An Open Letter to Arnold Schwarzenegger

[warrioe-sage]

An Open Letter to Arnold Schwarzenegger From Steve Reeves

Dear Arnold:

As you are well aware, the state of bodybuilding is in crisis. Competitors are killing themselves taking drugs that they believe they need to win shows that ultimately count for nothing in either their careers or their lives

I know that you love the sport of bodybuilding as much as I do, because you grew up in an era when being a bodybuilding champion meant something. It stirred heroic and noble images in your young mind of how a man could and should look and how vibrant and virile such a man could be. I know because these were the same images that first caused me to pick up a barbell and to seek to better not only my physique, but my life through physical culture (healthful living and bodybuilding)

Bodybuilding-real bodybuilding-is what I've just described. It can, and has, proven to work wonders in creating real men of substance, as opposed to what it's now become-a creator of men of real substance-abuse. It can and has opened doors-particularly to you and me

We both went on to enjoy successful careers in film and made substantial sums of money, directly as a result of the physical benefits that our bodybuilding training provided

And that is why I am now appealing to you to join forces with me and provide a voice that will be heard by the governing authorities in bodybuilding. The steroids and drug use has to stop and it will not stop as long as we condone its use by turning a blind eye to it

I was out of the game for over 40 years; I turned my back on competitive bodybuilding because I couldn't bear to watch it become overrun by drug pushers, publishers and promoters who don't give a damn about the welfare of either the sport or the athletes who participate in it, and whose sole concern lies in selling fraudulent nutritional supplements, inferior equipment, and dispensing bogus training advice and selling tickets to bodybuilding events

I wish to appeal to the young, star-struck youth within you that first became enraptured by the real bodybuilding experience. You've mentioned that both myself and, more importantly for you, Reg Park, were your heroes while you were growing up in Austria. Reg Park was a great champion, just as you were. But where are the great role models for today's youth? What do you see in today's "champions" that personifies the attributes of a champion? Where is the grace under pressure? Where is the giving back to the community? Where is the one current bodybuilding champion that you would want to instruct your children?

And this isn't the fault of the athletes, they're simply trying to achieve and maintain a highly artificial standard of muscle development that is not natural and definitely not enduring. And, if the muscle you build only stays with you as long as you're getting your synthetic hormone shots, what good is it?

As the promoter, along with your long time friend, Jim Lorimer, of what is generally considered the best bodybuilding contest in existence, the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, you have the power to lead by example. Despite what you read in the Weider magazines, your show is the king of the hill--not the Olympia. You know it, Jim Lorimer knows it, the bulk of the competitors know it and, more importantly, the IFBB knows it

The reason I know that you are still as enthusiastic about bodybuilding as I am is simple: you could have turned your back on your roots the minute you became one of Hollywood's highest paid actors, but you didn't do that. After all, you've earned the right after years and years of gut-busting workouts to walk into the sunset with your seven Mr. Olympia trophies and retire from the sport altogether, content in the knowledge that your inspiration would serve to fuel the workouts of several generations of new bodybuilders the world over. Instead, you continued to support, promote and herald the benefits of bodybuilding for all people. The cynics will say that you did it to make a buck, but the wise know better; one film would yield you the equivalent of promoting 40 years worth of these contests, and yet you still continue to promote them. That can only be explained by one thing--a genuine interest in the sport. I salute you for that, so don't let these fanatics trample underfoot the sport that you've been an integral part of and helped to sustain all these years. They've ridden on your coattails long enough, now it's up to you to take control of the future of this sport

What am I suggesting? Simply this: Insist that the IFBB mandate drug testing (and real drug testing for real bodybuilding drugs, not the joke of "*******" and "nubane" they tried to pass off as bodybuilding "drug testing" at last year's Mr. Olympia) in all of their shows. At the very least, you can insist that your show is drug tested. The IFBB will listen to you; not only do you put substantial money in their pockets in sanctioning fees, but without question you have been their most eloquent spokesman. Failing this, form your own federation; one that has new, objective, quantifiable standards for building-not the biggest physique or the "freakiest"--but the best proportioned, most inspirational and the healthiest

