decades, though now they are getting desperate, and do not care if people know about them per se (not to say that exposing them does not hurt them, because it does, and their are too many of us now). The NWO isn't going to panic if GWB doesn't happen to be the vehicle through which their psychopathic mass destruction of humanity is facilitated.

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Some of you people make Bush seem like the smartest man on earth with your lack of thinking.

His intelligence or lack thereof is irrelevant. The intelligence of the policy making members of the Council on Foreign Relations, IMF World Bank, Bilderberg Group, Club of Rome, Vatican, Trilateral Commission, United Nations, and the Carnegie Endowment define the "powers that be", and fully set world, and U.S. policy (with the exception of Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Russia (to some extent - since former President Putin managed to kick out the Rothschilds), and a few others.

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

And before I'm called a Bush lover, no, I can't stand the current administration.

One would be very naive to resort to that even if you were (because if they did it would show their own ignorance). No one would waste their time with such labeling If they took the time to inform themselves accordingly, and make an effort to burn off the insidious and wicked programming of the educational system that we all grew up with, as well as divorce themselves from the death box (television).

[Geno]

Originally Posted by Chris In O.C.

When Bush declares martial law and suspends the constitution, you
have no rights

I have the right to shoot anyone who pushes me far enough - with my entire family and the help involved we can easily overpower any first showup types. TBH I doubt they would come after me - a local smokeater and friends with all the local le. Push me far enough and I'll demonstrate the talents taught me by our federal government when I worked for them. Small unit tactics will look like child's play.

Educate yourself people - make yourself hard to capture. Befriend local LE so they'll be less than enthusiastic and learn how to fight. I mean really fight - not just own an AR or three and know how to shoot.

[DERJEVPOO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm4zuKukUco

[Skunk]

This is what I like to call... Bushphobia. LOL

[ironman1964bc]

Substitute Iraq for Iran in that article and its 2003 all over again. Substitute N Korea for Iran in that article and its the 1990's all over again. Lets scare the sheep into pissing themselves so they will support any new war.

Iran's missiles can barely reach Israel for f*** sake and they are decades away from putting a warhead on one.....even if they were trying to.

So Iran test fired a few missiles. Wouldn't you if you were surrounded on all sides and threatened to be nuked?

What cracks me up is one day Israel can wipe out Iran in hours without working up a sweat, and the next day Iran is going to nuke the US and kill 100 million people.

What's next? the "Iran has WMD arguement?

Bush lost his caspian sea oil because he was to busy starting wars instead of making deals and building pipelines. The area is a lost cause, we might as well pack up and leave.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by ironman1964bc

Substitute Iraq for Iran in that article and its 2003 all over again. Substitute N Korea for Iran in that article and its the 1990's all over again. Lets scare the sheep into pissing themselves so they will support any new war.

Iran's missiles can barely reach Israel for f*** sake and they are decades away from putting a warhead on one.....even if they were trying to.

So Iran test fired a few missiles. Wouldn't you if you were surrounded on all sides and threatened to be nuked?

What cracks me up is one day Israel can wipe out Iran in hours without working up a sweat, and the next day Iran is going to nuke the US and kill 100 million people.

What's next? the "Iran has WMD arguement?

Bush lost his caspian sea oil because he was to busy starting wars instead of making deals and building pipelines. The area is a lost cause, we might as well pack up and leave.

Who's threatening to nuke Iran?

[Spuddy]

i think the simple fact that threads like this show up over and over again are enough to show that at least some sort of chaos is happening, regardless of whether it's paranoia or if it's real. people are scared like they haven't been in the past, and our governments are shadier than ever.

add paranoia to the fact that pretty much every religion, ever, has declared our generation as the big finale.. something is gonna happen. i don't know what, but i bought a bushy ar-15 while it's still legal just in case

[GoateMass]

Originally Posted by Spuddy

i think the simple fact that threads like this show up over and over again are enough to show that at least some sort of chaos is happening, regardless of whether it's paranoia or if it's real. people are scared like they haven't been in the past, and our governments are shadier than ever.

add paranoia to the fact that pretty much every religion, ever, has declared our generation as the big finale.. something is gonna happen. i don't know what, but i bought a bushy ar-15 while it's still legal just in case

Yr really into this whole apocalypse and you mention it when ever you get a chance, most religions have said its the final days for hundreds of years.. and the latest generation is always like.. "yeah defiantly its this generation, look at everything its so messed up"


people thought that the Mongol Invasions were of "Yog and Magog"
but life moves on. not that i deny there will be an end of times but often its better to have a positive outlook and not to make it a worrying factor, this way folks could be more constructive and not apathetic/ apocalyptic making any situation much worse when it could be a hell lot better

[terminaltorture]

Some more fun info:

"In a recent interview with Think Progress, however, Hersh exposed that the meeting witnessed Cheney mulling over a proposal to dress up Navy SEALs as Iranians and shoot them in order to trigger a war with Iran."

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510203

[Amris]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

A response to above article.

http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-in...html#more-3427

That's my whole point. More fear-mongering. More trying to terrify us into accepting another war.

[illriginalized]

Originally Posted by SDMuscleBuddy

Nothing gets past you, does it?

I think we should suspend the election. Only GW can keep us safe from the boogey man.

**** YOU.

Anyone who supports the suspension of the election and dictatorship under Bush Jr. should be lynched for treason.