Recently, I've been reading a lot on vitamins (Dinoiii's Material) and healthy supplementation and it appears to me that a b-complex would be useful dosing it through out the day with your 3 major meals. There are a lot of these b-complexes available and after looking at each one the only "good" one I found was the Life Extension Complete B-Complex - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/le...ebcomplex.html
Now my only negative remark regarding this one is the form of b-12 it contains, as apparently Cyan most be converted to a form usable by the body. Are there better b-complexes?
Also who uses them? What other vitamins and multis do you take. Im looking for a new vitamin regimen and have come across Dr. Housers ACES and b-complex recommendations
(Found Here = http://blog.bodybuilding.com/dinoiii...in-mvi-debate/ )
I understand some of you take the cheap $10 multis, but post up the ingredient profile!
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06-29-2008, 01:11 PM #1
Vitamin B-Complex...(and Daily Vitamins)
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Pyridoxal 5'-phosphate is the active coenzyme form. More or less analagous to methylcobalamin and 5-deoxyadenosyl cobalamin.
I haven't seen anything regarding P5P being associated with toxicity.
I have only seen toxicity information related to the pyridoxine form and nothing below the intake of 200 mg pyridoxine daily, and a few cases between 200-500 mg. One hypothesis I've seen is that pyridoxine toxicity is caused by it exceeding the liver's ability to phosphorylate pyridoxine to P5P.Last edited by in10city; 06-29-2008 at 02:50 PM.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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06-29-2008, 02:42 PM #13
It does make more sense to me to split up the B-complex with meals.
active B-12 in the body is either in adenosyl cobalamin form (to convert methylmalonic acid to succinyl COA) or methyl cobalamin to convert homocysteine back to methionine.
However, cyano cobalamin or hydroxy cobalamin should have no problem converting to either active form. This will just happen naturally as the body sees fit.
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06-29-2008, 03:49 PM #16
cant get it on bb.com but look into some of AOR's products
I'm ordering the advanced b-complex and total E from the line to meet my B & E. I follow Dr. Houser's recommendations as well and as hes stated the only B-vit overdose potential lies in niacin but it takes upwards of 2gs daily to reach toxic levels.
he also recommends a multi-mineral
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Yea but isnt niacin broken up into multiple parts, nicomide and niacinamide? I took supplemental nicomide for acne and along with my NOW Adam. Wouldnt you have to OD on one or the other or would it be ODing on the two combined?
Please someone correct me if im wrong. Learning is the best thing for me right now.
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Yeah for the best in B's look no further than once again AOR.
http://www.aor.ca/int/products/advanced_b.php
http://www.aor.ca/int/related_research/advanced_b.php
I have read that B6 is possibly the one to most be careful with... avoiding doses much greater than 100-200mg long term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyridoxal_5%27-phosphate
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06-29-2008, 05:18 PM #25
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http://www.metadocs.com/pdf/pp_B6_B12.pdf
Methylcobalamin, while an effective oral form of B12, has not demonstrated superiority over cyanocobalamin and does not nearly have a similar breadth of research. Cyanocobalamin and methylcobalamin are generally considered clinically equivalent.
Methylcobalamin supporters state its superiority as it is the primary circulatory form and acts as a methyl donor. Adenosylcobalamin, however, accounts for 70% of cobalamin stored in the liver, the major storage site for B12, while methylcobalamin accounts for only 1% to 3%. It is also argued that cyanocobalamin is poorly converted into its active forms and releases cyanide into circulation, neither of these statements is supported by research.It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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06-29-2008, 05:32 PM #26
I'd encourage further exploration of the methylcobalamin research personally.
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