Reply
Results 1 to 16 of 16
  1. #1
    Getting Big. shinna202's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2007
    Posts: 91
    Rep Power: 208
    shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    shinna202 is offline

    standing shoulder press Front Vs. Back ?

    i have done my reasearch and did not come up with the answer that im looking for, most of them are about sitting vs. standing. But my questions is whats the differenece between front and back? i also heard that if you to back you can rip you rotorcuff (sp), is that true? also im able to do more weigh to the back then front, is that normal?

    thanks in advance.
    "Success is 99% failure."

    "If I fail, try again, live and die by pain."
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    has a bum shoulder Jbert112's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Posts: 1,810
    Rep Power: 753
    Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500) Jbert112 is a jewel in the rough. (+500)
    Jbert112 is offline
    Originally Posted by shinna202 View Post
    i have done my reasearch and did not come up with the answer that im looking for, most of them are about sitting vs. standing. But my questions is whats the differenece between front and back? i also heard that if you to back you can rip you rotorcuff (sp), is that true? also im able to do more weigh to the back then front, is that normal?

    thanks in advance.
    behind the neck, it sort of just hits the delts a little bit better. but it puts the upper back in an awkward position and can be hard on shoulders/cuffs.

    imo, keeping it close to your face in the front is fine. behind the back is not worth it imo. your choice though.
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Registered User dow7546's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2008
    Location: Utah, United States
    Age: 35
    Posts: 92
    Rep Power: 194
    dow7546 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) dow7546 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    dow7546 is offline
    Originally Posted by Jbert112 View Post
    behind the neck, it sort of just hits the delts a little bit better. but it puts the upper back in an awkward position and can be hard on shoulders/cuffs.

    imo, keeping it close to your face in the front is fine. behind the back is not worth it imo. your choice though.
    true. front works a different part of your delts then the back. and the back does put your back in a aawkward postion but if you do sitting against a bench it doesnt put your back into a awkward postion as much as standing or sitting with no behind your back (free sitting).
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    Bodybuilding.com crunchfit's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Posts: 11,923
    Rep Power: 10792
    crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    crunchfit is offline
    Front press emphasizes anterior and medial deltoid and the back press emphesizes the prosterior deltoid and medial deltoid. It is the rotator cuff which is put in a precarious position during this exercise.

    Front is more effective. More weight can be used. More mass can be gained. There is less risk to the rotator cuff.

    To work the prosterior deltoid use reverse flies and similar exercises. The prosterior deltoid is also worked in many back exercises such as the barbell row.

    When using front press, do not let barbell pass your mouth and when doing rear press, do not let barbell pass your ears (both on the way down).
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Registered User Stretch23's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2008
    Age: 32
    Posts: 203
    Rep Power: 0
    Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000) Stretch23 is a complete loser! (-2000)
    Stretch23 is offline
    Originally Posted by crunchfit View Post
    Front press emphasizes anterior and medial deltoid and the back press emphesizes the prosterior deltoid and medial deltoid. It is the rotator cuff which is put in a precarious position during this exercise.

    Front is more effective. More weight can be used. More mass can be gained. There is less risk to the rotator cuff.

    To work the prosterior deltoid use reverse flies and similar exercises. The prosterior deltoid is also worked in many back exercises such as the barbell row.

    When using front press, do not let barbell pass your mouth and when doing rear press, do not let barbell pass your ears (both on the way down).
    Good information Repped
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Registered User kj's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2006
    Age: 36
    Posts: 1,751
    Rep Power: 1848
    kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000) kj is just really nice. (+1000)
    kj is offline
    Military Press ("front") uses an extra synergist: pecs. I think. BTN press doesn't. They pretty much hit the same heads of deltoids for me, but BTN emphasizes the medial head a bit more. I did BTN presses for a while with no RC problems. Make sure you form is dead perfect on BTN presses. And of course, if it hurts, don't do it, or check your form.
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    Team CESA LessThanLuke's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Location: Aberdare, Wales, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Posts: 6,332
    Rep Power: 22710
    LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    LessThanLuke is offline
    Originally Posted by crunchfit View Post

