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[Nainoa]

That's what it looks like. Now, there will be noticeable losses. Some of the water from each rainshower will remain on the rooftop and evaporate. Some will coat the pipes/hose on the way to storage/the garden. Etc. When there is nothing but a bit of a sprinkle you might not get enough to count all the way through the system to the garden.

But if you start out with a theoretical maximum so far above what you need...losses won't be a big deal

Okay... Well even if I lose HALF I'm still looking at 700 gallons of rain water storage PER MONTH.

Hell I only have 6 barrels left!

So I could only store 330 gallons MAX

This is also at the base of the 500 foot long driveway where I'll be planting fruit trees amongst the hedge pines for a wind break I'm going to call "Orchard Row"

I'm just going to get some apple trees and butternuts in the ground this year... And then Orchard Row will be born next year... But I've been thinking about how I'm going to water all those fruit trees...

I was basically just going to fill a barrel in the box of my truck, set into a jig and strapped in place... Then once a week just idle down the driveway type of thing. But maybe I can design the rain barrel system in a way that it can refill my truck barrel!

[Farley1324]

LOL...

So then I found this: http://www.greatergoods.com/rainbarrelcalc.html

Which says: Your roof produces 485.9 gallons of water in every 1-inch rainstorm.

Times 3 inches = 1457.7 Gallons

So you were right Farley!

Sweet. I knew somebody had to have that out there somewhere. I just consulted one of my many unread books...Storey's Basic Country Skills, which is very serious, large (550 some pages) and covers all kinds of stuff, but I didn't find anything that discussed this just yet

[Nainoa]

Sweet. I knew somebody had to have that out there somewhere. I just consulted one of my many unread books...Storey's Basic Country Skills, which is very serious, large (550 some pages) and covers all kinds of stuff, but I didn't find anything that discussed this just yet

Yeah I know Storeys... IIRC, I'm the one that advised you to buy it!



So now comes the issue of "Water Pressure over distance."

Water, just like air follows the laws of fluid dynamics... Only water is of course incompressible...

So the higher it is and the larger the initial spigot coming out of the barrel the more pressure I can generate at the end of the hose. So I wonder how much pressure I can generate... If the dispenser barrel is has the spigot at 3 feet off the ground... Starting at a 1 inch hose that then adapts and decreases into a 5/8th inch hose!

Or maybe it would just be better to stick with soaker hoses for the garden and just have like 3 different spigots in three different barrels and then each barrel would have a backup barrel on with a valve connecting them and an over flow at the top!

[Farley1324]

Yeah I know Storeys... IIRC, I'm the one that advised you to buy it!



So now comes the issue of "Water Pressure over distance."

Water, just like air follows the laws of fluid dynamics... Only water is of course incompressible...

So the higher it is and the larger the initial spigot coming out of the barrel the more pressure I can generate at the end of the hose. So I wonder how much pressure I can generate... If the dispenser barrel is has the spigot at 3 feet off the ground... Starting at a 1 inch hose that then adapts and decreases into a 5/8th inch hose!

Or maybe it would just be better to stick with soaker hoses for the garden and just have like 3 different spigots in three different barrels and then each barrel would have a backup barrel on with a valve connecting them and an over flow at the top!

I had it long before I ever found this section. It was recommended in another survival/preparedness section I've been posting in since 2005. Still haven't read it...but it's a good reference to have on hand.

I dunno about pressure.

I wouldn't think it would be that much pressure, but I've never dealt with dynamics seriously

[Nainoa]

Just to give you guys an idea of the over all layout here's a crude map I just drew up.YardMap1X.jpg

[jafomofo]

Is that actually the same amoxycillin that you get from the doctor or vet supply for mammals?
(I've got a woman who runs a horse ranch that gets me some whenever I need it, but it's a pain to get one vial, let alone stock up)

according to survivalist boards its the same and its human grade according to some publications they linked in.

i don't really care about it for an shtf scenario although I suppose I should have some, I do want some to self medicate sinus infections though, that is a pain in the ass to deal with when you have a tight work schedule.

edit: people are already reselling it for lots of cash on ebay. funny

[Nainoa]

according to survivalist boards its the same and its human grade according to some publications they linked in.

i don't really care about it for an shtf scenario although I suppose I should have some, I do want some to self medicate sinus infections though, that is a pain in the ass to deal with when you have a tight work schedule.

edit: people are already reselling it for lots of cash on ebay. funny

See I know the Veterinary grade and the Human grade are the same exact thing... And they're both ingestables... But something seems off about a Topical application for fish...


I also come from the school of thought that "the best immune system is toughness."

[CTP1992]

See I know the Veterinary grade and the Human grade are the same exact thing... And they're both ingestables... But something seems off about a Topical application for fish...


