Proviron or winstrol

[b631]

Been doing the research and if anyone has the time to consider answering this I would be thankful.

First cycle- probably in end of August, going to try what PG has suggested, and also based on BigCats info
looks like:
Test E @ 500mg every week (week 1-12)
Dbol @ 30mg everyday, 30 min before workout (weeks 1-4)
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/20 (week 13-17)
Clomid - 100/100/50 (week 13-15)

now the question
I have been told- from guys in the gym, as well as doing the research to add 25 mg of Proviron at week four.

or can I add 50 mg of winstrol instead?

they both would go from weeks 4- 13.

Thank you

[Clive Jones]

they are 2 completely different compounds?

[WRX20PSI]

I would add both but run the proviron from start to finish

[BIG case]

Originally Posted by b631

Been doing the research and if anyone has the time to consider answering this I would be thankful.

First cycle- probably in end of August, going to try what PG has suggested, and also based on BigCats info
looks like:
Test E @ 500mg every week (week 1-12)
Dbol @ 30mg everyday, 30 min before workout (weeks 1-4)
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/20 (week 13-17)
Clomid - 100/100/50 (week 13-15)

now the question
I have been told- from guys in the gym, as well as doing the research to add 25 mg of Proviron at week four.

or can I add 50 mg of winstrol instead?

they both would go from weeks 4- 13.

Thank you

Go with what you stated the first time,f**k proviron and winny theyre both weak...why would you wanna run winny right after dbol?? Youll gain great off Test and Dbol assuming training,diet,etc are in check

[b631]

I am aware they are two different compounds, and they are weak by themselves.

MakinItBIg-Was considering the anti-estrogen effects of both- and wanted to know what people used- and why.

WRX20PSI- Why would you run both?

BIG case- was considering them, just one of the products, for the anti estrogen effects, which seems is a side effect of winstrol and the primary of proviron.
According to the research I have done- which is all over the place, the benifits to the winstrol is the reduction of water retention.

- Thank you for responding-

[bdiesel]

winstrol is not an anti estrogen. nor does it reduce water. it gives the APPEARANCE of reducing water because it is a hardener and people who use it are dieting and doing increased cardio. it suppresses hpta which in turn can cause elevated estrogen.

proviron is only weak when you take a weak dosage (same with stanozolol for that matter). run 150mg ed and you won't have the same opinion. it gives you similar effects to a mild dose of masteron - it hardens you up and reduces water retention. plus it also acts as an anti estrogen, as we all obviously know.

but.... imo you don't need it. get some extra nolva and keep it on hand. you can also run the dbol out to 8 weeks if you really wanted to. you aren't running any other anabolics and that is the only 17 alky. get some liv 52 and you'll be fine. if it were me i would run the dbol right through the whole thing. your total mg per week is only 710mg and again, the dbol dose is mild and it's the only liver taxing thing you're using. if you were to run winny at 50mg you'd be taxing the liver more than you would if you just ran the dbol out.

[N4cer]

Suppressed HPTA doesn't cause elevated estrogen levels. It causes suppressed androgen and estrogen levels. But yes, you're right about winny. It has no water shedding effects. It really isn't even a "hardener" like people say, since there's no such thing as something that'll "solidify" gains. It just is a non-aromatizing steroid. Period. It's so simple that people choose to complicate it.

b631: you ask someone why they say to use both, but you in fact choose to use BOTH clomiphene and tamoxifen during PCT. Why? They serve the exact same purpose during PCT. CHOOSE ONE.