The IFBB will listen to you; not only do you put substantial money in their pockets in sanctioning fees, but without question promoters such as Arnold have been their most eloquent spokesman. Unfortunately, I believe, that these organizations been using bodybuilders with big followings to grease the skids of their money machine and body building - the sport we know and love - has been allowed to go to hell in a proverbial basked

Here's what I'm suggesting as criteria for all future body building shows; first of all, let's make a prejudging actually count for something more than an opportunity for the judges to glad-hand on another and play follow the leader. Let's implement real, tangible physique standards that can be adjudicated by an objective measure. for this, the judges will require a tape, a bodyweight scale and a calculator and thats it

And here's how I purpose that they use the:

PROPORTION & SYMMETRY IS THE STANDARDS

Height Optimal Weight

5'5" 160 lbs.
5'6" 165 lbs
5'7" 170 lbs
5'8" 175 lbs.
5'9" 180 lbs
5'10" 185 lbs
5'11" 190 lbs
6' 200 lbs
6'1" 210 lbs
6'2" 220 lbs
6'3" 230 lbs
6'4" 240 lbs
6'5" 250 lbs

The above figures are calculated with a medium boned person in mind. if you have heavy bones, you can add 10 pounds to the calculations and if you have light bones, you subtract 10 pounds. These are the figures that I have arrived at after studying the physiques of many champions in many sports

Once a person exceeds his ideal weight for his height, he becomes out of proportioned and not only no longer possesses a symmetrical proportioned physique, but doesn't function optimally, either. additionally, I believe if the emphasis shifts off size for the sake of size and returns to proportion and symmetry, not only will the physique look better, but it will negate the need for anabolic steroids, growth hormone injections and other heavier drugs that serve nbo purpose other than to build tissue. In fact, a person who came in heavier will be penalized for it as he would have destroyed his optimal height - to -waight ration for attaining symmetry


However, the bodyweight to height ratio would be the sole criteria for adjudication a physique. Since we also posses a bone structure that is in most cases in proportion to our height , I have further developed a method of prescribing the optimal proportions for each individual based on height and bone, size that will result in perfect symmetry

Proportion Chart

Muscle to bone ratios:
Arm = 252% of wrist
Calf = 192% of ankle
Neck = 79% of head
Chest= 148% of pelvis
Waist= 86% of pelvis
Thigh = 175% of knee


The proportion chart was calculated for men and these percentages can very from one person to another. The above proportion guidelines are calculated to be maximum measurements for a well developed, balance and symmetrical physique


I believe that if these standards of proportion were adopted and implemented by judging panels, body builders would soon have no reason to use steroids and other drugs, because their pursuit for growth for the sake of growth would actually destroy the symmetry

Any and all muscle growth should be purposeful i.e balanced or correct a muscular deficiency or lack of proportion. if, for example a competitors calves are to small for his arms, he would know - instantly - by looking at the chart when he needed improvement. No longer would there be post-contest cries of 'what are the judges looking for

A judge would simply take the measurements of height and limb circumference, contrast them with bodyweight and mark the competitor accordingly - allowing the competitor to know instantly whether or not he had made improvements in his physique or errors in his training and diet - allowing for the the first adjudicating method that was completely objective and quantifiable, not subjective and confusing. In any event, please consider my contribution in the battle to bring body building ( and bodybuilders) back to their senses

For the last 20 or so years, the image of the ideal male physique has been and continues to be distorted by bulk crazy judges. Not only that, but all of this is perpetuated by the majority of the bodybuilding magazines for their own financial gains. Disappointingly, this is done with little, if any regard as to what impression the bulky image they are promoting and encouraging has on the uninitiated person on the street

