post workout carbs

[tsaiwins]

guys, post your opinions on what you believe is the best post workout carb supplement. waxy maize, glyco maize etc. also if u can add why u think its the best

[beer_and_boobs]

gatorade

[blurrr]

ugh no

waxy maize starch is the new carb on the block. Fastest digesting, makes your muscle belly nice and round and quickly restores those glycogen levels. Glycomaize is a combination of WMS and a slower digesting carb, i use it.

[gainmusclefast]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cl...denfinish.html

[bigtree75]

I've heard good stuff about Golden Finish as well

I've been using Torrent and loving it http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/torr.html

[blurrr]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cl...denfinish.html

20 servings per container and only 25g carbs - which means you need two servings = only 10 servings per tub? That's why it was never a huge hit for CL.

[Money Shot]

take PrimaForce Carb Slam. its wazy maize and its 30g per serving, so double scoop it and it lasts like 2 months. excellent value for a great product

[JayLS1-327]

The protocol I recommend currently is strikingly similar to the original, with a few VERY insignificant tweaks. Note that TBW = target bodyweight:

60-90 minutes preworkout, have a solid, balanced meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
Adding fat at this point is fine, use your discretion as long as it fits into your macro goals. Note that this meal is skipped if you train 1st thing in the morning.

[OR]

30-0 minutes preworkout - (and/or sipped throughout the workout), have a liquid or easily digested meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
If you were going to train for close to or more than 2 hours continuously, it would definitely benefit you to have this extra preworkout meal either immediately prior to, or sipped during training. Keep the fats here incidental, not added.

Sooner the better postworkout - within 30 minutes, but optimally ASAP, have either a liquid or solid meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.5g/lb TBW
Fats here should be kept minimal to moderate.

Post-postworkout is simply your next sheduled meal, whether it's 1, 2, or 3 hrs later simply doesn't matter - especially if your immediate postworkout meal (which may be split up into 2 halves) was designed as above.

NOTE: The small differences are mainly geared toward simplifying the guidelines. The rest of the recommendations about food types are pretty much the same. Also note that I no longer give a damn about GI, it doesn't really make a difference one way or another. If you want high GI carbs pre and/or during training, go for it. As time has passed, GI has proven itself to be a worthless, irrelevant index. Insulinogenesis is a separate issue, and striving to keep insulin up during & postworkout is a great idea. This is accomplished by both food type & food amount, the latter being more important. There's obviously a lot more to this, but that's the important basics. The rest is fringe.

Here are Alan's thoughts on WMS.

There has been no difference in gastrointestinal tolerance between WMS & good ole glucose polymers or regular sucrose. Don't waste your money on the marketing talk, WMS is a ripoff, not only that, but its glucose/insulin curve is more dramatic than the other sources, andf that's not necessarily optimal for preW purposes (or post for most cases). Stick w/whey, it has all the EAAs - including BCAA. It also has other nutritive factors missing in isolated AA supps.

[dan c]

Best deal out there...

Now Foods, Carbo Gain Maltodextrin Carb Powder

You can get 12 pounds of it for $20.

[dbc5]

Best deal out there...

Now Foods, Carbo Gain Maltodextrin Carb Powder

You can get 12 pounds of it for $20.

I actually use this on occasion when I dont have a tub of Core PWO. Its a very cost effective, convenient option. Really, i feel like people worry way to much about post workout carb sources. I have experimented with WMS, ground oats, dextrose, malto and noticed no difference in recovery, strength, or body composition. Use what is convenient and cost effective for your personal situation.

[nni]

cytomax

[RxAJ]

"No matter what your schedule, I do not recommend consuming dextrose,
maltodextrin, or other high glycemic carbs post workout. Skeletal muscle has the ability to uptake glucose post-workout without ?spiking? your insulin levels. Weight training increases GLUT-4 translocation in skeletal muscle, allowing the muscle to uptake glucose more efficiently. Studies do show that increasing insulin levels post workout does enhance protein synthesis, but I do not feel one needs to jack insulin levels through the roof with dextrose. I do feel that it can be beneficial to take some high-glycemic carbs pre-workout. Studies have shown that protein synthesis is elevated the greater when high glycemic carbs combined with free-form essential amino acids (EAA) are consumed pre-workout."

