I thought belts were for wimps and were unnecesarry til i was doing a 495lb set of shrugs and i bent back to far and heard some disturbing pops and cracks in my back followed by a sharp pain. I thought i had destroyed my back but the pain subsided 2 days later and all was normal, ever since, i wear a belt for any deads, squats or standing presses or rows to protect my spine. I generally wont use the belt for squats under 275 or deadlifts under 315, but it definately gives me the confidense to go heavy and i worry much less about my spine.
I didnt read this thread when i bought my belt and i just ordered the one they had at the gym as i found it to be very practical.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gl/harbelt.html
If find the velcro to be very convenient and the height gives good support. You just have to watch any make sure you arent filling the velcro with lint otherwise it will slip after a while.
PS, great post, cudos to OP.
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Thread: The straight dope on BELTS...
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11-10-2008, 07:50 PM #91
Last edited by Vancouver240; 11-10-2008 at 07:53 PM.
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11-12-2008, 09:07 PM #92
I'm certainly not an advocate for wearing 'belts' during every single exercise, at weights which are nowhere near maximal.
However, near-maximal, to maximal lifts (such as 1RM testing) definitely require belts. Specifically in the squat, which looks at maximal leg strength.
Though, in current literature, there's still debate as to whether weight belts really set out to achieve what common belief assumes they achieve. Some recent publications have noted that intra-abdominal pressure is not supreme using weight belts; where the placebo effect is more accurate (psychological improvement).
All interesting debate, though.
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11-13-2008, 05:30 AM #93
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11-13-2008, 08:38 AM #95
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You mean like the measurements one might find in Science and Practice of Strength Training, by Zatsiorsky?
I see you are into exercise science... I am also a kines major and while there is definitely much to be said for scientific research I still care more about what happens under the bar than in the lab.http://youtube.com/user/Kiknskreem
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11-13-2008, 07:01 PM #96
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11-13-2008, 08:19 PM #97
It's one thing to place more importance on what happens under the bar, and another to completely neglect what happens in labs.
Regardless of whether the "measurements" you suggested support weight belts - the entire purpose of my post was to merely point out that others have determined other outcomes (or non-outcomes) from the use of weight belts through measuring its effectiveness.
I don't have a position on it either way. I still support weight belts use. So, I don't see a reason to create any argument here. The simple fact of the matter is, regardless of whether weight belts cause a placebo effect, or whether they actually provide a physiological advantage - both scenarios will help a lifter, lift more. So I support a weight belt in near maximal (or maximal) lifts.
It doesn't hurt to highlight the fact that it's still a contentious issue - which is all I was doing.
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11-15-2008, 05:16 PM #98
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11-15-2008, 06:25 PM #99Me Squatting 405X5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tirPD1kKkuQ
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11-26-2008, 07:41 AM #100
belts
Great thread. Having used and not used belts for years, here's my take on it.
I used to be one of those guys that wore a belt for everything. Not needed, at all.
I have an Inzer belt (I don't remember which one) now. I use it ONLY on heavy squats or high pin pulls. I don't even wear it when doing regular deads.
My lower back was weak and that was my excuse for wearing a belt. After doing deads, my lower back is no longer weak and I don't "need" the belt.
As for the female poster about getting a 10mm belt - they are all uncomfortable, you just kind of have to get used to it. I'd start with the 10mm and see how it goes. The thicker ones obviously would be less flexible and more unforgiving.Squat 'til you puke.
47 years old
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665# squat
700# deadlift
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11-30-2008, 08:15 AM #101
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A belt, when used correctly and only at the right times can help your gains at ANY level of strength. IMO its foolish to never use a belt until u reach a certain strength level in a particular lift.
Using a belt sparingly and only when practical will help you reach that 500 dead and 400 squat faster than if you never used a belt, all without sacrificing core strength275lb atg front squat / 235lb paused bench (in comp) / 445lb Conventional Deadlift using mixed grip/chalk/belt (in comp) / Deadlift-425x3 using a hook grip + chalk / BP low-bar back squat 335x2 & 315x4 & 350x1 (in comp)
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12-07-2008, 01:44 PM #102
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the knowledge ive always followed on belts is to use them when the weight is heavy. this is a good post though and it really gave me some good insight to the use of belts, rep'd!
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12-13-2008, 07:20 AM #103
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I wore a belt for the first time yesterday for Shrugs and barbell curls and I noticed a difference. I felt a lot more support.
Pullups Max reps: 40 reps
Max weighted pullup:
206.2 lbs x 1 rep
165 lbs x 6 reps
135 lbs x 8 reps
100 lbs x 14 reps
Bench: 365 lbs
Squat: 405 lbs
Deadlift: 505 lbs
Press:225 lbs
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12-13-2008, 02:13 PM #104
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It was leg day I wore it loose but kept it tight on all my exercises felt much better.
my torso wouldn't twist. I can't believe I have never used one before.Pullups Max reps: 40 reps
Max weighted pullup:
206.2 lbs x 1 rep
165 lbs x 6 reps
135 lbs x 8 reps
100 lbs x 14 reps
Bench: 365 lbs
Squat: 405 lbs
Deadlift: 505 lbs
Press:225 lbs
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12-25-2008, 02:11 AM #105
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well the only real downside to a belt is that it pointless using it if you have not first built up your core, if you use it before then and lift a bit too heavy you stand the chance of causing long term damage to yourself.
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12-27-2008, 10:43 AM #106
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12-29-2008, 07:08 AM #107
You've said something that strikes me as ironic.
"A strong core is also very important in belt use"
You say this after you mention a "difference on lower back pain the next day".
Can you not see that you're experiencing lower back pain due to a weakness in your lower back (and core), which you're attempting to facilitate / over compensate for by using the belt in the first instance, hence the "reduction" in pain?
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12-29-2008, 07:10 AM #108
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12-29-2008, 07:34 AM #109
I should have mentioned that I do have a weakness in my lower back. A bulging disc that was caused by improper form during squats in 1989. I keep up with core work. And back pain is significantly less when I am in a weight training program. When I get out of lifting, (lazy) back increases dramaticaly.
Also use a belt during romanian deads and bent over bb rows, as recommended by personal trainers.
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12-29-2008, 07:42 AM #110
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12-30-2008, 09:55 AM #112
Surgical procedures on the spine dont sound inviting since I hear too many horror stories of back surgury. I injured my back while in the service, and military doctors are, well, military doctors. I kept quiet about my injury.
No, I have not looked into non-surgical means. I get the best relief by doing weight training and core strengthening.
I do recognize the fact that someday I will be too old to lift and will likely have to look into some sort of corrective procedure.
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