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11-11-2008, 04:17 AM #61
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11-11-2008, 07:35 AM #62
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11-11-2008, 11:02 AM #63
Hi Mindi dear! As usual, my worldwide group of pals and I have been watching this thread and having great email chats re: diff. ab work. Quite honestly, the newest question re: belly dancer belly rolls is I believe the first one that has us scratching heads so far. Here's my pea brain thoughts... the exercise seems to hit the ab groups of the diaphragm, pelvic, and oblique groups (to use generic terms) but I am not sure what the total ratio of effort to effect result would be re:core/ab conditioning/strength. I'd really love a belly dancer or trainer who uses this exercise to weigh in on this.
At the very least, it appears to me that it would be a good exercise in helping to master muscle control, which is helpful for flexing, posing, whatever in helping to learn how to isolate certain groups."None are so old as those who have outlived enthusiasm." - Henry David Thoreau
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11-11-2008, 11:16 AM #64
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Hey VL
Yeah this latest question had me scratching my head also, I've never been able to do a belly roll lol but it is an interesting question.
Loving your thoughts about it though.
I'm sure it would teach you how to master a lot of muscle control. I also think it would involve using all your ab muscles.Perfection in mind, perfect body!
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11-11-2008, 12:24 PM #65
Looks like you're right on target. I found a website regarding the belly roll:
http://www.shira.net/dear3-rolls.htm
Interesting read... though seeing a video of the belly roll as part of an exercise routine looks a lot more convoluted than the kind I do. I don't have to move my back at all to do it. In fact, I can roll my abs in a reclined position. So it might be some weird genetics put in (like being able to put your tongue into a 'u' shape), or perhaps to some it's a natural thing and others learn variations along the way? I too would love to see a belly dancing expert weigh in on this, as I'm just as curious as a bag-cat.
I think I'll do some sets, just to try it out, and I'll get back to you on how sore I am the next day. I overdid it yesterday, so I'm taking today off from weights. Going to do my bellydance dvd tonight.
xx
Thanks, girls! Owe ya reps!Back with my nose to the grindstone. Trying only fails when you stop. :)
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11-11-2008, 12:51 PM #66
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11-11-2008, 03:41 PM #67
I did hams/calves yesterday morning, and then my workout class at night (which included step-squats, tricep squats(?), and leg lifts, amongst other body exercises and jogging in-between). I'm just going to have to move leg day to another day. I was near collapse by the end of the workout last night, and I've been pretty dang sore all day (enough to not go to the gym. ).
Home alone, too. Found out that a family friend is in the hospital. Parents are there now. I promised to make golabki (stuffed cabbage), so I'm waiting for it to finish. It'll probably be eaten tomorrow instead, considering the emergency tonight. I hope he's okay. They said he's awake, but he had collapsed and they're pretty sure it was a stroke.Back with my nose to the grindstone. Trying only fails when you stop. :)
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11-12-2008, 12:26 AM #68
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Good sounds like you are really pushing yourself.
I would try and do legs on a different day though.
So you mean tricep dips?
Home alone, too. Found out that a family friend is in the hospital. Parents are there now. I promised to make golabki (stuffed cabbage), so I'm waiting for it to finish. It'll probably be eaten tomorrow instead, considering the emergency tonight. I hope he's okay. They said he's awake, but he had collapsed and they're pretty sure it was a stroke.Perfection in mind, perfect body!
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11-13-2008, 11:07 AM #69
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11-13-2008, 04:13 PM #70
Woo, cool. It's a sticky now!
I think I'm going to move to 4-day splits, though. Haven't quite gotten in the fifth day, each week that I've tried to train. There always seems to be one of the days where my body just tells me simply 'No.' Plus, now, I'm doing Sumo on Saturday, so I can't use Saturday as my backup day when that 'No' day happens. (The church gym stays open to 12 pm on Saturdays, and is closed on Sunday. Sumo practice starts at 10 am, and is on the other side of Atlanta. :/ )
So I combined a couple of split day routines, since I need tomorrow 'off' to prep for Saturday (going to do cardio tomorrow, instead). Included some ab work with crunches and added in the belly rolls.