I also come from the school of thought that "the best immune system is toughness."

how does a topical medication work on a fish? o_0

and do you guys know any good books on purely raising/breeding animals for food etc.

[Nainoa]

how does a topical medication work on a fish? o_0

and do you guys know any good books on purely raising/breeding animals for food etc.

It must be taken through their gills... Which I've got to imagine that gills are to fish what mucus membrane is to mammal.


As for animal husbandry... That is admittedly a weak spot in my skill set.


Although I wouldn't be shocked, with this new place that we're moving to, if two years from now I"m posting in this thread about my new chicken coop!



(Of course there are already gray fox living in my new yard, so the challenges are already built in!)


When I was a kid, and our land was still zoned rural/agricultural, my Mom raised rabbits. They are a prolific source of cheap protein... They basically eat anything green and one rabbit makes 4 rabbits that are an edible size in like 4-6 months. My Mom didn't have the heart to kill them, but we had so many that she would just trade the neighbor, if he killed two she'd give him one etc...


Goats are also like that in their high reproduction but low feeding cost AND they give milk if you take care of them right.

But I friggin DESPISE goats!

[Nainoa]

I had it long before I ever found this section. It was recommended in another survival/preparedness section I've been posting in since 2005. Still haven't read it...but it's a good reference to have on hand.

I dunno about pressure.

I wouldn't think it would be that much pressure, but I've never dealt with dynamics seriously

Storey's is a nice book for "Starting points."

Since it's a family that does truly live off the land, all their ideas and how they work together are applicable... It's just most of the ideas presented aren't thorough enough for you to just put it into practice yourself without at least doing a little more additional research.

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When it comes to water pressure off the rain barrels...

Gravity of course is a factor... The higher the rain barrel spigot is from the end of the hose the more draw down it will have. Because if you raise the end of the hose above the water level it will stop running out.

Also the more divisions you have in the hose, halves the pressure. So if you want to have 2 hoses running water out it's better to have 2 spigots on 2 different barrels than just 1 spigot with a Y splitter.

The key though to remember in all fluid dynamics, and it applies most to water... Is that if you decrease the diameter of hose (Or canyon or pipe or tunnel etc...) it will case the fluid to accelerate through the smaller diameter.

So if you start out with a spigot that is 1" diameter and then somewhere along the line you adapt it down to a 5/8" diameter, the water will accelerate in the same way that it accelerates when you put your finger over the hose.

[RyouBakua]

strong want



$10k w only 3000 miles

[Hartski]

Guy a couple houses down just got a Deuce and a half and it looks like they are modding it somehow. They have an extra chassis and a trailer with it.........

[Nainoa]

Guy a couple houses down just got a Deuce and a half and it looks like they are modding it somehow. They have an extra chassis and a trailer with it.........

Probably completely unrelated to prepping... Deuce and a half is the new grocery getter of the 21st century!

[Procta]

strong want



$10k w only 3000 miles

does it run on gas, diesel and used oil?

[RyouBakua]

10k is too steep for me

i would probably hop on one for 3-4k and use as a tow rig

(for yknow, when my tow truck gets a flat)

Guy a couple houses down just got a Deuce and a half and it looks like they are modding it somehow. They have an extra chassis and a trailer with it.........

uhaul trailer per chance?

Probably completely unrelated to prepping... Deuce and a half is the new grocery getter of the 21st century!

10mpg doesnt matter when running on 100% wvo

does it run on gas, diesel and used oil?

probably

[Nainoa]

So the Fruit tree deal I negotiated a couple weeks back went into processing with the wholesaler today.

They were out of a couple things already (Disadvantage of living in Zone 4)

3 Honeycrisp Apple trees All three Semi-Dwarf (One Supreme)
2 Golden Delicious Apple Trees (Both Semi-Dwarf)
2 Bubblegum plums (Both Semi Dwarf) Supreme
2 Gooseberry Bushes (Both European Invicta)
10 Jersey knight Asparagus roots
25 Sure Crop Strawberries (Bare Root) June Bearing

So with the sugar maple I'm bringing with me (Sacred Ojibawe tree from the battle of Sugar Bush Point) that will make 10 of the 50 fruit trees that I intend to fill along the 500 foot stretch I'm calling "Orchard Row"

[Procta]

came across this pretty cool modded Jeep company

http://www.actioncamper.com/camper.php

[Nainoa]

came across this pretty cool modded Jeep company

http://www.actioncamper.com/camper.php

I've got to imagine that with the wind drag created by that camper top, that the cost of a large pop up tent would pay for itself within a few hours on the highway.

