Supps & overtraining

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Is anyone familiar with any supplements that aid in overcoming an overtrained state?

[RyanGrob]

Rest.

[RB12]

well if you are overtraining, sleep and recovery time is really what you need. most people actually misconstrue overtraining with soreness or being tired. Diet plays a big role in this as well. However, true overtraining is more a sign that you are training incorrectly and doing yourself an injustice.

That said, if you are not overtraining, but rather looking to overcome some fatigue and increase endurance, look into MAN Body Octane. Rated highly for athletes as it helps to reduce lactic acid, improve endurance and improve recovery:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/man/body.html

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by RyanGrob

Rest.

I understand that part but is there anything that particularlly aids with growth and repair?

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by RB12

well if you are overtraining, sleep and recovery time is really what you need. most people actually misconstrue overtraining with soreness or being tired. Diet plays a big role in this as well. However, true overtraining is more a sign that you are training incorrectly and doing yourself an injustice.

That said, if you are not overtraining, but rather looking to overcome some fatigue and increase endurance, look into MAN Body Octane. Rated highly for athletes as it helps to reduce lactic acid, improve endurance and improve recovery:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/man/body.html

I overtrain...7 days a week 2 times a day.

[RB12]

Originally Posted by Miinty.Oatmeal

I overtrain...7 days a week 2 times a day.

why not fix that then?

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by RB12

why not fix that then?

Because I am an exercise dependent anorexic. Although reducing my amount of exercise is a lot of fuss over nothing to some it is everything to me, unfortunately.

[bryce126]

then eat more, but thats beside your anorexic beliefs i suppose.

maybe buy a gainer powder, so that you think youre just taking a recovery supplement, but its really just liquid food. that or rest is what its gonna take, the body is not some machine you can override

[RB12]

Originally Posted by Miinty.Oatmeal

Because I am an exercise dependent anorexic. Although reducing my amount of exercise is a lot of fuss over nothing to some it is everything to me, unfortunately.

sounds like you have deeper problems then trying to find a supplement, not trying to be a dick, but imo masking symptoms will do no more than cause additional issues down the road. try seeking appropriate medical attention

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by bryce126

then eat more, but thats beside your anorexic beliefs i suppose.

maybe buy a gainer powder, so that you think youre just taking a recovery supplement, but its really just liquid food. that or rest is what its gonna take, the body is not some machine you can override

I tried. I finally got to the point where I don't count calories and allow myself to eat fruits. Every couple days I will get into and be like ok just eat and my weight stays at about 125 then I feel like a slack ass for doing that and I'll go back down to 121 or so. The problem is, I feel like I am eating enough as it is. I eat 7-8 times a day too. =/

Originally Posted by RB12

sounds like you have deeper problems then trying to find a supplement, not trying to be a dick, but imo masking symptoms will do no more than cause additional issues down the road. try seeking appropriate medical attention

Yea, I tried but I am 17 and the rents seem to be denying the fact I have a problem so I legally can't really get medical anything without their consent.

[ibanez0720]

Are you saying exercise anorexic because you dont eat or your addicted to training? Just wondering because in other post you talk about nutrition alot and you dont look like the typical anorexic person you are actually very well inshape IMO. I must rep you on that one.

[ibanez0720]

Originally Posted by ibanez0720

Are you saying exercise anorexic because you dont eat or your addicted to training? Just wondering because in other post you talk about nutrition alot and you dont look like the typical anorexic person you are actually very well inshape IMO. I must rep you on that one.

ooops I posted to late, I see now Im sorry

[ibanez0720]

7-8 times a day is good.

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by ibanez0720

Are you saying exercise anorexic because you dont eat or your addicted to training? Just wondering because in other post you talk about nutrition alot and you dont look like the typical anorexic person you are actually very well inshape IMO. I must rep you on that one.

Both. I have exercise dependence as well as anorexia. I am an atypical example because I weightlift everyday and somehow managed to maintain some of my muscle mass (unlike the 'typical anorexic' you are accustomed to) but am well below 10% body fat which I understand to be very unhealthy.

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by ibanez0720

7-8 times a day is good.