    When using front press, do not let barbell pass your mouth and when doing rear press, do not let barbell pass your ears (both on the way down).
    And why not?
    793 deadlift @ 231 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8k57L5fvPk
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    Bodybuilding.com crunchfit's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Posts: 11,923
    Rep Power: 10792
    crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    crunchfit is offline
    Keeping the barbell above your in line with your mouth meants the pec will not be used. And depending on the distance of the barbell from the delts when front pressing, the medial delt can be equally emphasized (compared to using the rear press).
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    Team CESA LessThanLuke's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Location: Aberdare, Wales, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Posts: 6,332
    Rep Power: 22710
    LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    LessThanLuke is offline
    Originally Posted by crunchfit View Post
    Keeping the barbell above your in line with your mouth meants the pec will not be used. And depending on the distance of the barbell from the delts when front pressing, the medial delt can be equally emphasized (compared to using the rear press).
    I prefer using a bigger ROM myself. Take the bar to below my chin.
    793 deadlift @ 231 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8k57L5fvPk
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Bodybuilding.com crunchfit's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Posts: 11,923
    Rep Power: 10792
    crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    crunchfit is offline
    Originally Posted by LessThanLuke View Post
    And why not?
    Stops pec being used for front press and reduces stress on supraspinatus (rotator cuff) for rear press.
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Bodybuilding.com crunchfit's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Posts: 11,923
    Rep Power: 10792
    crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    crunchfit is offline
    Originally Posted by LessThanLuke View Post
    I prefer using a bigger ROM myself. Take the bar to below my chin.
    Well that's your preferance but bringing the barbell past there will result in the pecs being used.
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Registered User Sportacus's Avatar
    Join Date: May 2007
    Age: 33
    Posts: 626
    Rep Power: 326
    Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50) Sportacus will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    Sportacus is offline
    Originally Posted by crunchfit View Post
    Well that's your preferance but bringing the barbell past there will result in the pecs being used.
    I would prefer the pics coming into play tbh. Aslong as my form stays perfect it means i can shift more weight and work more muscles.. therefore adding more mass, going all the way down also works my shoulders through the entire range of motion.
    Royal Marines Commando .
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Bodybuilding.com crunchfit's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Posts: 11,923
    Rep Power: 10792
    crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) crunchfit is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    crunchfit is offline
    As I said, preferance
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Team CESA LessThanLuke's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Location: Aberdare, Wales, United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Posts: 6,332
    Rep Power: 22710
    LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) LessThanLuke has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    LessThanLuke is offline
    Originally Posted by Sportacus View Post
    I would prefer the pics coming into play tbh. Aslong as my form stays perfect it means i can shift more weight and work more muscles.. therefore adding more mass, going all the way down also works my shoulders through the entire range of motion.
    Agree. Out of interest what are all your OHPs?
    793 deadlift @ 231 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8k57L5fvPk
    Reply With Quote

  15. #15
    Registered User benjaminbitter's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2007
    Location: Utah, United States
    Age: 34
    Posts: 24
    Rep Power: 0
    benjaminbitter has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    benjaminbitter is offline
    If you're going to go behind the head (not recommended) then make sure you're not doing too heavy of weight and as a rule of thumb, don't go below that little knot on the back of your head.
    THE PUMP - IT FEELS LIKE I'M CUMING!!
    Reply With Quote

  16. #16
    Getting Big. shinna202's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2007
    Posts: 91
    Rep Power: 208
    shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) shinna202 has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    shinna202 is offline
    why is it that i can do more weigh to behind then front tho?
    also what exercise should i do if i want to hit the muscles that would be hit if i was doing the shoulder press to the back?
    "Success is 99% failure."

    "If I fail, try again, live and die by pain."
    Reply With Quote

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts