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    Favorite FatBurner?

    I was wondering what u peoples favortite fatburner is and why...

    So far ive tried, ECA Stack, T3 and Clenbuterol...

    So far i had the best experients with Clen no doubts...
    Super clen especially.. 2 pills each day (400 mcg)

    I did a cycle for 2 weeks and 2 off and then 2 weeks again.. overall i lost 5 kilograms.. and i didnt have to eat any less then when i started on clen...

    T3 also worked well.. but theres greater risk for sides and therefor not prefered...
    ECA.. well.. i think its crap lol...
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    19 and using clen&t3...


    People really want to find the shortcut these days.
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    Originally Posted by Nutir View Post
    19 and using clen&t3...


    People really want to find the shortcut these days.
    well i also started on roids not long ago.. but thats another story lol... so im looking forward to see how i look like in 9 weeks
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    Clen I think is the best too, but I stay away from it now. havent used it in a while cuz I HATE the way I feel on it and I dont like the findings of a lot of the studies that have been conducted. Check it out...

    I like ECA stack now.
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    I didnt see that you were 19 bro. Roids, clen? At 19, if you workout and stay active you shouldnt ever need to use clen. My metabolism was unreal back then.

    To each their own, I guess.
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    Originally Posted by juice1348 View Post
    Clen I think is the best too, but I stay away from it now. havent used it in a while cuz I HATE the way I feel on it and I dont like the findings of a lot of the studies that have been conducted. Check it out...

    I like ECA stack now.
    well.. ive been on Clen a few times now.. and the only side i had so far are the shaking hands 24/7... and yeah it is very anoying omg
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    Never tried anything else beside the EC stack
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    I have tried almost all the fat burners out there and I have yet to find one that works for me (including the ECA stack). I have found however that the harder I train and the cleaner I eat the more weight that I drop and the more defined I get.
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    Originally Posted by TGates13 View Post
    I have tried almost all the fat burners out there and I have yet to find one that works for me (including the ECA stack). I have found however that the harder I train and the cleaner I eat the more weight that I drop and the more defined I get.
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    Originally Posted by TGates13 View Post
    I have tried almost all the fat burners out there and I have yet to find one that works for me (including the ECA stack). I have found however that the harder I train and the cleaner I eat the more weight that I drop and the more defined I get.
    Its that simple? No way! haha
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    have fun with the heart attack and tiny dick you get from roids
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    Originally Posted by cbrickhouse View Post
    have fun with the heart attack and tiny dick you get from roids
    thx dude..
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    I hope ure clever enough to figure out nothing will happen with my dick from this cycle.
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    nothing you can say will make me think that anything good can come from doing roids.
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    Originally Posted by cbrickhouse View Post
    nothing you can say will make me think that anything good can come from doing roids.
    well i just showed u i didnt choose any roids which build up to much female hormons in the body... so i dont have to worry for that kind of side effects.. but what do u know about that right??...

    I dont care what u think about roids.. I choose my path.. and dont come with stupid coments when u dont know what im on.
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    i could really give a **** what you do. take whatever you want, you're the one that has to deal with the consequences
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    Nothing happens to the dick on roids, it's the balls who shrink.

    Anyway, it's your body, you deal with the consequences, but I still can't understand why you are too damn dedicated to take your body to its natural limit before thinking about roids.
    Why don't you do a PH cycle first ? Even those are not advised for someone under 21..
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    Originally Posted by raisethescore View Post
    x2

    You get reps for that one!!!
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    Originally Posted by Nutir View Post
    Nothing happens to the dick on roids, it's the balls who shrink.

