Gay: A Choice or nature, does it matter

[spol8910]

Does it matter if people choose to be gay or if they are born gay? I believe people are born gay but I don't think it matters. We have every right to choose to be gay if we wanted too.



CORRECTION:
When I say choice, I'm referring to attraction. Not the actual act of who you ****.

[stateless]

I always ask what people mean by "choice" and they never seem to answer me. Can you explain what you mean, so I can choose an option in the poll?

[TDetroit]

the only way making the choice to be gay is bad is when a person who makes that choice becomes annoying and tries to get the rest of us to change our lives to accomodate their choice.

if you make a choice, and EVERYONE else is inadvertantly in your way, the proper thing to do is reconsider your choice, the omproper thing to do is wine about it.

[%%%%]

I vote "Gay is always bad"..

[spol8910]

I vote "Gay is always bad"..

wow, you anti-gay. Big surprise there. Why don't you respond to my McCain comment and his stances on gay rights. Have you changed your mind about voting for him?

[spol8910]

the only way making the choice to be gay is bad is when a person who makes that choice becomes annoying and tries to get the rest of us to change our lives to accomodate their choice.

if you make a choice, and EVERYONE else is inadvertantly in your way, the proper thing to do is reconsider your choice, the omproper thing to do is wine about it.

What are we winieng about? Would you like us to shut up when:

A gay guy gets beat up for being gay.
A gay guy gets slaughtered for being gay.
A gay couple in a monogamous relationship is denied benefits and even the
right to see each other on their death beds in some hospitals.

[spol8910]

I always ask what people mean by "choice" and they never seem to answer me. Can you explain what you mean, so I can choose an option in the poll?

I wake up one day and decide that I don't like women, so I'll try men.

[stateless]

I wake up one day and decide that I don't like women, so I'll try men.

Hmm, well that doesn't make much sense to me. If you woke up and you literally were no longer attracted to women but had an attraction for men, that attraction still isn't be a choice. If an attraction isn't there and someone has sex with someone of the same gender, what is their motivation? It just doesn't happen- except for maybe in porn.

People talk about homosexuality being a choice when realistically the only reason people have sex with someone of the same gender (or opposite gender) is because they find them attractive. That attraction is not a choice.

Of course actually choosing to have sex with someone is a choice, but then the same applies to heterosexuality. No-one ever says "Is heterosexuality a choice?"

I'm going to have to choose the answer which most closely resembles my view which is the top option.

[Astaldoath]

someone may have a genetic predisposition to be attracted to men but that doesnt mean they should act on it.

There is no excuse, just like there is no excuse for men and women out there whoring themselfs around.

God hates the sin not the sinner, Homosexuality is a sin, sex out of marriage is a sin, so since men cannot be married to men in gods eyes it is a sin no matter what. Just as going out and banging a girl u met in a bar is a sin. Gay people dont deserve to be treated less than human, but they dont deserve to be treated better than straight people, same with women and minorities, we give them all this special treatment its sickening

[spol8910]

Hmm, well that doesn;t make sense to me. If you woke up and you literally were no longer attracted to women but had an attraction for men, that attraction wouldn't be a choice.


People talk about homosexuality being a choice when realistically the only reason people have sex with someone of the same gender (or opposite gender) is because they find them attractive. That attraction is not a choice.

Of course actually choosing to have sex with someone is a choice, but then the same applies to heterosexuality. No-one ever says "Is heterosexuality a choice?"

I'm going to have to choose the sanswer which most closely resembles my view which is the top option.

Maybe I stated it wrong. But you believe attraction is not a choice I assume. That was my initial question.

[TDetroit]

What are we winieng about? Would you like us to shut up when:

A gay guy gets beat up for being gay.
A gay guy gets slaughtered for being gay.
A gay couple in a monogamous relationship is denied benefits and even the
right to see each other on their death beds in some hospitals.

the first 2 should be approached as crimes. I am italian, we had the same thing happen to us, to we scream racism, no we report the crime to the authorities and let the bad guys go to jail (and if they don't go to jail, fu-get-about-it, it's all taken care of)

the third one- all the people have to do is fill out the paperwork that allows the visitation. BTW straights have to obey the same rule. Wives are not allowed to know the condition of husbands in the hospital unless the paperwork is filled out correctly, or the husband is awake to tell her. it called HIPPA, it's a law designed to protect gays, instead it screws ALL people, straight or gay.

[stateless]

Maybe I stated it wrong. But you believe attraction is not a choice I assume. That was my initial question.

Yes, I believe that attraction is not something people can choose or alter significanty.

[TDetroit]

Maybe I stated it wrong. But you believe attraction is not a choice I assume. That was my initial question.

i will agree with you and stateless on this point - you don't choose who you love - but you do choose whether to be hetero or homo sexual

[Minotaur]

you don't choose who you love - but you do choose whether to be hetero or homo sexual

Huh!? How do you have sex with someone unattractive to you?

If you don't ever, ever, ever in your life have sex with a man, but you find them attractive, you are still homosexual.

If you don't ever, ever, ever in your life have sex with a woman, but you find them attractive, you are still heterosexual.

Homosexuality is not an activity or behavior any more than heterosexuality is. There is either celibacy and chastity, or there isn't.

