CONTEST/PHOTOSHOOT day

UBkid · 06-23-2008, 12:54 PM

OK guys, I need your help. I need suggestions on how one can minimize water retention and thus maximize definition, you know what steps should be taken, how many days before should I start doing blank, and blank, etc. Any methods used for days prior to a contest would be much appreciated and very applicable in my situation here.

Also, I need some input from the taraxatone experts out there. Any suggestions or little tips aside from the dosage instructions on the bottle. Or perhaps any other similar supplements that are better/more effective.

As of now my plan is to keep sodium as low as possible (while keeping at a healthy level), drinking the same amount of water as usual (2gallons), and using taraxatone or possibly which ever other supplements are suggested.

All input is welcome!!!

Fjock · 06-23-2008, 12:58 PM

errr boy... here it comes. Im going to hurry and throw in the fact Taraxatone is an extremely weak diuretic and not worth using IMO. But be prepared to find how why you will be better off just getting lean off...

guys...

scoobysnacks · 06-23-2008, 02:57 PM

drying out is REALLY a product of carb loading. 1 gram carbs holds 2.7 grams of water. What that means is if you are loading carbs and then restrict water you will pull the water from under the skins since your body wont take water from organs and blood. So it robs the sub Q. Salt also should be tapered, but if you were loading up to that point, all you have to do is cut back. If you cut salt out sure you can get dry but you WILL be flat as a pancake, TRUST me on that. Here is a simple plan.

Mon-Weds:
two gallons of water
carb deplete, probably on around 100 grams of carbs or a little less. I deplete on more but I do more cardio than most as I prefer to eat during prep
keep salt the same you should have been loading it on each meal to this point, keep doing the same.
Train and do cardio, little rest training to deplete.

Tues: same

Weds: Same

Thurs: Carb load. I like to take someones lean mass and do 2.42 x lbm as I was taught to get carb saturation points...take these carbs with protein over 10 meals so ensure no spillage, will probably be around 200-400 carbs depending on your lbm.
1 gallon of water all day long
stop adding salt but keep eggs in the morning and then the salt from foods.
Use dry carbs to load, sweet potato, rice cakes and then white potato alternate back and forth, protein can come down, proabbly 1.3 x lbm will suffice, no added fats except what is in foods.

Fri:
drop the eggs and no longer salting anything as that was dropped thurs, do 2.42 x lbm plus 50 for carbs that day over 10 meals (no more than 50 carbs per meal, if that requires 12 meals then do that). use sweet potato, rice cakes and white potato alternate back and forth. lean ground turkey and top round for protein
1.3 again on protein
3/4 gallon of water up to 5 pm, after 5pm you just sip but you keep eating, have 5 or more meals after the water shutoff this will be where you will start to pull sub Q into the cell

I use taraxatone on both days just as prescribed.

Sat: keep eating carbs about every 1.5 hrs same protocol as Thursday, sweet potato then white potato with a bit of top round or turkey. Have sips of water all morning, dont deprive, but dont go nuts on it.

1/2 before stage get some sodium back in you. I like to add 1000mg from sea salt and wash it down with 8 oz gatorade. nibble on snickers for some fats, sugar and more salt, start pump up.

Should be ready for battle.

This is an abridged and safter version of what i do, but this works well for competitors too.

Good Luck

bryce126 · 06-23-2008, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobysnacks

drying out is REALLY a product of carb loading. 1 gram carbs holds 2.7 grams of water. What that means is if you are loading carbs and then restrict water you will pull the water from under the skins since your body wont take water from organs and blood. So it robs the sub Q. Salt also should be tapered, but if you were loading up to that point, all you have to do is cut back. If you cut salt out sure you can get dry but you WILL be flat as a pancake, TRUST me on that. Here is a simple plan.

Mon-Weds:
two gallons of water
carb deplete, probably on around 100 grams of carbs or a little less. I deplete on more but I do more cardio than most as I prefer to eat during prep
keep salt the same you should have been loading it on each meal to this point, keep doing the same.
Train and do cardio, little rest training to deplete.