    Anyway, it's your body, you deal with the consequences, but I still can't understand why you are too damn dedicated to take your body to its natural limit before thinking about roids.
    Why don't you do a PH cycle first ? Even those are not advised for someone under 21..

    when i am 21 i will maybe consider more androgenic steroids... for now primo and anavar are fine...
    and yes it can be taken by someone under 21 lol...
    since its the female hormon that makes ur bones stop growing.

    but yeah.. it dosnt make it any better to take roids.. I just took a evil path and thats the way of my life..
    Ive been ON for 9 days now.. the primo will first start to kick in after 3 weeks.. so 11 days to go before it starts to work hehe xD...
    but i will be on for 10 weeks in all.. i will update my progress ...

    i know i cant justify roids in any way.. but please respect i take them now.. since i wont stop anyway.

    Heres a picture from my last inject with Diamond Primo.. just to scare off the kids xD
    And hell yeah small boys and girls.. it HURT like ****!
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    Why not take a placebo and see if you have the same results?
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    Originally Posted by Jeraado View Post
    when i am 21 i will maybe consider more androgenic steroids... for now primo and anavar are fine...
    and yes it can be taken by someone under 21 lol...
    since its the female hormon that makes ur bones stop growing.

    but yeah.. it dosnt make it any better to take roids.. I just took a evil path and thats the way of my life..
    Ive been ON for 9 days now.. the primo will first start to kick in after 3 weeks.. so 11 days to go before it starts to work hehe xD...
    but i will be on for 10 weeks in all.. i will update my progress ...

    i know i cant justify roids in any way.. but please respect i take them now.. since i wont stop anyway.
    Come on man, don't you realize that you are seriously messing with your life here. You are starting steroids when you are at the peak of natural testosterone making. What you don't realize is that because you are starting so early in life you are messing up your natural T making abilities. By the time that you are 30 I guarantee that you will be reliant on T and your health would have been diminished. Look at all the WWE wrestlers who have died from Steroid use, look at Lyle Alzado (Google him if you don't know who he is). They all started early like you did. There bodies STOPPED NATURALLY MAKING testosterone and they had to continue to inject themselves and suffer the health consequences. There are so many NATURAL ways of boosting your T levels. Google it, check out these forums. Listen, I am not telling you what to do with your life, I don't even know you, but, I am trying to tell you what your getting yourself into. At just few days in you can stop and have no adverse effects. Just really think about it every time you inject yourself and the pain that you go through and realize, you will have to do this for the rests of your life.
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    i know i cant justify roids in any way.. but please respect i take them now.. since i wont stop anyway.
    I know you certainly don't care about my opinion, but I have no respect for someone who takes that kind of shortcuts at 19.
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    Originally Posted by TGates13 View Post
    Come on man, don't you realize that you are seriously messing with your life here. You are starting steroids when you are at the peak of natural testosterone making. What you don't realize is that because you are starting so early in life you are messing up your natural T making abilities. By the time that you are 30 I guarantee that you will be reliant on T and your health would have been diminished. Look at all the WWE wrestlers who have died from Steroid use, look at Lyle Alzado (Google him if you don't know who he is). They all started early like you did. There bodies STOPPED NATURALLY MAKING testosterone and they had to continue to inject themselves and suffer the health consequences. There are so many NATURAL ways of boosting your T levels. Google it, check out these forums. Listen, I am not telling you what to do with your life, I don't even know you, but, I am trying to tell you what your getting yourself into. Good Luck.
    and i understand all that
    But i still choose the path of my life ...

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    Originally Posted by Jeraado View Post
    and i understand all that
    But i still choose the path of my life ...

    My dream is to get Gene doped someday.. .. I know thats a ****ed up dream to have... but lol
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    Originally Posted by TGates13 View Post
    Come on man, don't you realize that you are seriously messing with your life here. You are starting steroids when you are at the peak of natural testosterone making. What you don't realize is that because you are starting so early in life you are messing up your natural T making abilities. By the time that you are 30 I guarantee that you will be reliant on T and your health would have been diminished. Look at all the WWE wrestlers who have died from Steroid use, look at Lyle Alzado (Google him if you don't know who he is). They all started early like you did. There bodies STOPPED NATURALLY MAKING testosterone and they had to continue to inject themselves and suffer the health consequences. There are so many NATURAL ways of boosting your T levels. Google it, check out these forums. Listen, I am not telling you what to do with your life, I don't even know you, but, I am trying to tell you what your getting yourself into. At just few days in you can stop and have no adverse effects. Just really think about it every time you inject yourself and the pain that you go through and realize, you will have to do this for the rests of your life.

    Okay, easy, honestly I dont do that sh!t any more, and I TOTALLY dont agree with a 18, 19, even early 20 year old doing it, BUT its sure as hell not a fact that Alzado or any WWE wrestlers DIED from steroids. Alzado simply says his cancer was from it. Was it? Probably not, but who knows.
    Steroids are not good, but are they as bad as speculated and portrayed in the media? No way.
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    Originally Posted by juice1348 View Post
    Okay, easy, honestly I dont do that sh!t any more, and I TOTALLY dont agree with a 18, 19, even early 20 year old doing it, BUT its sure as hell not a fact that Alzado or any WWE wrestlers DIED from steroids. Alzado simply says his cancer was from it. Was it? Probably not, but who knows.
    Steroids are not good, but are they as bad as speculated and portrayed in the media? No way.
    Alzado's cancer was caused by steroids. It caused his immune system (as well as his liver) to shut down.
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    Originally Posted by TGates13 View Post
    Alzado's cancer was caused by steroids. It caused his immune system (as well as his liver) to shut down.
    BULL SH!T...and I in NO WAY condone the use of AAS, but that is a load of sh!t. Show me a SCIENTIFIC article that proves that. If you are going to argue agains AAS, PLEASE use facts and not stupid sh!t that the public and media has fed people uneducated on the facts...Here is why he shouldnt use them:

    -Negative effects on some organs
    -Messing with natural testosterone production
    -He is NOT using a testosterone based steroid which means he will have loss of libido and estrogen side effects.
    -Gynecomastia, acne and hairloss.

    There are other effects too, but CANCER is not one of them.
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    Originally Posted by juice1348 View Post
    BULL SH!T...and I in NO WAY condone the use of AAS, but that is a load of sh!t. Show me a SCIENTIFIC article that proves that. If you are going to argue agains AAS, PLEASE use facts and not stupid sh!t that the public and media has fed people uneducated on the facts...Here is why he shouldnt use them:

    -Negative effects on some organs
    -Messing with natural testosterone production
    -He is NOT using a testosterone based steroid which means he will have loss of libido and estrogen side effects.
    -Gynecomastia, acne and hairloss.

    There are other effects too, but CANCER is not one of them.
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    Professional Football Player. He played for the Denver Broncos, Cleveland Browns and Los Angeles Raiders. A true defensive standout for the Broncos, he was the first Yankton (South Dakota) College player ever drafted by the NFL and was a two-time All-Conference pick. From those humble beginnings, his combination of quickness and strength provided him with the pass-rushing skills to start with the Broncos in 1971. His 4.75 40-yard dash time, coupled with his tremendous strength (he once had 27 wins as an amateur boxer) ranked him as one of pro football's top pass rushers. His status as a premier defensive lineman was also enhanced by his versatility - he played both end and tackle in the front four with All-pro status. An American football Superbowl hero with the Los Angeles Raiders in the 1984, he owned a restaurant in West Hollywood and had embarked on a career as a movie actor when he died in 1992 after going public about his steroid use while in pro football. "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped," he admitted during his pain-racked final days. "It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety per cent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way". Lyle Alzado was 43 when he died of brain cancer brought on by excessive use of steroids.

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    Originally Posted by Jeraado View Post
    and i understand all that
    But i still choose the path of my life ...

    My dream is to get Gene doped someday.. .. I know thats a ****ed up dream to have... but lol
    you may be too caught up with all of this roid ****. but i dunno much about roids anyways... but

    One huge consequence is CANCER then all your gains WILL go away!

    I was working out naturally and only took 1 mild PH and yay now i have 1 ball.

    ...just trying to slap you in the face with reality.
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