I know. I eat about a 300 at breakfast then workout and take in about 500 PWO. Then my next 4 meals or so are about 300 calkories and then before bed I'll have a tbs of protein powder and heat it up like hot chocolate and maybe eat some grapes or something. So I feel like I am eating too much; but I think that my activity level is so high that it is in actuality less than what I require to maintain my weight.

[baznguy]

i just got my torrent this week. it's great. I usually get really sore after leg days but I busted my balls and was not sore the next day. it's great for recovery

[RB12]

no supp will help you.

If you cannot seek medical attention then be cognizant of what you are doing and try to help yourself. Having bf below 10% is not necessarily unhealthy, some people are just naturally lean and maintain a low bf. however 5'7" and 120lbs is small.

all that said, I think you need to refine your diet regiment:
- 6+ meals per day, focus on whole foods (chicken, fish, beef, oats, veggies, fruits, nuts, natural pb, milk, etc.)
- first thing in the mornign and pre and post workout have a shake with a scoop of whey+cup of oats+water or milk
- Use these calculators to calculate maintenance:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa64.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/idssports3.htm
- Then go to fitday.com and input your diet. Shoot for a 40%/40%/20% macro breakdown for carbs/protein/cals for a bulk
- Start by tweaking your cals to be about 500 over maintenance and increase from there in increments of 100 or so until you break weight gain plateau for a bulk

"eyeballing" it as you put it doesnt work for anyone. if any person wants to gain or loose, they need to keep track of what they are eating bc it is never what they think it is. keep track of everything so you have real numbers to look at and can adjust your diet accordingly.

[Big_Spaz]

This happens to me from time to time.

The only thing that works for me is the following -


* Workout Program Change

* Rest (More Sleep)

*Scivation Xtend






-Spaz

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by RB12

no supp will help you.

If you cannot seek medical attention then be cognizant of what you are doing and try to help yourself. Having bf below 10% is not necessarily unhealthy, some people are just naturally lean and maintain a low bf. however 5'7" and 120lbs is small.

all that said, I think you need to refine your diet regiment:
- 6+ meals per day, focus on whole foods (chicken, fish, beef, oats, veggies, fruits, nuts, natural pb, milk, etc.)
- first thing in the mornign and pre and post workout have a shake with a scoop of whey+cup of oats+water or milk
- Use these calculators to calculate maintenance:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa64.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/idssports3.htm
- Then go to fitday.com and input your diet. Shoot for a 40%/40%/20% macro breakdown for carbs/protein/cals for a bulk
- Start by tweaking your cals to be about 500 over maintenance and increase from there in increments of 100 or so until you break weight gain plateau for a bulk

"eyeballing" it as you put it doesnt work for anyone. if any person wants to gain or loose, they need to keep track of what they are eating bc it is never what they think it is. keep track of everything so you have real numbers to look at and can adjust your diet accordingly.

The counting is what ultimately lead to this disorder and I think resorting back to that source will only be more detrimental. I am making progress on my own, although slow I must admit. A month or 2 ago I was at only about 1400 calories a day. I am a fan of whole foods now so, although good advice, I only find protein supplements acceptable when I have it before bed as a warm cup of milk to help me sleep. I do like the oatmeal though. =] Maybe you can help me with this as well...my focus is on building my leg muscles back up...is training these more or less often better and by doing 30 minutes cardio/day, am I breaking down any possible gains even though I supplement with an adequate amount of BCAAs?

[tothelimit27]

Originally Posted by Miinty.Oatmeal

I know. I eat about a 300 at breakfast then workout and take in about 500 PWO. Then my next 4 meals or so are about 300 calkories and then before bed I'll have a tbs of protein powder and heat it up like hot chocolate and maybe eat some grapes or something. So I feel like I am eating too much; but I think that my activity level is so high that it is in actuality less than what I require to maintain my weight.

