The Pineal Gland

[Amris]

I have been fascinated by this particular gland for a while now. It has some interesting features, and it is featured widely throughout many, many cultures, all over the world, in their religious traditions. Often in cultures that historically are assumed to have had no contact with each other since time so ancient that it seems impossible any culture could have survived the separation (if then, even).

So I thought I'd create a thread for those of us who are interested in this odd little organ.

Here's a place to discuss calcification of the Pineal, and possible ways to combat or reverse it. A place to discuss its possible religious/spiritual significance. A place to discuss possible ways of activating or awakening it (or whether that's even possible or just speculation, even).

[Amris]

The Pineal gland is known to secrete melatonin. Not to be confused with melanin-- which is responsible for tanning coloration of the skin. (By the way, melatonin is known to decrease secretion during our lifespan-- I wonder if that's linked in some way to calcification of it)

Melatonin puts us to sleep, and it activates the EMF that the Pineal creates when you close your eyes. When we sleep, as we all know, we dream. I suspect, though I cannot prove it of course, that this is a function of the Pineal gland. That the visualizations that occur during dreaming are a result of the pineal.

So far as I can see, there appears to be at least an anecdotal connection to the calcification of the Pineal gland, and flouride intake. Indeed, the calcification of the Pineal is so common on the USA that they base brain scans on the position of this calcified gland to know whether or not people have brain tumors... if the Pineal is moved, then there's pressure on that side of the brain.

From a spiritual point of view, I believe that it's remarkably important to note the fact that the Pineal is one of the the only parts of the brain that isn't dualistic. It is a single organ, without two parts to it... though there is some speculation linking it to the pituitary (beyond the obvious "both are in the brain" link).

[jackfast1]

Originally Posted by Amris

I have been fascinated by this particular gland for a while now. It has some interesting features, and it is featured widely throughout many, many cultures, all over the world, in their religious traditions. Often in cultures that historically are assumed to have had no contact with each other since time so ancient that it seems impossible any culture could have survived the separation (if then, even).

So I thought I'd create a thread for those of us who are interested in this odd little organ.

Here's a place to discuss calcification of the Pineal, and possible ways to combat or reverse it. A place to discuss its possible religious/spiritual significance. A place to discuss possible ways of activating or awakening it (or whether that's even possible or just speculation, even).

teh Pornz usually does it for me...








oh wait! wrong gland...

[Amris]

Another interesting feature of the Pineal gland is that its blood flow lvl is second only to the kidney. For a tiny, supposedly pointless gland, that seems significant, to me. (Arendt, 1988, pp. 205-206)

Interestingly enough, it is clearly linked to the other eyes. This can be extrapolated from the fact that the Pineal is linked to photoperiodic influences on reproductive cycles, coat color, coat growth, and seasonal variations in behaviors of many mammals (Arendt, 1988). ?Many other seasonal variations both physiological and pathological exist in humans and it will be of interest to consider their possible relationship to daylength and other seasonal synchronizers? (Arendt, 1988, p. 210), and the fact that these factors deviate in blind people and those with Pineal tumors: Pineal tumors have been associated with both precocious and delayed puberty in humans (Kitay & Altschule, 1954; Turner & Bagnara, 1971). Blindness has been linked to earlier menarche in girls and blind adults also appear to exhibit disynchronicities related to photosensitivity (Parkes, 1976; Lewy & Newsome, 1983).

To qualify, of course, it's not solely responsible for these attributes, but the evidence is compelling, IMO:

Melatonin secretion increases during sleep and decreases during waking hours (Axelrod, 1974; Arato, et al., 1985). Since light both entrains and suppresses melatonin secretion, melatonin has been called a ?darkness hormone? (Arendt, 1988). Arginine vasotocin (AVT), another pineal secretion linked to sleep cycles, has been found to induce slow-wave sleep in cats (Pavel, Psatta & Goldstein, 1977) and a specific AVT antiserum markedly increases the number of REM (rapid eye movement or dream sleep) periods while decreasing REM latency (Pavel & Goldstein, 1981). However, the role of the pineal in the modulation of circadian rhythms such as sleep cycles cannot be considered as primary. Rather, it works in conjunction with other systems and has its basis in evolutionary processes.

Another factor that may be involved in the calcification of the Pineal (and this is my personal speculation, based on other factors) is the large amounts of EMF that Americans are bombarded with:

The pineal may also serve as a somatic interface with other sources of environmental energy designated as extremely low frequency (ELF) electric and magnetic-field exposure. Wilson, Stevens, and Anderson (1989) reviewed studies of ELF electromagnetic-field exposure in relation to health risks such as cancer, depression, and birth outcome (e.g. miscarriage, stillbirth). Citing work from their laboratory and elsewhere which shows that ELF field exposure alters the normal circadian rhythm of melatonin synthesis and release in the pineal gland, the authors present evidence which suggest pineal susceptibility to such sources:

Whether directly affected or not, the pineal is a convenient locus for monitoring dyschronogenic effects of these fields. It appears ever more plausible, however, that the pineal may also play a central role in the biological response to this environmental factor. (Wilson, Stevens & Anderson, 1989, p. 1328)

Anyway, I'll post more as it comes up. I thought this would be a good start for discussion.