I did 1 set of down movement rolls, 20 reps, then 1 set of upward rolls, 20 reps, then 1 set of up-down rolls, 20 reps. I really could feel the burn, and the hardest movement was focusing on upward rolls (starting from the lower abs) and having to go back to starting position for each new rep.
I'm not sure if I should try doing up-down each set, or do like I did today. I do think I'll add in another set, next time. Felt good to feel the burn there. Much more than even the weighted crunches (which did burn, too, just not as fully).
If I could describe what I do, it'd be simply put: I suck in my gut and push down. That's the easiest part of the movement. It's harder to describe how to roll up your belly... but it's prettymuch the opposite movement (and difficult to 'suck in' that part of your belly. It's an odd feeling.)
Re: tricep dip vs. tricep squat... No, it's not the dip.. I don't know why they called it a tricep squat. (Googled and didn't see anything matching...) It wasn't weighted... seemed like a normal squat to me, except you swing your arms in to clasp your hands to your chest, when you squat. Heck. I'd call that a SOLDIER squat... (remember Final Fantasy 7? LOL /geek)
I'll let you all know how sore I am in my middle tomorrow.
xxLast edited by Komadori; 11-13-2008 at 04:19 PM. Reason: Forgot to answer about the tricep squat. *^_^*
Back with my nose to the grindstone. Trying only fails when you stop. :)
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11-14-2008, 07:39 AM #71
Ok, the verdict? Not bad.
I don't have the DOMS in my abdoms. But they are sore if I try using them (i.e. roll them again) so I think it's a fair exercise. I'll experiment with them some more, change up how I do the routine to see what gets the best burn feeling, and let you know. ^^;Back with my nose to the grindstone. Trying only fails when you stop. :)
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11-14-2008, 10:14 AM #72
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Hey Komadori
Awesome glad you had fun but we need to work on the DOMS
just kidding
you don't need DOMS to indicate it worked, although it's a good indication of working hard but I would doubt that something like belly dancing would do that.
I might be wrong though.
we need to get a belly dancer in here.Perfection in mind, perfect body!
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11-28-2008, 08:23 AM #73
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11-29-2008, 01:00 PM #74
This is a really interesting thread, good set of movements and stuff. One thing, in regards to decline benches and stuff, while changing the angle generally makes it harder, it's probably good to specify for which part of the RoM. The more you elevate your lower body for the crunch/situp, the harder it makes it at the top. At the bottom though, I'm not sure but it might make it easier? When you're lying flat prone on a level floor, you're completely perpendicular to gravity so that should be the hardest. Basically, whenever you're parallel to the ground, that's the hardest part in the RoM. So hanging upside down, it would be hardest when you make an L, and with a flat situp, the hardest part is right at the bottom when you lift off the ground.
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12-09-2008, 10:43 AM #75
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Just thought of another exercise for your abs and was wondering if anyone has tried them?
Windshield wipers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CBJRg_67XcPerfection in mind, perfect body!
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01-09-2009, 07:05 AM #76
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01-10-2009, 12:53 AM #78
Awesome!!
Thank you sooooo much for posting that!! I wanted some ab ideas to hit all areas without aggravating my back injury and there are some great choices there!!!
One thing though..... All the gyms I go to in Australia (I travel a fair bit, so I have been to quiet a few!) seem to have removed the decline bench.... I asked around a few gyms and the common answer for it seems to be that there were a ton of people were using it for decline bench, without a spot, and dropping the barbells on their faces... so OH&S laws strike again.... and stupidity.
So, no decline bench sit ups (soooo not happy as I love using it for roman twists!! Even though I can't do twisting movements for a while anyway.)
Has that happened anywhere else??? Or does anyone have other explanations?
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01-12-2009, 03:08 PM #79
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01-23-2009, 12:53 PM #81
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03-13-2009, 02:50 PM #83
i've been looking for some tips on how to work my abs a little harder.
Great post. Thanks.
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