Blood Level Results and Questions

[AbramsM1]

Little History-

For over a year I've been feeling tired, lethargic and lazy. I've had low libido. I've been gaining fat and losing strength slowly. I finally went to the doc and got my test levels checked.

Free Test-
11.1 on a normal scale of 9-30

Total Test-
427 on a normal scale of 240-950

I thought the free test was a bit low. I asked my doc about the results and he said all I needed to do was sleep more and stop exercising so much. I only work out 4-5 times per week for aobut 75 minutes a workout. My question is should I pursue the test levels further? I have all the symptoms of low test and I feel generally terrible all the time. I can't possibly sleep any more or I would be in a coma. I also don't understand how he can tell me to quit exercising so much when one of my chief complaints is that I'm getting fat and weak?

Any advice from those that have been through this?

Regards,
Abrams

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by AbramsM1

Little History-

For over a year I've been feeling tired, lethargic and lazy. I've had low libido. I've been gaining fat and losing strength slowly. I finally went to the doc and got my test levels checked.

Free Test-
11.1 on a normal scale of 9-30

Total Test-
427 on a normal scale of 240-950

I thought the free test was a bit low. I asked my doc about the results and he said all I needed to do was sleep more and stop exercising so much. I only work out 4-5 times per week for aobut 75 minutes a workout. My question is should I pursue the test levels further? I have all the symptoms of low test and I feel generally terrible all the time. I can't possibly sleep any more or I would be in a coma. I also don't understand how he can tell me to quit exercising so much when one of my chief complaints is that I'm getting fat and weak?

Any advice from those that have been through this?

Regards,
Abrams

The first thing you need to do is fire your doctor face to face and rip him a new A_____. this is so important do not even give him a chance and do not go to him for anything else. He is a bad 1. The levels might be in range but are low for a man your age. Unless you like being 80. Thats a joke. Always test in the morning also. Taking breaks from working out are nessary and good for all to do. I mean a week or 2 off once in a while. Every 2 months I take 9 days off. I make good gains all the time doing this. But I'm 51.

Getting a new doctor is important not only because the 1 you have now is stupid, but you need 1 that knows what they are doing incase you have problems. Also getting all hormones tuned in is the key to HRT. So good luck and let us know how is turns out.

[ZonaDave]

Originally Posted by AbramsM1

Little History-

For over a year I've been feeling tired, lethargic and lazy. I've had low libido. I've been gaining fat and losing strength slowly. I finally went to the doc and got my test levels checked.

Free Test-
11.1 on a normal scale of 9-30

Total Test-
427 on a normal scale of 240-950

I thought the free test was a bit low. I asked my doc about the results and he said all I needed to do was sleep more and stop exercising so much. I only work out 4-5 times per week for aobut 75 minutes a workout. My question is should I pursue the test levels further? I have all the symptoms of low test and I feel generally terrible all the time. I can't possibly sleep any more or I would be in a coma. I also don't understand how he can tell me to quit exercising so much when one of my chief complaints is that I'm getting fat and weak?

Any advice from those that have been through this?

Regards,
Abrams

hey abrams! i got my blood tested in 2005 and my results were very close to yours. my TT was 474. i was 38 at the time and i had similar symptoms. i first started noticing low libido back in 2001 but it was mild so i just passed it off as stress.

my TT is now in the low 300's and i already started HRT. my moods are better and i have a little more energy but still having low libido. it's most likely a result of the dose being too low so i'm meeting with the doc this week to tweak it.

some guys might feel fine at your TT level but the only thing that matters is "do you feel good at that level"?

as far as overtraining goes, i'm not sure how much this is affecting your condition but bodybuilders are bad for this. next to long distance runners, we are the most overtrained athletes. you can train 4-5 days/week for 75 mins/day provided you're not killing yourself in those workouts. remember the old saying "you can train hard or you can train long, but you can't train hard for long". just some food for thought.

as i was writing this reply i got a call from my previous doctor with blood reults after being on testim gel (1 tube/day) for two weeks. here is an overview of my results to date:

Before HRT:
Total T=366 (no range provided)
Free T=1.7 (range 1.5-2.2)
LH=5.4 (range 1.7-8.6)

After two weeks on Testim (1 tube/day):
Total T=291 (no range provided)
Free T=1.43 (range 1.5-2.2)
LH=3.4 (range 1.7-8.6)


as you can see everything dropped. the testim is probably just enough to lower my own T production but not enough to bring into an acceptable range (i.e. 600-700).