[stateless]

the only way making the choice to be gay is bad is when a person who makes that choice becomes annoying and tries to get the rest of us to change our lives to accomodate their choice.

if you make a choice, and EVERYONE else is inadvertantly in your way, the proper thing to do is reconsider your choice, the omproper thing to do is wine about it.

What if your name is Rosa Park, and you're sitting at the back or the bus and you decide that no matter how society views you, no matter what the consequences, you are going to stand up for what you believe in? I'm not directly comparing the two situations because there are stark differences, but simply stating that sometimes we do not see injustice staring us in the face, and anyone wishing to live their life with a person they love... if others find that as some kind of inconveince, then who really has the problem? If a person is living a quiet, law abiding life and all around them are losing their heads, there is surely compromise to be made on both sides. If you're not troubling anyone else, others should allow you to live your life.

[Minotaur]

someone may have a genetic predisposition to be attracted to men but that doesnt mean they should act on it.

No, we should be denied physical love because we are different in ONE out of HUNDREDS of aspects of our lives. Hey, works for me!

[stateless]

i will agree with you and stateless on this point - you don't choose who you love - but you do choose whether to be hetero or homo sexual

I think this again all comes down to definitions again. I certainly agree that you don;t choose who you love or are attracted to.

The second part, I "assume" that you mean you choose who you actually have sex with??

I think many people will get tripped up with your choice of definition, because it isn't necassarily implied in the terms heterosexual or homosexual that it relates specifically to having sex.

[Astaldoath]

No, we should be denied physical love because we are different in ONE out of HUNDREDS of aspects of our lives. Hey, works for me!

in a sense yes. So should the people having sex outside of marriage be denied "physical love"

[2coop]

where is the following two poll options:

all gay is ok

dont care

[spol8910]

in a sense yes. So should the people having sex outside of marriage be denied "physical love"

When you make the choice to live your life with one person you are giving up your right to have sex freely with who you choose. If you don't want to give that up, don't choose to get married.

[AKR]

Gay is always fine. People need to quite being loser douches and just leave gay people alone.

[spol8910]

where is the following two poll options:

all gay is ok

dont care

I should have included all gay is ok but I don't think I can edit it. And I was under the assumption that like me, people on here have an opinion about everything lol.

[Less Than 3]

ppl r born gay. and it does matter. a lot actually.


and lulz @ poll.

[Gadsden]

I've never understood why people argue against homosexuality being a genetic phenomenon, as if suddenly the widespread belief that it is a born issue would excuse it. There are plenty of other behaviors which are viewed as wrong, and the fact that these are genetically influenced does not make them less wrong.

[spol8910]

I've never understood why people argue against homosexuality being a genetic phenomenon, as if suddenly the widespread belief that it is a born issue would excuse it. There are plenty of other behaviors which are viewed as wrong, and the fact that these are genetically influenced does not make them less wrong.

My point exactly. I feel for the gay guys who try to convince people who disagree with them that it is a not a choice. It does'nt matter to these fundies if it's a choice or not. They will always feel the need to force their lifestyles on everyone else and not let them live their lives the way they see fit.

[Less Than 3]

I've never understood why people argue against homosexuality being a genetic phenomenon, as if suddenly the widespread belief that it is a born issue would excuse it. There are plenty of other behaviors which are viewed as wrong, and the fact that these are genetically influenced does not make them less wrong.

then if ppl r born gay... why is it wrong to be gay?

and plz dont say "the bible says..."

[Gadsden]

My point exactly. I feel for the gay guys who try to convince people who disagree with them that it is a not a choice. It does'nt matter to these fundies if it's a choice or not. They will always feel the need to force their lifestyles on everyone else and not let them live their lives the way they see fit.

I think you might have missed my drift. I was just saying that it doesn't make sense for it to matter if it is born or learned, because there are plenty of traits that people exhibit, both born or learned that are wrong either way. Someone is not off the hook for having a genetic predisposition for having temper tantrums, they just have to work harder to stop it. This is why I think it's a moot point.

[stateless]

I've never understood why people argue against homosexuality being a genetic phenomenon, as if suddenly the widespread belief that it is a born issue would excuse it. There are plenty of other behaviors which are viewed as wrong, and the fact that these are genetically influenced does not make them less wrong.

and I laugh that people think that homosexuality is a behaviour that needs to be "excused".

Let's all laugh together... muhahahhehehehaha

[Gadsden]

then if ppl r born gay... why is it wrong to be gay?

that's a discussion for another thread, and an argument that I've given many times before and something I don't really want to get bogged down in now.

and plz dont say "the bible says..."

that wouldn't be my primary argument, but why couldn't I say that? Isn't it possible that the reasoning in the bible is arguable?

[spol8910]

I think you might have missed my drift. I was just saying that it doesn't make sense for it to matter if it is born or learned, because there are plenty of traits that people exhibit, both born or learned that are wrong either way. Someone is not off the hook for having a genetic predisposition for having temper tantrums, they just have to work harder to stop it. This is why I think it's a moot point.

No I was being sarcastic. You think its a moot point, and it is indeed. However you still feel the need, whether its a choice or not, to tell them how to live their lives. We don't force our beliefes on you, but for some reason fundies feel the need to force their views on the world.