[Amris]

Originally Posted by jackfast1

teh Pornz usually does it for me...








oh wait! wrong gland...

Dude, that was WAY TMI.

[LuciusW]

The Pineal Gland is the psychic centre and powerhouse of the human body.

It secretes DMT, a natural substance that opens ones mind to the spirit world.


Have a look around here in the meditations section: www.JoyOfSatan.org



(Welcome back to the forums btw)

[Amris]

I'll look. "The Joy of Satan" is a little off-putting, though, LOL!

And thanks.

[LuciusW]

Originally Posted by Amris

I'll look. "The Joy of Satan" is a little off-putting, though, LOL!

And thanks.

That's perfectly understandable Amris. Satan is a Pagan God who was demonized by the Roman Catholic Church. No need to get off topic though, the info is on the website.

[Minotaur]

All right folks, let's strike up the gland and get this party going!

(pretty bad huh? )

[Resonator]

Originally Posted by Amris

The Pineal gland is known to secrete melatonin. Not to be confused with melanin-- which is responsible for tanning coloration of the skin. (By the way, melatonin is known to decrease secretion during our lifespan-- I wonder if that's linked in some way to calcification of it)

Melatonin puts us to sleep, and it activates the EMF that the Pineal creates when you close your eyes. When we sleep, as we all know, we dream. I suspect, though I cannot prove it of course, that this is a function of the Pineal gland. That the visualizations that occur during dreaming are a result of the pineal.

So far as I can see, there appears to be at least an anecdotal connection to the calcification of the Pineal gland, and flouride intake. Indeed, the calcification of the Pineal is so common on the USA that they base brain scans on the position of this calcified gland to know whether or not people have brain tumors... if the Pineal is moved, then there's pressure on that side of the brain.

From a spiritual point of view, I believe that it's remarkably important to note the fact that the Pineal is one of the the only parts of the brain that isn't dualistic. It is a single organ, without two parts to it... though there is some speculation linking it to the pituitary (beyond the obvious "both are in the brain" link).

Your theory is wrong. The visualizations that occur during dreaming are a result of DMT.

[Amris]

Originally Posted by Minotaur

All right folks, let's strike up the gland and get this party going!

(pretty bad huh? )

Someday, man, someday!!

[Amris]

Originally Posted by Silent Sniper

Your theory is wrong. The visualizations that occur during dreaming are a result of DMT.

Yes, I understand that DMT is what induces them. However, due to the nature of the gland, I believe they take place "in" the gland. That the gland is where they originate, brought about by the introduction of the DMT to the pineal gland.

Hope that clarifies what I meant.

[The_Big_E]

Originally Posted by Minotaur

All right folks, let's strike up the gland and get this party going!

(pretty bad huh? )

Only would have been worse had you said...

All right folks, let's strike up the gland and have a gay old time!
=)

[Resonator]

Originally Posted by Amris

Yes, I understand that DMT is what induces them. However, due to the nature of the gland, I believe they take place "in" the gland. That the gland is where they originate, brought about by the introduction of the DMT to the pineal gland.

Hope that clarifies what I meant.

So, how'd you create that theory?

[Amris]

Originally Posted by Silent Sniper

So, how'd you create that theory?

The Pineal is basically no more than a third "eye." And by that, I don't mean the esoteric "third eye," I mean it's a physical eye. It has rods and cones and is filled with water, just like our "regular" eyes.

This indicates that it is a light receptor. As such, I hypothosize that a "light show" of sorts takes place within the Pineal, precipitated by DMT, and this is what is interpreted by the brain as "dreaming."

Keep in mind, of course, that I am a spiritual person, and I believe that some of these experiences are genuine spiritual experiences. Therefor, my theories will be from my perspective of belief that the Pineal is the key to spiritual connection and experiences. What I take from the science is, for me, purposed to either support or dispose of that theory.

I would appreciate if we could discuss it without descending into mocking each other for our belief or lack of belief in spirituality.

Of course, that's just a personal request, and you have every right not to honor it.

[Resonator]

Originally Posted by Amris

The Pineal is basically no more than a third "eye." And by that, I don't mean the esoteric "third eye," I mean it's a physical eye. It has rods and cones and is filled with water, just like our "regular" eyes.