I understand you know more about your own health and body then I do... but this doesnt sound annorexic at all I know plenty of girls that eat a ton less then that, i mean if you eat what you say your getting over 2000 calories a day with the amount you work out it may be under maitenance but to me it sounds healthy ... your pictures look great definitly not your typical anorexic

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by tothelimit27

I understand you know more about your own health and body then I do... but this doesnt sound annorexic at all I know plenty of girls that eat a ton less then that, i mean if you eat what you say your getting over 2000 calories a day with the amount you work out it may be under maitenance but to me it sounds healthy ... your pictures look great definitly not your typical anorexic

Then what, if you don't mind me asking, do these behaviors classify as:
*dropping from a healthy 145 down to 120 in about a month and a half
*i feel overweight
*i have an obssessive fixation on food worried i'll screw up by having something
*anxious and worried about having to eat
*strange food habits (you don't even want to know...)
*i find the control over what i put in my body empowering
*i have extreme mood swings
*i went from being a social butterfly to '**** everyone'
*always flipping cold
*amenorrhea
Do I need to continue? Anorexia is in a big part a mental thing; just because you don't see it does not mean it is there.

[diddy55]

sounds like you have OCD, i have battled this and it can be a living hell. Counting cals is the last thing you need to do my friend.

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by diddy55

sounds like you have OCD, i have battled this and it can be a living hell. Counting cals is the last thing you need to do my friend.

Yea...do you take meds for it?

[ibanez0720]

Originally Posted by diddy55

sounds like you have OCD, i have battled this and it can be a living hell. Counting cals is the last thing you need to do my friend.

I agree. IMO only a doctor can really help out on this one since its not A typical case. It does apear to be more OCD then anything IMO I know where im from @ 17 you can get Help from OCD or anarexia, I know some people right now that are your age that got help. Often times this means you must see a shrink to determine what exactly it is then they will prescribe you what you need to fix the chemical embalance.

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by ibanez0720

I agree. IMO only a doctor can really help out on this one since its not A typical case. It does apear to be more OCD then anything IMO I know where im from @ 17 you can get Help from OCD or anarexia, I know some people right now that are your age that got help. Often times this means you must see a shrink to determine what exactly it is then they will prescribe you what you need to fix the chemical embalance.

Well the one time I was taken to a doc I was diagnosed with it but the rents, like I said, think it is something I will get over..."teen phase" type deal.

[diddy55]

Originally Posted by Miinty.Oatmeal

Yea...do you take meds for it?

I have in the past, but it is hard to deal with regardless. People who who dont have it will never understand.

I have found that mega dosing fish oil helps. I take 15-20+ caps ed.

Also, at some point to just say try and let it go.....and accept whatever punishment your brain has told you that you will receive. You have to play games back with your mind.

Try telling yourself that unless you keep your weight at 145, there will be problems. Tell yourself that if you dont take 2 days off a week, there will be problems.

When you let some of it go, you will feel almost high.....its crazy.

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by diddy55

I have in the past, but it is hard to deal with regardless. People who who dont have it will never understand.

I have found that mega dosing fish oil helps. I take 15-20+ caps ed.

Also, at some point to just say try and let it go.....and accept whatever punishment your brain has told you that you will receive. You have to play games back with your mind.

Try telling yourself that unless you keep your weight at 145, there will be problems. Tell yourself that if you dont take 2 days off a week, there will be problems.

When you let some of it go, you will feel almost high.....its crazy.

That's where the anorexic mindset takes over...say I'll eat a good healthy meal that maybe 400 calories, 5 minutes later I am freaking out and there goes the rest of my day. I will go to sleep so I don't have to think about food or go exercise and drink a **** load of water so I can't bear to eat let alone tell if I am hungry. It's like one second you are so sure you have it under control and the next a slight digression in your day's plan and bam, right back to where you started.

[ibanez0720]

This is off subject a tad sorry but you know this is how I was with Smoking and drinking......I would try to quit and something would happen and bam right back to it.....it sucks, im getting better though, For me I had to change my mind frame and life. in my case working out supplemented for my addictions, and helps me stay away.

[ibanez0720]

Perhaps this is what you do to supp your eating....you work out, is there any way you can find a common ground between the two

[Miinty.Oatmeal]

Originally Posted by ibanez0720

Perhaps this is what you do to supp your eating....you work out, is there any way you can find a common ground between the two

I feel you with the smoking and drinking thing but that was easier for me to quit since it was more of a party favor than an addiction for me. But I am an upcoming senior this year so I have been trying to overload on college prep stuff to distract myself. It works at times but sometimes it goes in one ear and out the other because my lack of ability to focus due to my mind being preoccupied with food.