[Procta]

I've got to imagine that with the wind drag created by that camper top, that the cost of a large pop up tent would pay for itself within a few hours on the highway.

well you are doing it wrong if you are in that on the highway, I dont have the $53k laying around anyways so we can poke fun at it

[Nainoa]

well you are doing it wrong if you are in that on the highway, I dont have the $53k laying around anyways so we can poke fun at it

When in doubt... Just get a Pontiac Aztek... It comes with an automatic popout tent in the rear SUV hatch thing... And the high degree of roll over is "Fun for the whole family!"

[RyouBakua]

When in doubt... Just get a Pontiac Aztek...

i dont hate on cars









but when i do its on Pontiac Azteks

[Nainoa]

i dont hate on cars









but when i do its on Pontiac Azteks

Just think... Once upon a time there were thousands of people who dropped giant piles of money on a brand new Pontiac Aztek fresh off the show room floor and then drove it around the neighborhood and home for Christmas just to show it off to friends, family and neighbors...

AND then there were Tens of thousands of people who had to listen to that gloating, and either felt envy or had to hide their disgust!

[Procta]

today's find...

If you are a millionaire prepper you might want to get one of these $6 million underground garages.......

http://gizmodo.com/5901333/million-d...ium=socialflow






yeah I cant find any cool budget friendly stuff

[Xenic]

The Bird-flu/H1N1 pandemic lady on this episode of Doomsday Preppers wasn't too bad... I'd definitely give her tha business post-SHTF

[Nainoa]

The Bird-flu/H1N1 pandemic lady on this episode of Doomsday Preppers wasn't too bad... I'd definitely give her tha business post-SHTF

LOL... Yeah I caught that as well.

I also LOL'd at the guy who was like "Our only option is to escape to the sea!"

If I've got to choose between: Woods, Mountain or Sea... I'm picking the goddam SEA last...

Now I can understand "Escape to the sea" because it's a fast route out of the urban sprawl and it takes him to a bug out location on an island North West of Vancouver or something. I mean that would be innovative and brilliant.

But he's all wanting to play "Waterworld 2" the home game!

[lhprop1]

The Bird-flu/H1N1 pandemic lady on this episode of Doomsday Preppers wasn't too bad... I'd definitely give her tha business post-SHTF

The garage people were tards. If they think that they're going to survive for 60 days in a bunker the size of a bathroom without killing each other, they're even stupider than I imagined. If they do happen to survive that, the chances of their sailboat just magically waiting for them undisturbed in the harbor are going to be less than zero.

Crazy old guy was just crazy. I bet the mayor just said they were going to buy extra transformers to get him to stop bugging him. Major lulz at his 12mph crapmobile being able to outrun marauders.

[Xenic]

LOL... Yeah I caught that as well.

I also LOL'd at the guy who was like "Our only option is to escape to the sea!"

If I've got to choose between: Woods, Mountain or Sea... I'm picking the goddam SEA last...

Now I can understand "Escape to the sea" because it's a fast route out of the urban sprawl and it takes him to a bug out location on an island North West of Vancouver or something. I mean that would be innovative and brilliant.

But he's all wanting to play "Waterworld 2" the home game!

lol. you talking about the family that hiked 15 miles at night after staying in their urban foxhole for "60 days"?

I think his plan was to escape to an unpopulated island... i remember one of the things DP dinged him for is not having a contingency plan for getting to his bug out loation if his boat got raided/damaged.

[Nainoa]

The garage people were tards. If they think that they're going to survive for 60 days in a bunker the size of a bathroom without killing each other, they're even stupider than I imagined. If they do happen to survive that, the chances of their sailboat just magically waiting for them undisturbed in the harbor are going to be less than zero.

Crazy old guy was just crazy. I bet the mayor just said they were going to buy extra transformers to get him to stop bugging him. Major lulz at his 12mph crapmobile being able to outrun marauders.

Oh yeah... I almost forgot about the "Garbage Can" faraday cage and his Jumper Cables "Test."


Maybe someone should inform him that the friggin' garbage can is made out of tin and slag aluminum composites and that for a faraday cage to work it needs to be a conductive or a ferrous metal!

[Nainoa]

lol. you talking about the family that hiked 15 miles at night after staying in their urban foxhole for "60 days"?

I think his plan was to escape to an unpopulated island... i remember one of the things DP dinged him for is not having a contingency plan for getting to his bug out loation if his boat got raided/damaged.

Now maybe I missed the "Island" part of it... I just heard "Escape to the sea because the sea is safer than land."

[lhprop1]

Now maybe I missed the "Island" part of it... I just heard "Escape to the sea because the sea is safer than land."

What about his pirate contingency? I'm sure in the 60 days that he has his head buried under his garage, the other people with boats will have been honing their pirate skills.