This indicates that it is a light receptor. As such, I hypothosize that a "light show" of sorts takes place within the Pineal, precipitated by DMT, and this is what is interpreted by the brain as "dreaming."

Keep in mind, of course, that I am a spiritual person, and I believe that some of these experiences are genuine spiritual experiences. Therefor, my theories will be from my perspective of belief that the Pineal is the key to spiritual connection and experiences. What I take from the science is, for me, purposed to either support or dispose of that theory.

I would appreciate if we could discuss it without descending into mocking each other for our belief or lack of belief in spirituality.

Of course, that's just a personal request, and you have every right not to honor it.

You have indeed created an interesting theory. I'm not trying to mock you, btw.

[SteR-]

sounds interesting whatever it is *goes to google*

[Minotaur]

Originally Posted by The_Big_E

Only would have been worse had you said...

All right folks, let's strike up the gland and have a gay old time!
=)

Oh man! I wish I did say that! Damn, I'm slow!

[Amris]

Originally Posted by Silent Sniper

You have indeed created an interesting theory. I'm not trying to mock you, btw.

It's cool. I'm just letting you know where I'm coming from. I view the Pineal as the "seat of the soul," right now. Until I am given reason to believe that these visions don't "originate" there in one form or another (by DMT acting upon it, or some other way), then it is the theory that I am researching from.

I'm trying to keep as much of my spirituality out of it as I can, but I won't deny the bias nor the viewpoint from which I am researching.

My bias is that I wish to more fully activate the Pineal gland, find out if and how I can decalcify it, and otherwise discover is it's possible to restore its function-- trying to sort out whether or not its function is even what I think it is, through studying the science and hopefully through personal experience.

I believe it would be dishonest for me to attempt to hide my bias, yet at the same time, I would like to have open dialogue about the science, because this is how I can either solidify or discredit my theories (thus increasing my research here, or moving on).

[SteR-]

interesting how active it supposedly is before puberty

[Amris]

Originally Posted by LuciusW

That's perfectly understandable Amris. Satan is a Pagan God who was demonized by the Roman Catholic Church. No need to get off topic though, the info is on the website.

Thanks for the link. I am finding it quite fascinating.

[IraHays]

Sheduma's avatar usually awakens mine.

[Amris]

Originally Posted by SteR-

interesting how active it supposedly is before puberty

Yes. I have no proof that it's linked, but also consider the fact that children live the first 14 years of their live in a predominantly alpha or delta brainwave state. States that are the desired achievement of meditators, and a state just prior to delta, which is (I believe-- I guess I should google first, but I think I'm right) the state in which we dream. This just occured to me, so I think I'll make that a focus of my looking into next... whether it's known yet or not in what brainwave state people are when they have "visions."

http://www.synthesislearning.com/article/brwav.htm (brainwave state information)

[The_Big_E]

Originally Posted by Amris

Yes. I have no proof that it's linked, but also consider the fact that children live the first 14 years of their live in a predominantly alpha or delta brainwave state. States that are the desired achievement of meditators, and a state just prior to delta, which is (I believe-- I guess I should google first, but I think I'm right) the state in which we dream. This just occured to me, so I think I'll make that a focus of my looking into next... whether it's known yet or not in what brainwave state people are when they have "visions."

http://www.synthesislearning.com/article/brwav.htm (brainwave state information)

You know I'll admit most of this is above my head but this part is interesting. Would explain why children seem to have a stronger paranormal connection than adults.

[SteR-]

Is there any info on how it works within other animals? Dogs etc supposedly have this enhanced 'paranormal' detection.. so I wonder if theirs is setup like a childs. I'll google this later when i have time

[Amris]

Originally Posted by SteR-

Is there any info on how it works within other animals? Dogs etc supposedly have this enhanced 'paranormal' detection.. so I wonder if theirs is setup like a childs. I'll google this later when i have time

I assume it would work the same way. The work I cited earlier says that other mammals (dogs are included) have the Pineal gland, as well, and the Pineal gland has an impact upon regulating the processes of growth, etc.

[frankenstein]

Immediately after seeing the thread title I thought of the movie 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.' hehehe.

[Rune]

I think you'll enjoy this video.

http://vidslib.com/index.php?view=6117435

[rickolas]

lol i read about that gland and what it supposedly does then i tried ketamine and it was just like what they said

[Rune]

Originally Posted by Amris

Yes, I understand that DMT is what induces them. However, due to the nature of the gland, I believe they take place "in" the gland. That the gland is where they originate, brought about by the introduction of the DMT to the pineal gland.

Hope that clarifies what I meant.

They definitely don't take place in the gland(although there are neurons there, they are few in number), the chemical more than likely serves to allow signals into the visual cortex that are usually inhibited in normal brain activity.

The resemblance of some cells of the pineal to photoreceptors is far greater in lower vertebrates, in mammals they are quite different.