Tues: same

Weds: Same

Thurs: Carb load. I like to take someones lean mass and do 2.42 x lbm as I was taught to get carb saturation points...take these carbs with protein over 10 meals so ensure no spillage, will probably be around 200-400 carbs depending on your lbm.
1 gallon of water all day long
stop adding salt but keep eggs in the morning and then the salt from foods.
Use dry carbs to load, sweet potato, rice cakes and then white potato alternate back and forth, protein can come down, proabbly 1.3 x lbm will suffice, no added fats except what is in foods.

Fri:
drop the eggs and no longer salting anything as that was dropped thurs, do 2.42 x lbm plus 50 for carbs that day over 10 meals (no more than 50 carbs per meal, if that requires 12 meals then do that). use sweet potato, rice cakes and white potato alternate back and forth. lean ground turkey and top round for protein
1.3 again on protein
3/4 gallon of water up to 5 pm, after 5pm you just sip but you keep eating, have 5 or more meals after the water shutoff this will be where you will start to pull sub Q into the cell

I use taraxatone on both days just as prescribed.

Sat: keep eating carbs about every 1.5 hrs same protocol as Thursday, sweet potato then white potato with a bit of top round or turkey. Have sips of water all morning, dont deprive, but dont go nuts on it.

1/2 before stage get some sodium back in you. I like to add 1000mg from sea salt and wash it down with 8 oz gatorade. nibble on snickers for some fats, sugar and more salt, start pump up.

Should be ready for battle.

This is an abridged and safter version of what i do, but this works well for competitors too.

Good Luck

great post scooby, im sure its more than he needed, but great information nonetheless

repped

JohnJoe · 06-24-2008, 02:12 PM

This is great info!!! I have my first show this weekend and this is great.

I actually thought that I should re-load on carbs no earlier than 18 hrs before show - you have it as slightly less than 48hrs. Also I notice you have used dry carbs for the 48 hrs whereas I was planning to go high starch (choc and high sugers etc)

I'd be interested as to what you think of my original plan cos I'm temped to adopt yours instead!

scoobysnacks · 06-25-2008, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnJoe

This is great info!!! I have my first show this weekend and this is great.

I actually thought that I should re-load on carbs no earlier than 18 hrs before show - you have it as slightly less than 48hrs. Also I notice you have used dry carbs for the 48 hrs whereas I was planning to go high starch (choc and high sugers etc)

I'd be interested as to what you think of my original plan cos I'm temped to adopt yours instead!

I WOULD NEVER LOAD ON CHOCOLATE AND SUGARS, horrible idea. You can use those 30 mins prior to stage to bring out vascularity thats it. You want quality sources.....also, it takes 72-48 hrs to reload glycogen, and this is an abrigded version, I usually start Weds and load every hr on the hr and continue into thurs, then taper on Friday, but this plan is a lot safer and works well.

MistaO · 08-01-2008, 08:07 PM

By LBM do you mean where I am at right now, 155lbs, 1 week out?

Should I be taking in near 2 gallons of water like you suggested or at my weight a little less?

And also, while carb loading what should my protein intake look like? The same as it has been?

Thanks a lot,

MistaO

gator20jcl · 08-01-2008, 08:15 PM

take your bf% x what you weigh to get your lbm so if you weight 160 at 4% then thats 153.6. Protein should be at 1.3 x your lbm, make sure to account for the protein in the carbs. And yes drink 2 gallons even at your weight.

MistaO · 08-01-2008, 08:18 PM

Thanks

Also, as scooby suggested 1000mg sea salt + snickers, would pizza be a better choice, at a limited amount?

gator20jcl · 08-01-2008, 08:25 PM

no i think your looking for the fats and sugar in the snickers for vascularity. Scooby knows what hes doing. He's actually doin my diet for my show. Check out pictures of the NPC Northern Kentucky. He won the batams and was shredded and full and dry as hell from his carb load method.

MistaO · 08-01-2008, 08:39 PM

cool, will follow his plan exactly then. thanks