Taken from a book published by Scivation

[tsaiwins]

hmm.. so many mixed answers ;-P

[Neopragmatist]

I just mix a couple of tablespoons of dextrose (corn sugar) and mix it in with my post-workout whey protein shake. Probably the cheapest way.

[timmyclax22]

The actual best post workout carb source right now is the Genr8 Vitargo. It is the only vitargo supplement currently on the market.

[niCe99]

take PrimaForce Carb Slam. its wazy maize and its 30g per serving, so double scoop it and it lasts like 2 months. excellent value for a great product

x2

take mine with whey and creatine postworkout

[blurrr]

The actual best post workout carb source right now is the Genr8 Vitargo. It is the only vitargo supplement currently on the market.

Genr8 carbs molecular weight (barley starch): max 700,000

WMS Molecular weight: max 10,000,000

[timmyclax22]

Genr8 carbs molecular weight (barley starch): max 700,000

WMS Molecular weight: max 10,000,000

Where you find the 700,000 out? And I still feel vitargo>wms

[Money Shot]

x2

take mine with whey and creatine postworkout

yep exactly my post workout shake

[blurrr]

Where you find the 700,000 out? And I still feel vitargo>wms

http://www.completehealth.com.au/Pro...flavoured.aspx

[jeremyleinen]

I haven't noticed the feeling of muscle fullness after using the WMS, but I haven't noticed that my stomach feels a lot better as opposed to using malto. I can take my shake, and I'm ready to eat 40 minutes later, so thats good.

[islandwarrior]

Genr8 carbs molecular weight (barley starch): max 700,000

WMS Molecular weight: max 10,000,000

i hope your point is not that because waxy maize starch has max 10,000,000
that it is better than vitargo!!!

[Bo DeLone]

I have used dextrose and WMS.

Dextrose gave me too much bloating and I don't think the sugar is needed.

I use Glycomaize now as my main carb source during and after workouts and that seems to work very well for me.

[7Happy7]

"No matter what your schedule, I do not recommend consuming dextrose,
maltodextrin, or other high glycemic carbs post workout. Skeletal muscle has the ability to uptake glucose post-workout without ?spiking? your insulin levels. Weight training increases GLUT-4 translocation in skeletal muscle, allowing the muscle to uptake glucose more efficiently. Studies do show that increasing insulin levels post workout does enhance protein synthesis, but I do not feel one needs to jack insulin levels through the roof with dextrose. I do feel that it can be beneficial to take some high-glycemic carbs pre-workout. Studies have shown that protein synthesis is elevated the greater when high glycemic carbs combined with free-form essential amino acids (EAA) are consumed pre-workout."

Taken from a book published by Scivation

thats from an article about endomorphs

[islandwarrior]

I have used dextrose and WMS.

Dextrose gave me too much bloating and I don't think the sugar is needed.

I use Glycomaize now as my main carb source during and after workouts and that seems to work very well for me.

thats because dextros and malto stay in your gut longer and acualy pull water like a vacume into your gut.. this is why u get bloated.

as for the wms how long have u been using it and what else are u using?
cuz i can tell u that there is a study on wms that shows it is like eating white bread ... lol and thats less affective then dex and malto..

u can send an email to GENR8@genr8speed.com and ask them for a sample...
im confident u will see that there is no comparison.

i would send u a a sample myself but im in hawaii.
take care and good luck on your journy to fitness

[206AK]

Torrent definitely.


Ratios for post w/o carbs:

Carbs: 5 grams/ 10 pounds of bodyweight
Protein: 5 grams/ 20 pounds of bodyweight

Torrent is close enough. Plus the aminos and creatine are bonuses.

[DiMattia43]

Torrent definitely.


Ratios for post w/o carbs:

Carbs: 5 grams/ 10 pounds of bodyweight
Protein: 5 grams/ 20 pounds of bodyweight

Torrent is close enough. Plus the aminos and creatine are bonuses.

x2...

Great product.. Tastes amazing also.

[longsnapper50]

best out there, well personally i dont feel they are really worth you money.

best carb for post workout is, well really anything. i personally like nutritious whole food carbs from milk, oats, honey ext. and i usualy have some candy with it also.

i will say if you have time constraints or other issues you can buy some bulk malto and use that with lets say a banana.

[nni]

did anyone notice the date on this thread?

[DiMattia43]

guy at the gym, has a protein shake and eats two bagels