the doctor who put me on testim didn't run all the right tests so these are the only ones i have at the moment. when he initially tested me, he felt that i was good at 366 so when i got home from his office i found a new doctor. when i told my new doctor what my total was she just laughed. she ran ALL the right test and i should be getting the results back today or tomorrow.

she wants to put me on T Cyp injections every two weeks to start off and see how that goes. i'm fine with trying it. she's determined to get me "tuned up".

if you feel like crap, you need to keep pursuing treatment. go to your local pharmacy and ask them for a list of doctors who are prescribing T. once you get the list, call each one up and tell them what your results are and what they think about them. that way you can avoid wasting your time and money.

if you feel bad now, wait until you're down in the 200's and you can't maintain an erection. my wife and i crack jokes about it now because we know what the problem is and we're on the road to recovery.

[AbramsM1]

Thanks to both of you. I honestly don't believe that I am overtraining. Just recently I took 4 days off, prior to that I took 2 weeks off in April. This is how my training usually is. I don't ever feel taxed from training.

I didn't bring this up previously, but I have been experiencing erection problems as well. I was treated with cialis and that worked, but it wasn't totally successful. I believe it treated the symptom, but not the problem.

I honestly wanted to punch my doc when I heard that. I have another appointment on the 12th of AUG and then I go to the urologist on the 13th. Think I'll have any luck getting the urologist to help the problem?

Curiously I've read that for optimal athletic performance total male test on my scale should be in the 650+ range. I'm below that and almost off the bottom of the chart on the free test range.

I didn't know you could ask your pharmacy about what docs prescribe what meds. I'll have to go after work and check that out.

Thanks again,
Abrams

[ZonaDave]

Originally Posted by AbramsM1

Thanks to both of you. I honestly don't believe that I am overtraining. Just recently I took 4 days off, prior to that I took 2 weeks off in April. This is how my training usually is. I don't ever feel taxed from training.

I didn't bring this up previously, but I have been experiencing erection problems as well. I was treated with cialis and that worked, but it wasn't totally successful. I believe it treated the symptom, but not the problem.

I honestly wanted to punch my doc when I heard that. I have another appointment on the 12th of AUG and then I go to the urologist on the 13th. Think I'll have any luck getting the urologist to help the problem?

Curiously I've read that for optimal athletic performance total male test on my scale should be in the 650+ range. I'm below that and almost off the bottom of the chart on the free test range.

I didn't know you could ask your pharmacy about what docs prescribe what meds. I'll have to go after work and check that out.

Thanks again,
Abrams

erection problems is the one symptom that gets guys into the doctor's office. the fatigue bothered me but not like the ED did. i could get an erection but it was soft and spongey feeling and it usually wouldn't last, like someone let the air out of a tire. besides that sex really didn't feel that great anymore. i didn't "desire" it. i've been feeling like that for years and just thought i was tired or stressed or whatever. i started coming up with reasons (excuses) why i was having problems. you're probably right with the TT of 650. a good doctor will get you into the best range without going too high. too much is not good either. the problem is most bodybuilders have the "more is better" attitude and that's what usually leads to overtraining and steriod abuse (been there...done that). with HRT is more of a "tuning" process like a race car.

i went to a compounding pharmacy and met with the manager. he gladly gave me 3 doctors who are pro-HRT. he said he would give me more names if i wanted. he probably knew that i'd be coming back to him with a prescription.

the first urologist i saw put me on viagra right away and it worked great at first but now it's hit or miss. it gets worse as your levels drop.

a word of caution when you visit your doctor, avoid talking about your body fat, loss of strength, workouts etc. because doctors don't care about subjective things like that. they can easily attribute those to your eating habits, sleep, overtraining etc. stick to the facts and symptoms that affect your quality of life like libido, moods, depression, anxiety, motivation. you'll probably have more success if you tell the doctor how those symptoms are affecting you in your day-to-day life.

i took my wife in with me to see my latest doctor so she could be involved with the process. i wanted the doctor to know that this was having a serious affect on my marriage, work and quality of life.

even though forums like this are awesome, it's a tragedy that we have to have a support group like this to get proper care. the first time i went to in for blood tests, the office called me a week later and said everything was fine. i didn't ask for levels or anything, i just took their word for it and went on dealing with symptoms. somehow, somewhere doctors became the "customer". i'd love to see a system where we didn't have to pay them until we got acceptable results.

[tawney76]

Zona that is a GREAT post and I hope that kid soaks it up like a SPONGE.

