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Negging a PUA (Reps Rewarded)
Lol...worst thread title ever, but I figured it would warrant the most attention on this board.
So here's the situation: I like this guy who's not an actual player (he's had serious relationships in the past/ doesn't cheat when he's dating someone), just basically a major flirt.
I work with him (a part-time job, so I'm not too worried if anything negative were to arise in the future, I'd simply switch jobs if things were uncomfortable), and he flirts with a lot of the girls. Now I see it...he's got some of these girls eating out of the palms of his hand, but he doesn't go for it. I think he's definitely one to like a girl who's more hard to get and can match him/give him a challenge.
So here's my first question: What advice would you guys offer to a girl who's looking to flirt without flirting? Lol...he'll mock you, use sarcasm, ya know, all that good stuff. I'm just looking for some pointers on things that'll throw him off his game. It's just that with him being so used to girls flirting with him, I can't flirt in the typical sense if I want to stand out and make him want more...keep in mind I'm naturally a fairly witty/sarcastic person. Sometimes he'll walk by and wink at me, and I contemplate doing the same which I think would surprise him slightly, but guys tend to take any obvious signals like that as a direct invitation for sex and as we know that's not my goal...yet.
Also, second question: Since he's conjured up such an "endearing" nickname for me, I'm compelled to return the favor. Any general suggestions? His name's Zak.
Reps rewarded for anyone who puts the extra effort into helping me. Somehow as I was contemplating my dilemma I thought of you guys and knew you'd be just the ones to ask!
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01-14-2007, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperChick
Lol...worst thread title ever, but I figured it would warrant the most attention on this board.
So here's the situation: I like this guy who's not an actual player (he's had serious relationships in the past/ doesn't cheat when he's dating someone), just basically a major flirt.
I work with him (a part-time job, so I'm not too worried if anything negative were to arise in the future, I'd simply switch jobs if things were uncomfortable), and he flirts with a lot of the girls. Now I see it...he's got some of these girls eating out of the palms of his hand, but he doesn't go for it. I think he's definitely one to like a girl who's more hard to get and can match him/give him a challenge.
So here's my first question: What advice would you guys offer to a girl who's looking to flirt without flirting? Lol...he'll mock you, use sarcasm, ya know, all that good stuff. I'm just looking for some pointers on things that'll throw him off his game. It's just that with him being so used to girls flirting with him, I can't flirt in the typical sense if I want to stand out and make him want more...keep in mind I'm naturally a fairly witty/sarcastic person. Sometimes he'll walk by and wink at me, and I contemplate doing the same which I think would surprise him slightly, but guys tend to take any obvious signals like that as a direct invitation for sex and as we know that's not my goal...yet.
Also, second question: Since he's conjured up such an "endearing" nickname for me, I'm compelled to return the favor. Any general suggestions? His name's Zak.
Reps rewarded for anyone who puts the extra effort into helping me. Somehow as I was contemplating my dilemma I thought of you guys and knew you'd be just the ones to ask! 
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01-14-2007, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperChick
Lol...worst thread title ever, but I figured it would warrant the most attention on this board.
So here's the situation: I like this guy who's not an actual player (he's had serious relationships in the past/ doesn't cheat when he's dating someone), just basically a major flirt.
I work with him (a part-time job, so I'm not too worried if anything negative were to arise in the future, I'd simply switch jobs if things were uncomfortable), and he flirts with a lot of the girls. Now I see it...he's got some of these girls eating out of the palms of his hand, but he doesn't go for it. I think he's definitely one to like a girl who's more hard to get and can match him/give him a challenge.
So here's my first question: What advice would you guys offer to a girl who's looking to flirt without flirting? Lol...he'll mock you, use sarcasm, ya know, all that good stuff. I'm just looking for some pointers on things that'll throw him off his game. It's just that with him being so used to girls flirting with him, I can't flirt in the typical sense if I want to stand out and make him want more...keep in mind I'm naturally a fairly witty/sarcastic person. Sometimes he'll walk by and wink at me, and I contemplate doing the same which I think would surprise him slightly, but guys tend to take any obvious signals like that as a direct invitation for sex and as we know that's not my goal...yet.
Also, second question: Since he's conjured up such an "endearing" nickname for me, I'm compelled to return the favor. Any general suggestions? His name's Zak.
Reps rewarded for anyone who puts the extra effort into helping me. Somehow as I was contemplating my dilemma I thought of you guys and knew you'd be just the ones to ask! 
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insult his manhood. it's the only way.
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01-14-2007, 11:16 PM
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Why does dating have to be so complicated?
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01-14-2007, 11:17 PM
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Pics? Of you. It would help to see what this guy is going to be not flirting with. (serious) If your super hot, then you should act like your totally not interested. You should have him by the balls. If your average, you may need to use more aggressive tactics.
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01-14-2007, 11:19 PM
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lol, good one bro..
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01-14-2007, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by iamGigantor
Zak the Ball Sak
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While amusing, I'm not 12, and neither is he (luckily   )
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insult his manhood. it's the only way.
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LOL, awesome. I just hate it though...because while I want to neg him, I'm not sure I thoroughly have him, and I don't want to come off as a bitch. I mean don't get my wrong, I smile/laugh a lot and all, but I don't want to come off as too harsh. *Shrug* Well I suppose he should be able to take it.
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Why does dating have to be so complicated?
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This ain't a philosophy class, now get crackin' on some nicknames.
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Pics? Of you. It would help to see what this guy is going to be not flirting with. (serious) If your super hot, then you should act like your totally not interested. You should have him by the balls. If your average, you may need to use more aggressive tactics.
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I've had photos up before, rather not post em atm just because it's tedious. Most posters on here know what I look like. I'm attractive, but I wouldn't say 'super hot', I'm more the cute/hot than hot/hot if that makes sense lol.
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lol, good one bro..
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*Sigh* Boys will be boys...
Thanks for the replies guys! Keep 'em comin'!
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01-14-2007, 11:39 PM
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Look girl, cut the crap. Leave all the PUA, complicated 'games' to us men. That's OUR job. It's OUR job to complicate things, get shot down in flames, try again and eventually break you ladies down. You're a female, that means you dont have to do that BS. If you want his nuts, just straight out come out and say it. What man in his right mind would turn down some free cooch?
Just pull him aside in some corner somewhere, push him up against the wall, grab a handfull of his balls and say: "Look, I want you, and I know you want me, meet me(time and place) unless you're a pussy" Then turn around and walk away. Simple. Done. Not so hard is it?
"But I dont wanna look like a slut *puppy eyes*" you say? Ummmm WHO CARES??? You're gonna look like one anyway when he's got your ankles pointing to the north star.
Good luck and God bless.
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Watchout for zack or he'll give you a sack wack
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01-14-2007, 11:53 PM
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Put mothballs in his coffee. Beat him at something he's good at.
Your the Sniper here, you should know what to do.
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01-14-2007, 11:57 PM
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For the record guys... she is SUPER hott. I've seen pics when she's posted. Anyway, carry on. Sniper, it's kinda tough. Every guy is different. You have to just get to know him and figure him out a little bit. Just leave him wanting more every time.
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01-15-2007, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Hustla_Ambition
Look girl, cut the crap. Leave all the PUA, complicated 'games' to us men. That's OUR job. It's OUR job to complicate things, get shot down in flames, try again and eventually break you ladies down. You're a female, that means you dont have to do that BS. If you want his nuts, just straight out come out and say it. What man in his right mind would turn down some free cooch?
Just pull him aside in some corner somewhere, push him up against the wall, grab a handfull of his balls and say: "Look, I want you, and I know you want me, meet me(time and place) unless you're a pussy" Then turn around and walk away. Simple. Done. Not so hard is it?
"But I dont wanna look like a slut *puppy eyes*" you say? Ummmm WHO CARES??? You're gonna look like one anyway when he's got your ankles pointing to the north star.
Good luck and God bless.
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F'ing reading comprehension problem if I ever saw one. I clearly stated that my goal was NOT just sex.
Oh and for the record, your great little piece of advice about leaving 'complicated games' to you 'men' is laughable. Boys play games, men don't. Way to emasculate yourself.
EDIT: Thanks for all the other posts guys, and thanks Phate >_<
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01-15-2007, 12:10 AM
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What's his name for you?
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F'ing reading comprehension problem if I ever saw one. I clearly stated that my goal was NOT just sex.
Oh and for the record, your great little piece of advice about leaving 'complicated games' to you 'men' is laughable. Boys play games, men don't. Way to emasculate yourself.
EDIT: Thanks for all the other posts guys, and thanks Phate >_<
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Right.. right, so you want to try and tie down a certified P.I.M.P. Good luck with that one.
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looky ere mamita its like jrrbadboy said just give him the cold shoulder now and again it will mess his game up.......
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Why don't you sarcastically refer to him as a ladies man. Hell, work in some of the PUA terminology. If you want him to regard you as a worthy foe on the battlefield of love, you might want to make it obvious you've read his playbook. Make fun of the fact that he's always flirting.
But my advice is always the same- don't complicate your game with all this cloak and dagger BS. Just be a more confident, outgoing version of yourself if you want to get someone to actually like you (not just briefly interest them with clever tactics).
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01-15-2007, 12:25 AM
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call him power ranger... the black one was so cool... he could bust a move
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LOL nice advice guys, most was entertaining, and some was quite helpful. Much appreciated.
As for the nickname I think I came up with an amusing one (at least to me) - Spike. He plays volleyball hence 'spiking', but it's great because it sounds like some gay porno name from the 80's. What do you think?
Oh and as for the nick he gave to me, it's not really a genuine nickname. It's that my twin sis used to work there for a few months so he's calling me her name on purpose and it pisses me off because it's not cute, just annoying. I want him to stop --if there's one thing a twin hates more than being called her sis' name, it's being called it on purpose. Anyway of course I can't let him know this because I have a feeling he'd do it even more of course, so I'm hoping this 'll be some incentive.
Discuss.
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01-15-2007, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SniperChick
LOL nice advice guys, most was entertaining, and some was quite helpful. Much appreciated.
As for the nickname I think I came up with an amusing one (at least to me) - Spike. He plays volleyball hence 'spiking', but it's great because it sounds like some gay porno name from the 80's. What do you think?
Oh and as for the nick he gave to me, it's not really a genuine nickname. It's that my twin sis used to work there for a few months so he's calling me her name on purpose and it pisses me off because it's not cute, just annoying. I want him to stop --if there's one thing a twin hates more than being called her sis' name, it's being called it on purpose. Anyway of course I can't let him know this because I have a feeling he'd do it even more of course, so I'm hoping this 'll be some incentive.
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You must really like him if that sort of thing comes across as anything other than annoying to you (the name mix-up).
If you want to continue with his lead, then you should try to find something embarrassing that has happened to him, preferably at the place where you work, and then extrapolate a nickname from that experience.
Or if you want, you could buy him some of those spandex shorts that girls wear for volleyball to sort of undercut his masculinity? I don't know, its late, I've been drinking and I'm just throwing things out there. Alright, I've been drinking ALOT.
Maybe there is something to his likely full name of Zachariah? I remember Zachariah as being the guardian of Mary in the Bible, or something like that. Not a long of good joke material coming out of the Old Testament now is there . . . hmmmmm
Anyway, I'll keep drinking and get back to you.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hustla_Ambition
Look girl, cut the crap. Leave all the PUA, complicated 'games' to us men. That's OUR job. It's OUR job to complicate things, get shot down in flames, try again and eventually break you ladies down. You're a female, that means you dont have to do that BS. If you want his nuts, just straight out come out and say it. What man in his right mind would turn down some free cooch?
Just pull him aside in some corner somewhere, push him up against the wall, grab a handfull of his balls and say: "Look, I want you, and I know you want me, meet me(time and place) unless you're a pussy" Then turn around and walk away. Simple. Done. Not so hard is it?
"But I dont wanna look like a slut *puppy eyes*" you say? Ummmm WHO CARES??? You're gonna look like one anyway when he's got your ankles pointing to the north star.
Good luck and God bless.
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*CLAPS*
THAT **** WAS ****ING HILLARIOUS
YOUR SO MONEY AN U DONT EVEN KNOW IT!!!
oh and Spike? lol R U SERIOUS? dont answer
Ok let me put it like this :
This guy already knows hes a pimp player. Put it this way. he already knows he could have you if he wanted you. The fact that you are putting so much thought into this proves he has gotton into your head and he can probably sense that from you.
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You must really like him if that sort of thing comes across as anything other than annoying to you (the name mix-up).
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Oh nono, the name thing isn't an example of him flirting...he simply does it on purpose because he knows it bothers me (a-la-grade 2), I explained because someone asked what the name was.
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If you want to continue with his lead, then you should try to find something embarrassing that has happened to him, preferably at the place where you work, and then extrapolate a nickname from that experience.
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Hmm, yes I'll try and work on that.
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Or if you want, you could buy him some of those spandex shorts that girls wear for volleyball to sort of undercut his masculinity? I don't know, its late, I've been drinking and I'm just throwing things out there. Alright, I've been drinking ALOT.
Maybe there is something to his likely full name of Zachariah? I remember Zachariah as being the guardian of Mary in the Bible, or something like that. Not a long of good joke material coming out of the Old Testament now is there . . . hmmmmm
Anyway, I'll keep drinking and get back to you.
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LOL nice to see you're trying to help on the side.
Anyone else have any opinions on 'Spike'?
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*CLAPS*
THAT **** WAS ****ING HILLARIOUS
YOUR SO MONEY AN U DONT EVEN KNOW IT!!!
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*Notices poster is in the red* Ahh...carry on.
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Oh nono, the name thing isn't an example of him flirting...he simply does it on purpose because he knows it bothers me (a-la-grade 2), I explained because someone asked what the name was.
Hmm, yes I'll try and work on that.
LOL nice to see you're trying to help on the side.
Anyone else have any opinions on 'Spike'?
*Notices poster is in the red* Ahh...carry on.
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Alright, this just came to me, and keep in mind I'm totally drunk, but have you thought about mocking his volleyball interest wherever it is you work?
Like if he says "Hey, Sniperchick from bodybuilding.com, would you pass me some paper clips?" You could "set" the paper clips up in the air and yell for him to spike them . . . wow, even I thought that joke was lame. Think of the mess caused by all those paper clips going everywhere.
Oh well, another couple of drinks and I won't be able to feel feelings anymore.
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Spike is a terrible nickname. If you want to get into his head, call him a f`ag.
Tell him you think he's gay - i'm completely serious, it will work. If you're half decent looking he'll feel challenged, and want to prove you wrong.
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hahaha thats good... how about zak attack think i heard it on saved by the bell but might be a decade too late
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pull your pants down and allow him to plow away.
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Just tell him how you feel. **** the games.
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Hmm the Resident Female doesn't know how to **** test a guy?
I know you like the guy, and this might sound somewhat redundant, but being indifferent towards the guy might piss him off if he is flirting at you..(not sure if he is).
When I've met some girls I've been interested in and they were indifferent towards my advances it REALLY pisses me off so point taken.
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eat phallic looking foods slowly. that should do it.
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Originally Posted by SniperChick
Lol...worst thread title ever, but I figured it would warrant the most attention on this board.
So here's the situation: I like this guy who's not an actual player (he's had serious relationships in the past/ doesn't cheat when he's dating someone), just basically a major flirt.
I work with him (a part-time job, so I'm not too worried if anything negative were to arise in the future, I'd simply switch jobs if things were uncomfortable), and he flirts with a lot of the girls. Now I see it...he's got some of these girls eating out of the palms of his hand, but he doesn't go for it. I think he's definitely one to like a girl who's more hard to get and can match him/give him a challenge.
So here's my first question: What advice would you guys offer to a girl who's looking to flirt without flirting? Lol...he'll mock you, use sarcasm, ya know, all that good stuff. I'm just looking for some pointers on things that'll throw him off his game. It's just that with him being so used to girls flirting with him, I can't flirt in the typical sense if I want to stand out and make him want more...keep in mind I'm naturally a fairly witty/sarcastic person. Sometimes he'll walk by and wink at me, and I contemplate doing the same which I think would surprise him slightly, but guys tend to take any obvious signals like that as a direct invitation for sex and as we know that's not my goal...yet.
Also, second question: Since he's conjured up such an "endearing" nickname for me, I'm compelled to return the favor. Any general suggestions? His name's Zak.
Reps rewarded for anyone who puts the extra effort into helping me. Somehow as I was contemplating my dilemma I thought of you guys and knew you'd be just the ones to ask! 
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Dunno about the first bit. Games are stupid.
Second bit? Call him, "Hey, you f ucking c unt!"
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01-15-2007, 07:24 AM
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If you want to make yourself stand-out in his mind, don't laugh at his teasing of you, do something unexpected.
There was a girl I was flirting with, if something bad happened to a friend of hers, I would say "Hey, your friend is going around saying it's your fault.". It was an obvious attempt at teasing her, cause she knew it wasn't true.
Well, this chick would never react like I expected her to. If I said the above she'd say "Well, it is my fault". I'd usually be left with nothing to say.
It didn't necesssarily make me more attracted to her, but it did make me think about her a lot more cause I'd be like "WTF?".
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