Too much size doesn't make a good impression or gain admiration and respect for the sport of bodybuilding.As I look back on the who have come and gone, I just can't help think that they could of done a better promoting and popularizing weight training if only they hadn't succumbed to the muscle magazine BIGGER IS BETTER AND BULK IS BEAUTIFUL. the bottom line is is the majority of the blame for this craziness should be placed on the judges who emphasized bulk, under the guise of proportion, and sorely neglected the absolute beauty of the human body that is balanced and symmetrical

I'm telling you straight; if the judges had of concentrated more on judging proportion and symmetry, along with muscular definition and size, and judged with a uniformity of standard, the Schwarzenegger's, Olivas, Nubrets and other of that caliber would still have been great physique stars. The big difference is that others would't have to spend so many years taking growth -enhancing substance to gain that extra bulk to become champions

Arnold, let's work together to put this derailed train back on the tracks and take this sport back to the glory and prestige it once enjoyed and can enjoy again. It won't help us personally, we're no longer competing, but it can be beneficial to the thousands of bodybuilders yet to compete; those who are just now coming along and who will be competing in the years to come

Let's give them a sport that has integrity and honor-and a method of training that will not only give them wonderful physiques, but also provide them with a lifetime of health and vitality and peace of mind

Yours Sincerely,

Steve Reeves






Steve Reeves Measurements:
Arms: 18.5"
Calves: 18.5"
Neck: 18.5'
Thighs: 27"
Chest: 54"
Waist: 30'

Height 6'1
weight 212 lbs.


This is perfection

I don't think anything compares from these eras.

Today's bodybuilders are over ripped, over sized, have no balanced, unhealthy drug users and have a very unappealing shape.

[Vadim Beliaev]

1. Reeves was a hypocritical douche

2. If physiques like that above is what you prefer you have
a) natural bodybuilding feds
b) classic bodybuilding category in the IFBB
c) men's fitness
Attend those events and you shall be pleased.

3. Since when testing did anything to stop drug use? Prohibition will never stop anything, we had what, the last 100 years to learn this? How can people still be so dumbheaded, when the evidence is not just staring directly at them, its screaming loudly in their ****in ears, and they still choose to ignore it...

4. Health and professional sports have very little in common with each other
You either strive for health or you strive to achieve the extreme performance, which is needed in ALL pro sports today.
Pushing your body to its limits will never associate with good health, sorry to break it down to you

[Captain Sagara]

I actually think a Dexter,Phil Heath,a Rockel,muscular guys with good lines look a lot better then Reeves IMO...But that's the thing you can't compare physiques from different eras ever,so much differences,methods,diets,training,drugs,you simply cant...end/thread

[Darren in Gym]

Must be an old letter considering that he died quite a few years ago now, lol he speaks of drug use, do u think he knew that arnold used? ok not the amounts or substances we see today, but it was a step in the downfall of "heathly" pro bodybuilding

[caleb56]

An Open Letter to Arnold Schwarzenegger From Steve Reeves

Dear Arnold:

As you are well aware, the state of bodybuilding is in crisis. Competitors are killing themselves taking drugs that they believe they need to win shows that ultimately count for nothing in either their careers or their lives.

I know that you love the sport of bodybuilding as much as I do, because you grew up in an era when being a bodybuilding champion meant something. It stirred heroic and noble images in your young mind of how a man could and should look and how vibrant and virile such a man could be. I know because these were the same images that first caused me to pick up a barbell and to seek to better not only my physique, but my life through physical culture (healthful living and bodybuilding).

Bodybuilding--real bodybuilding--is what I've just described. It can, and has, proven to work wonders in creating real men of substance, as opposed to what it's now become--a creator of men of real substance-abuse. It can and has opened doors--particularly to you and me. We both went on to enjoy successful careers in film and made substantial sums of money, directly as a result of the physical benefits that our bodybuilding training provided.

And that is why I am now appealing to you to join forces with me and provide a voice that will be heard by the governing authorities in bodybuilding. The steroids and drug use has to stop and it will not stop as long as we condone its use by turning a blind eye to it. I was out of the game for over 40 years; I turned my back on competitive bodybuilding because I couldn't bear to watch it become overrun by drug pushers, publishers and promoters who don't give a damn about the welfare of either the sport or the athletes who participate in it, and whose sole concern lies in selling fraudulent nutritional supplements, inferior equipment, and dispensing bogus training advice and selling tickets to bodybuilding events.

I wish to appeal to the young, star-struck youth within you that first became enraptured by the real bodybuilding experience. You've mentioned that both myself and, more importantly for you, Reg Park, were your heroes while you were growing up in Austria. Reg Park was a great champion, just as you were. But where are the great role models for today's youth? What do you see in today's "champions" that personifies the attributes of a champion? Where is the grace under pressure? Where is the giving back to the community? Where is the one current bodybuilding champion that you would want to instruct your children?

And this isn't the fault of the athletes, they're simply trying to achieve and maintain a highly artificial standard of muscle development that is not natural and definitely not enduring. And, if the muscle you build only stays with you as long as you're getting your synthetic hormone shots, what good is it?

As the promoter, along with your long time friend, Jim Lorimer, of what is generally considered the best bodybuilding contest in existence, the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, you have the power to lead by example. Despite what you read in the Weider magazines, your show is the king of the hill--not the Olympia. You know it, Jim Lorimer knows it, the bulk of the competitors know it and, more importantly, the IFBB knows it.

The reason I know that you are still as enthusiastic about bodybuilding as I am is simple: you could have turned your back on your roots the minute you became one of Hollywood's highest paid actors, but you didn't do that. After all, you've earned the right after years and years of gut-busting workouts to walk into the sunset with your seven Mr. Olympia trophies and retire from the sport altogether, content in the knowledge that your inspiration would serve to fuel the workouts of several generations of new bodybuilders the world over. Instead, you continued to support, promote and herald the benefits of bodybuilding for all people. The cynics will say that you did it to make a buck, but the wise know better; one film would yield you the equivalent of promoting 40 years worth of these contests, and yet you still continue to promote them. That can only be explained by one thing--a genuine interest in the sport. I salute you for that, so don't let these fanatics trample underfoot the sport that you've been an integral part of and helped to sustain all these years. They've ridden on your coattails long enough, now it's up to you to take control of the future of this sport.

What am I suggesting? Simply this: Insist that the IFBB mandate drug testing (and real drug testing for real bodybuilding drugs, not the joke of "*******" and "nubane" they tried to pass off as bodybuilding "drug testing" at last year's Mr. Olympia) in all of their shows. At the very least, you can insist that your show is drug tested. The IFBB will listen to you; not only do you put substantial money in their pockets in sanctioning fees, but without question you have been their most eloquent spokesman. Failing this, form your own federation; one that has new, objective, quantifiable standards for building-not the biggest physique or the "freakiest"--but the best proportioned, most inspirational and the healthiest.

Arnold, let's work together to put this derailed train back on the tracks and take this sport back to the glory and prestige it once enjoyed and can enjoy again. It won't help us personally, we're no longer competing, but it can be beneficial to the thousands of bodybuilders yet to compete; those who are just now coming along and who will be competing in the years to come.

Let's give them a sport that has integrity and honor-and a method of training that will not only give them wonderful physiques, but also provide them with a lifetime of health and vitality.

Yours Sincerely,

Steve Reeves






This is what a bodybuilder should look like

This is perfection

I don't think anything compares from these eras.

Today's bodybuilders are over ripped, over sized, have no balanced, unhealthy drug users and have a very unappealing shape.

Is it just me or is he writing this to the wrong person. Not like Arnold was natural sounds like a slap in the face if you ask me.

[Captain Sagara]

Is it just me or is he writing this to the wrong person. Not like Arnold was natural sounds like a slap in the face if you ask me.

LOL Arnold was downing dbol's on a bowl with a spoon for breakfast back in the day

[wala]

Exactly, why ask a guy for help against the very thing that he did himself back when he competed?! lol

[siersy]

LOL Arnold was downing dbol's on a bowl with a spoon for breakfast back in the day

apparently the saying "breakfast of champions" refers to Dbol

[Captain Sagara]

apparently the saying "breakfast of champions" refers to Dbol

A very manly thing...beer on a bowl of dbol's,now that's being a man

[Darren in Gym]

A very manly thing...beer on a bowl of dbol's,now that's being a man

lol who has milk on there cereal, milk is for babies lol, real men drink beer. Oh to return to a simplier time when there were pro bodybuilders in mecca bars lol

[wala]

lol who has milk on there cereal, milk is for babies lol, real men drink beer. Oh to return to a simplier time when there were pro bodybuilders in mecca bars lol

haha, yeh, a ncie bowl of cornflakes in iced cold... beer! haha

[Darren in Gym]

haha, yeh, a ncie bowl of cornflakes in iced cold... beer! haha

lol i remember reading a story once about a FLEX writer that saw a pro bodybuilder and his buddy taking some substances just before a show (probably diuretics) and he said to them try should try an old trick that Arnold used. so they asked him what it was, and he replied that Arnold would be found the night b4 the show in a local bar downing a few pints of guiness. I suppose arnold was one of the last to mix a good time with deadly serious competition

[Vadim Beliaev]

Is this a legitimate letter from Steve?


Anyway,(I'll assume it's legit for now) it doesn't matter what era Steve is from, he speaks the truth. Magazines lie, kids read magazines and soon learn that to actually look like these guys in the magazines, they need to take hormones. A distorted image of what is muscular soon emerges. But it's a false muscularity. A temporary one at that. We've all seen pics of pros who stopped using...they look like Joe average...jst the same as newbies who start reading these mags and start thinking they need to juice. All genetics my AcensoredS.

Isnt all advertising like this?
False promises?
Its called capitalism, buddy. Those who are too stupid to discern the truth from an illusion deserve to get assraped, IMO.

As for steroid users shrinking, what happens to natural guys when they stop training?
They shrink too, its not exclusive to AAS.
Body breaks down muscle which is not needed.

[Vadim Beliaev]

But the natural guy doesn't lose chemically induced muscle. And before you say it, you cannot compare creatine and protein powder to taking steroids. For 1, steroids are illegal and play havoc with ones natural hormone levels. Creatine doesn't tell your testicles that they don't need to work any more causing them to shrink.

And the natural guys muscles may shrink, but not from an un-natural size.

Did you even think about what you just said?

You train - you grow big
You stop training - you shrink
wtf is the difference how you got there?
There are pretty big naturals, and yes they will shrink just the same if they stop training

And who the hell was comparing supplements to AAS?
Besides who are you to tell me what i can take and what i cannot?
I take AAS to improve my physical performance, just the same as you take an aspirin when you get a headache.
Why do I do it?
Because it helps. And used responsibly i will not suffer any problems, just the same as you will not when taking your aspirin to treat headache

[warrioe-sage]

'Is this a legitimate letter from Steve?'

Yeah, I got it out of his books ' Dynamic muscle building and ' building a classic physique - the natural way'
.
http://www.amazon.com/Building-Class.../dp/1885096100


Read em from cover to cover, twice, in a day. Wow, different mentality to alot of whats being siad atm from various sources.
He knows a lot about the science in bodybuilding.

Interesting the way his primary focus is on the proportions of the body, and the way to get them to match his perception of the Classic Physique. Gunna try the workout in there for a few weeks because Ive been after something drastically different for a while now. Gunna try the 100 squat thing too, wish me luck


I am new to to body building and wanted to hear some opinions on this


'what happens to natural guys when they stop training?'

I know a few older guys who where natural body builders when they where younger and they still hold a lot of muscle and strength after they completely stopped lifting for many years.


There pics around that also show that Reeves was in great shape and fit during his later years (60 yrs and up till his death)

Quotable Quote by Steve Reeves
“Today, everything about the top bodybuilding champions is oversized; they have lost the whole purpose of bodybuilding which is to create a harmonious whole, not to exaggerate the development of one part or parts, of the body. A body has hands, legs, feet, arms and a head. If a man’s arms appear bigger than his head, his body is thrown out of proportion.”

“Today’s bodybuilders are carrying too much muscle for their frames, which distorts and obscures the natural lines of the body. Why these men would aspire to deform themselves at such tremendous sacrifice is incomprehensible. This has been indulged in to such an extreme that I’m thinking of sanctioning a special Steve Reeves Trophy to be presented at shows to the man whom I think has the most classical proportionate, tastefully developed physique. The man who doesn’t actually win the contest might win my trophy, which in the long run might be more prestigious.”

“I don’t believe in bodybuilders using steroids. If a man doesn’t have enough male hormones in his system to create, a nice hard, muscular body, he should take up ping pong.”

“I’m often asked how I would compare myself with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I think Arnold Schwarzenegger is in great shape. But if there were two buttons, and I could push one button and look like Steve Reeves did in Hercules, and push another button and look like Arnold Schwarzenegger did in Conan, I’d push the Steve Reeves button.”

Steve’s quote regarding anabolic steroids is interesting because they have been for decades the key to contemporary size but back in the 50s, before anabolic steroids were used, Steve evidently was into Vitamin B-12 shots as a means to up the muscle gain factor in his dynamic physique.

A true physique champion and not just a paper tiger or movie star, Steve captured innumerable bodybuilding titles.

* 1946 - Mr. Pacific Coast
* 1947 - Mr. Western America
* 1947 - Mr. America (AAU)
* 1948 - Mr. World
* 1950 - Mr. Universe (NABBA)

[Vadim Beliaev]

'
'what happens to natural guys when they stop training?'

I know a few older guys who where natural body builders when they where younger and they still hold a lot of muscle and strength after they completely stopped lifting for many years.

tell those fairy tales to some noobs outside of bbing
but please dont insult everyone's intelligence around here

[Vadim Beliaev]

It mattered to me how I got there. I'm not where I want to be, but I've come a long long way.

And I'm all too aware that when I stop training and eating like I'm training that I shrink. Been doing it on and off for years. Not only that, but the strength leaves too.

I'm not telling you what you can and can't use. If that's your thing, that's your thing. I also understand what the temptation is like to use. I just resisted. Doesn't make me any better or worse than you.

I'm not judging you.

Peace.

no problem

I have nothing against people who want to stay natural because of their own choices/beliefs, i only have a beef with those who try to force those choices/beliefs on others

[sikboy]

Makes me lol how he said competitors are killing themselves taking drugs that they believe they need to win shows, i dont see a body count of the top pros dropping like flies, do you?

He also makes out that the athletes have only just started using gear, LMAO, dbol was in use in the late 50's by many pros, by he 70's the use of gear exploded and Arnold took amongst the highest doses, lol.

He should have just kept his mouth shut because he is talking crap and up until now, i thought he was a great bb.

[warrioe-sage]

tell those fairy tales to some noobs outside of bbing
but please dont insult everyone's intelligence around here

It's no fairytale, I have seen my dad flat bench press 135 KG for reps after a few years of working out on a high volume workout when he was younger

Today he is 55 yrs old after more then 15 years lay-of from bodybuilding he can load the bar up and do 100 KG for 6 0r so reps. he picks tomatoes (10 hours a day) a doesn't eat much any more so he has lost a bit of size over the years but his muscles are still solid.

[warrioe-sage]

I've got that book. Where in the book is that letter?? I didn't see it.

The letter is in the 'Dynamic muscle building book'

http://www.home-gym.com/dynmusbuilby.html

There are a few other variations of the letter on the net (some shorter or slightly altered)

[TheGame76]

It's no fairytale, I have seen my dad flat bench press 135 KG for reps after a few years of working out on a high volume workout when he was younger

Today he is 55 yrs old after more then 15 years lay-of from bodybuilding he can load the bar up and do 100 KG for 6 0r so reps. he picks tomatoes (10 hours a day) a doesn't eat much any more so he has lost a bit of size over the years but his muscles are still solid.

Yeah, well my Dad is stronger than your Dad! So hah! J/K, I hope you dont really think his strength now has anything to do with his training 15 years ago. That is just how your dad is built. I honestly used to get WASTED 5-6 nights a week and eat maybe once or twice a day when I was in college. I could still go into the weight(even did it after drinking a couple times) and easily rep 225 for 10 reps.

[sikboy]

So, he doesn't look good to you now? You used to like him because of other things he had said?

His body still looks good considering the time that has elapsed, but after that letter he looks foolish to me.

[warrioe-sage]

Makes me lol how he said competitors are killing themselves taking drugs that they believe they need to win shows, i dont see a body count of the top pros dropping like flies, do you?

He also makes out that the athletes have only just started using gear, LMAO, dbol was in use in the late 50's by many pros, by he 70's the use of gear exploded and Arnold took amongst the highest doses, lol.

He should have just kept his mouth shut because he is talking crap and up until now, i thought he was a great bb.

What is Arnold's thoughts on steroids and bodybuilding today?

There must of been some connection or reason why Reeves would write to Arnold?


I remember reading that Arnold was against the abuse of steroid today.
I vaguely remember him saying that the amounts he took was nothing (amounts and strength) compared to what the pros are taking today?

Would you think less of Arnold or a Bodybuilder of today who said some thing similar to what Reeves is saying?

If you where a bodybuilder of the 1920's -40's what would your perception of today's bodybuilders be?

[Anabolism1000]

haha, Nice try, but there's nothing Arnold can do. You want him to pass tougher steroid laws in Californication. Arnold no longer walks the walk, he's become a non-entity.

No modern bber wants what you're proposing. The ht/wt charts are a joke, more like something Richard Simmons students might aspire to. You're basically proposing to end bbing.

[warrioe-sage]

Is it just me or is he writing this to the wrong person. Not like Arnold was natural sounds like a slap in the face if you ask me.

According to Reeves standards and charts Arnolds height to weight ratio was ideal , Arnolds height of 6 feet, 2 inches and 220 pounds is ideal ( 220 pounds was the weight he won the last two Mr Olympia contests.

Reeves height to weight ratio was also ideal at 6 foot 1 inch and 212 pounds. again no sacrificing mass for proportion.


So you can the charts take into account all sorts of variations and there is no shortage of of muscle mass on competitors and makes way for a more balanced competition

[warrioe-sage]

haha, Nice try, but there's nothing Arnold can do. You want him to pass tougher steroid laws in Californication. Arnold no longer walks the walk, he's become a non-entity.

No modern bber wants what you're proposing. The ht/wt charts are a joke, more like something Richard Simmons students might aspire to. You're basically proposing to end bbing.

I see it more as reboot and renewal to bring about balance

[Grinners]

Are Steeve Reeves really 18.5 inches...? They sure don't look that big.

[TheGame76]

Without all the drugs, todays pros probably wouldn't be much bigger than him.

Not that it isnt impressive, but I sure wouldnt pay to see him compete today. I wish people could get over the past already.

[TheGame76]

I wouldn't pay to see Ronnie or Jay either.
.

So why dont you people just become fans of natural bodybuilding and leave the IFBB alone? Do we sit on here and talk crap about natty orgs? No, dont think so. It is what is.

[sikboy]

Not that it isnt impressive, but I sure wouldnt pay to see him compete today. I wish people could get over the past already.

X2, thank god progression and evolution.