I will probably steal some of those comments to help others with in the future because they are killer. I love the wife thing- very very clever.

now THAT is how to attack a bad situation with solid amunition.

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by ZonaDave

erection problems is the one symptom that gets guys into the doctor's office. the fatigue bothered me but not like the ED did. i could get an erection but it was soft and spongey feeling and it usually wouldn't last, like someone let the air out of a tire. besides that sex really didn't feel that great anymore. i didn't "desire" it. i've been feeling like that for years and just thought i was tired or stressed or whatever. i started coming up with reasons (excuses) why i was having problems. you're probably right with the TT of 650. a good doctor will get you into the best range without going too high. too much is not good either. the problem is most bodybuilders have the "more is better" attitude and that's what usually leads to overtraining and steriod abuse (been there...done that). with HRT is more of a "tuning" process like a race car.

i went to a compounding pharmacy and met with the manager. he gladly gave me 3 doctors who are pro-HRT. he said he would give me more names if i wanted. he probably knew that i'd be coming back to him with a prescription.

the first urologist i saw put me on viagra right away and it worked great at first but now it's hit or miss. it gets worse as your levels drop.

a word of caution when you visit your doctor, avoid talking about your body fat, loss of strength, workouts etc. because doctors don't care about subjective things like that. they can easily attribute those to your eating habits, sleep, overtraining etc. stick to the facts and symptoms that affect your quality of life like libido, moods, depression, anxiety, motivation. you'll probably have more success if you tell the doctor how those symptoms are affecting you in your day-to-day life.

i took my wife in with me to see my latest doctor so she could be involved with the process. i wanted the doctor to know that this was having a serious affect on my marriage, work and quality of life.

even though forums like this are awesome, it's a tragedy that we have to have a support group like this to get proper care. the first time i went to in for blood tests, the office called me a week later and said everything was fine. i didn't ask for levels or anything, i just took their word for it and went on dealing with symptoms. somehow, somewhere doctors became the "customer". i'd love to see a system where we didn't have to pay them until we got acceptable results.

Good post ZonaDave this is some good advice.

[ZonaDave]

thanks guys, i meet with my doctor tomorrow morning so i'll make a post when i get home to let you know my latest blood reults and treatment plan.

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by keith1958

The first thing you need to do is fire your doctor face to face and rip him a new A_____. this is so important do not even give him a chance and do not go to him for anything else. He is a bad 1. The levels might be in range but are low for a man your age. Unless you like being 80. Thats a joke. Always test in the morning also. Taking breaks from working out are nessary and good for all to do. I mean a week or 2 off once in a while. Every 2 months I take 9 days off. I make good gains all the time doing this. But I'm 51.

Getting a new doctor is important not only because the 1 you have now is stupid, but you need 1 that knows what they are doing incase you have problems. Also getting all hormones tuned in is the key to HRT. So good luck and let us know how is turns out.

Here are some study results for typical testosterone levels by age. It looks like you are about 75!

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by BrianEE93

Here are some study results for typical testosterone levels by age. It looks like you are about 75!

But I feel like I'm 20. LOL. I keep my levels on the high end or just a little over.

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by keith1958

But I feel like I'm 20. LOL. I keep my levels on the high end or just a little over.

I am right there with you. The lowest I drop during a week is to the 500s.

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by BrianEE93

I am right there with you. The lowest I drop during a week is to the 500s.

I have a firm belief if your going to do HRT then you get your levels the same as a 20 year old. We go through a lot of stuff so we might as well get as many benifits as we can.

[AbramsM1]

Thanks for that spreadsheet. I'm printing it out and taking it to my new doc. Also, I have my wife coming with me and I've been studying Dr. Crisler's website, lot's of good info on there.

Thanks again,
Abrams

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by AbramsM1

Thanks for that spreadsheet. I'm printing it out and taking it to my new doc. Also, I have my wife coming with me and I've been studying Dr. Crisler's website, lot's of good info on there.

Thanks again,
Abrams

He is my doctor and a damn good 1 at that.

[Streetbull]

You want Total T to be roughly 40 times your E2. A good goal is 1000 ng/dl for T and E2 of 25. You need more T and a very low dose of Arimidex to get to those numbers.

Disagree about Crisler. Save your money.

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by Streetbull

You want Total T to be roughly 40 times your E2. A good goal is 1000 ng/dl for T and E2 of 25. You need more T and a very low dose of Arimidex to get to those numbers.

Disagree about Crisler. Save your money.

IMO you want your levels of testosterone to be in the top of the range or a little over the range on both Total and Free. Estrogen I like it best between 15 and 20 using the ultra sensitive test and the ranges my lab gives. Ranges are different with each lab.

Crisler is cheap compared to most Anti-aging doctors. But as with any other doctor he isn't going to make everyone happy. He does make most happy that gives him a chance. I have found that when it comes to the best doctors a person has to find someone that they can be open and honest with. A doctor that knows more than they do and treats each person as a individual. 1 that looks at all aspects of the illness is a must in my book. I have been to alot of doctors for various reasons throughout my life and most have been bad to say the least. I am defending Dr. Crilser because he is 1 of the better 1's. He sticks to his values and is not too proud to admit when he is wrong. Which he hasn't been with me so far. I go to him to get the best medical treatment for an illness, not get testosterone so I can be 20 years old again, even though I feel like I'm 20 years old. Any doctor can prescribe testosterone, but few can deal with all hormones to get a man feeling the best he can feel. He is 1 of them.

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by keith1958

IMO you want your levels of testosterone to be in the top of the range or a little over the range on both Total and Free. Estrogen I like it best between 15 and 20 using the ultra sensitive test and the ranges my lab gives. Ranges are different with each lab.

Crisler is cheap compared to most Anti-aging doctors. But as with any other doctor he isn't going to make everyone happy. He does make most happy that gives him a chance. I have found that when it comes to the best doctors a person has to find someone that they can be open and honest with. A doctor that knows more than they do and treats each person as a individual. 1 that looks at all aspects of the illness is a must in my book. I have been to alot of doctors for various reasons throughout my life and most have been bad to say the least. I am defending Dr. Crilser because he is 1 of the better 1's. He sticks to his values and is not too proud to admit when he is wrong. Which he hasn't been with me so far. I go to him to get the best medical treatment for an illness, not get testosterone so I can be 20 years old again, even though I feel like I'm 20 years old. Any doctor can prescribe testosterone, but few can deal with all hormones to get a man feeling the best he can feel. He is 1 of them.

I totally agree. When your testosterone is low, there are other problems a lot of times. I don't go to Dr. J but can tell he is very good. Even my Endo could diagnose hypogonadism and give me testosterone. The problem was I still felt bad and he was over his head. I found a local Environmental Medicine doctor and the difference is incredible. He did a complete thyroid test unlike the partial that all the other doctors have done and found my T3 very low. He did an ACTH stimulation test and found my adrenal insufficiency. Based on a 16 page life medical history and a 3 hours initial visit he decided to test me for allergies and found I have Candidaisis, I am allergic to dust, dust mites, and mold. I never would have guess. He also did 24 hour urine loading tests and found I was very deficient in magnesium and potassium.

A doctor needs to look at the whole picture and practice preventive medicine. That is the problem with our health care system right now. All doctors treat the symptoms with a drug and never look for a cause. Usually once they find one thing wrong they stop and just treat that. I believe a lot of it has to do with the insurance companies. Most of them don't pay for preventative treatment. They would rather wait until you are sick and then throw expensive drugs at it. I had a C-Reactive Protein Cardiac test done to look for inflammation and they wouldn't pay for it. It gives you a good clue if heart disease is building in your system. They have no problem paying for a very expensive stress test.?! To even turn in claims you have to have a diagnosis code which means something is already wrong.

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by BrianEE93

A doctor needs to look at the whole picture and practice preventive medicine. That is the problem with our health care system right now. All doctors treat the symptoms with a drug and never look for a cause. Usually once they find one thing wrong they stop and just treat that. I believe a lot of it has to do with the insurance companies. Most of them don't pay for preventative treatment. They would rather wait until you are sick and then throw expensive drugs at it. I had a C-Reactive Protein Cardiac test done to look for inflammation and they wouldn't pay for it. It gives you a good clue if heart disease is building in your system. They have no problem paying for a very expensive stress test.?! To even turn in claims you have to have a diagnosis code which means something is already wrong.

So true, I think they do not teach them properly in college. I read somewhere that medical schools were teaching how to fix problems until a Pharmaceutical comapny owned by Carnagie and someone else (not sure who)went to them and donated a ton of money and in turn have the college's teach the students about there meds they were producing at the time. This is the start of the downfall of medicine in my books. This was in 1920. I will look and find out where I saw this and let you know. I can not remember all the doctors I had, that once they knew I was not playing the pill game gave up, some even fired me. Said I had there hands tied. When the real problem was they were at a lost of how to go about finding out what would cause the problem. I see a really good Alternative Medicine doctor for my medical needs. so far so good. He was also the 1 that discovered I had Lyme disease instead of MS. He looks at what might cause the problem and comes up with ways to treat it naturally. He also works with me and listens to what I have to say. He admits he is not able to keep uo on all the advances in medicine and depends a lot on his patients that take a active role to keep him educated. He is also against the big Pharmaceutical Companies. They make some meds that are needed and I'm glad they do. But lets face it they are nothing but legal drug pushers. I'm off topic sorry. As you can see I'm not a big fan of the medical community.

[Streetbull]

Originally Posted by keith1958

I am defending Dr. Crilser because he is 1 of the better 1's. He sticks to his values and is not too proud to admit when he is wrong.

LOL! When my E2 shot up, he wanted to reduce my T dose, and became ANGRY (very angry) when I even questioned this. "How does reducing T help with low Testosterone, doc?" --- explosion city!

Guess he had alittle too much of his own 'sauce'.

[BrianEE93]

Originally Posted by Streetbull

LOL! When my E2 shot up, he wanted to reduce my T dose, and became ANGRY (very angry) when I even questioned this. "How does reducing T help with low Testosterone, doc?" --- explosion city!

Guess he had alittle too much of his own 'sauce'.

What was your total and bio-available test at that time?

Not saying he might not get a little testy sometimes.

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by Streetbull

LOL! When my E2 shot up, he wanted to reduce my T dose, and became ANGRY (very angry) when I even questioned this. "How does reducing T help with low Testosterone, doc?" --- explosion city!

Guess he had alittle too much of his own 'sauce'.

That makes sense to me also since testosterone converts to estrogen. I've never had any problems with him that way. I can see him being stern though. But like I said they can't get along with everyone. Not saying your fault just a fact of life, we all don't get along with everyone. I'm on a small dose of T-CYP and it works great with me. My levels are at the top and I mean at the top for testosterone. I feel better on the smaller doses for some reason. Started out on 200mg a week.

[Streetbull]

Originally Posted by keith1958

That makes sense to me also since testosterone converts to estrogen. I've never had any problems with him that way. I can see him being stern though. But like I said they can't get along with everyone. Not saying your fault just a fact of life, we all don't get along with everyone. I'm on a small dose of T-CYP and it works great with me. My levels are at the top and I mean at the top for testosterone. I feel better on the smaller doses for some reason. Started out on 200mg a week.

Reducing T would lower both T and E. I obviously have high levels of aromatase enzyme.

Getting angry at someone because they'd like an explanation and YOU'RE PAYING HIM is just plain crazy. The last thing I want is a doc with mental issues.

[keith1958]

Originally Posted by Streetbull

Reducing T would lower both T and E. I obviously have high levels of aromatase enzyme.

Getting angry at someone because they'd like an explanation and YOU'RE PAYING HIM is just plain crazy. The last thing I want is a doc with mental issues.

I agree with both statements. If you don't mind me asking what were your levels at the time. As far as Dr. Crilser I have to still say he is 1 of the best at this and I have never had a problem with him. And I have a problems with most. too bad your experience wasn't a good 1. I have went to doctors that everyone else liked and I got into it with right off the bat. It happens. Be glad you have 1 that you get along with now and is helping you. A lot don't ever get that.

[drew7373]

Originally Posted by AbramsM1

Little History-

For over a year I've been feeling tired, lethargic and lazy. I've had low libido. I've been gaining fat and losing strength slowly. I finally went to the doc and got my test levels checked.

Free Test-
11.1 on a normal scale of 9-30

Total Test-
427 on a normal scale of 240-950

I thought the free test was a bit low. I asked my doc about the results and he said all I needed to do was sleep more and stop exercising so much. I only work out 4-5 times per week for aobut 75 minutes a workout. My question is should I pursue the test levels further? I have all the symptoms of low test and I feel generally terrible all the time. I can't possibly sleep any more or I would be in a coma. I also don't understand how he can tell me to quit exercising so much when one of my chief complaints is that I'm getting fat and weak?

Any advice from those that have been through this?

Regards,
Abrams

find a new doc. You don't get fat and weak from exercising too much.

Get your T checked again in a couple months.

I've had T blood tests that were about the same as yours but since then I've had levels that qualify as testosterone deficiency . One test isn't enough.

Also..next time you go to a Doc ask to have your IGF-1(growth hormone) checked.

I was feeling just like you- weak, fat etc after having been in tip top shape for all my 20's.It turned out i had a benign pituitary gland tumor that was causing low T and low growth hormone.

i'm on genotropin(GH) and testim now and i'm actually feeling normal again. And i can actually lift a bench press again.

guess how many docs i had to go through for one to take me seriously? more than i can count on two hands dude

so dont give up

[Streetbull]

Originally Posted by keith1958

I agree with both statements. If you don't mind me asking what were your levels at the time. As far as Dr. Crilser I have to still say he is 1 of the best at this and I have never had a problem with him. And I have a problems with most. too bad your experience wasn't a good 1. I have went to doctors that everyone else liked and I got into it with right off the bat. It happens. Be glad you have 1 that you get along with now and is helping you. A lot don't ever get that.

I was in the 400s with T and my E2 (from two tests) was off the charts. He also got angry when I inquired about Arimidex. He is strange.

My current doc, also not very good, has me on HCG. His theory is that my body won't use exogenous T, so I need to make more of my own. Now, its good in theory but he wants me to do a deep IM with a 21 three times per week. No normal person is going to do that very long. Also, I found that HCG administered SC is just as well absorbed (Journal of Andrology) and I can use a 31. HCG is suspended in water, not oil.

[ZonaDave]

Originally Posted by Streetbull

I was in the 400s with T and my E2 (from two tests) was off the charts. He also got angry when I inquired about Arimidex. He is strange.

My current doc, also not very good, has me on HCG. His theory is that my body won't use exogenous T, so I need to make more of my own. Now, its good in theory but he wants me to do a deep IM with a 21 three times per week. No normal person is going to do that very long. Also, I found that HCG administered SC is just as well absorbed (Journal of Andrology) and I can use a 31. HCG is suspended in water, not oil.

my doc said if i have problems with the T Cyp aromatizing, the compounding pharmacy can add something to the T to prevent it. so far my E2 is in check.

i've been taking HCG (SubQ) as directed...very easy using insulin needles.

[Streetbull]

Originally Posted by ZonaDave

my doc said if i have problems with the T Cyp aromatizing, the compounding pharmacy can add something to the T to prevent it. so far my E2 is in check.

i've been taking HCG (SubQ) as directed...very easy using insulin needles.

Thanks. I'll ask about that. Any more info, name of compound, so on?

[ZonaDave]

Originally Posted by Streetbull

Thanks. I'll ask about that. Any more info, name of compound, so on?

i'll ask her this wednesday when i meet with her. i may have mistaken what she said but it sounded like it got mixed in with the T Cyp so you don't have to take additional meds.

[max-t10]

Hello!

I lost 100 pounds since May 2007 (1 year 2 months ago) due to dieting and some cardio!

Here is a round up of my stats to give you guys a clearer picture:

Height= 6?2
Weight= 170 lbs
Body Mass Index= 23
Body Fat Content= 21.7% (The BMI and BFC are falling at the same rate!)

Neck= 15.5
Chest= 38
Shoulder Width= 42
Biceps= 13.5 x 2
Waist= 39
Hips= 40
Quadriceps= 23 x 2
Calves= 17.5 x 2

My blood test results for hormones are:

Serum LH level= 4.4 iu/L

Serum fasting glucose level=5.1mmol/L and the range for this is 3.5-6.0 U

Serum testosterone levels=23.2 nmol/L

Serum TSH level=1.94 mu/L and the range here says 0.35-5.5 U

Serum prolactin level=150 mu/L and the range here is 45-375 U

It seems right now I am shrinking into a pencil!

I am only 20 years old, should this be normal?

I do have morning erections once in a while but I don't shave and have no chest hair. I also have something that looks like breasts but not ormal for a man anyway. My main non-physical problem is my lack of confidence and assertiveness.

This is by far the most informative thread, I have taken somethings on board.

Any feedback appreciated!

[Streetbull]

Originally Posted by max-t10

Hello!

Your diet killed off your Test production. Eat more but NO pasta, rice, bread, or anything that has high glycemic indices. Eggs, steak, salads,...

Since you have low Test, you want HCG (NOT Hgh) to fire up your testes. Do not let your doc begin testosterone injections just yet. Try to get your own production up. Only go to exogenous test if HCG fails. Then you also want arimidex if you have to do T. Buy it from a research chem site --- docs don't like to prescribe it and its expensive from a pharmacy (but pennies from research chem companies).

You must lift also. 3 days/week. Otherwise the increased cals will go back to fat. EAT a lot. LIFT a lot. Get your TESTOSTERONE up and ESTROGEN down.