Post Workout carbs: Maltodextrin/Dextrose or Oats/Banana?

DTrulez616 · 06-13-2008, 12:28 PM

Im debating on where my PWO carbs should come from?

Ibballard · 06-13-2008, 12:33 PM

I go for the whole foods whenever possible. Oats, banana, and milk are usually the elements of my PWO carbs. Not like using dextrose or maltodextrin is going to hold you back, I just consider it gratuitous unless you're really at competition level.

yummiyoshi · 06-13-2008, 12:33 PM

oats FTW

DTrulez616 · 06-13-2008, 12:37 PM

Alright, for this workout session im gonna go with oats and a banana for carbs. I just had a meal so I dont think Dextrose and Maltodextrin are gonna benefit me much.

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 12:47 PM

I'm getting sick of the sub 150lbs people giving unsound advice.

Ibballard · 06-13-2008, 12:55 PM

You think oats PWO is a bad idea? Why is that?

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibballard

You think oats PWO is a bad idea? Why is that?

I think a carb is a carb and that's a fact... The only advantage oats have over WMS is the steady flow of insulin and possible health benefits.

Carbs are carbs no matter how you slice it.

bestman1 · 06-13-2008, 12:57 PM

i advice to take carbs with high glycemic index for jump the insulin and stop the cortisol hormone and also carbs with low glycemic index.

yummiyoshi · 06-13-2008, 12:58 PM

i'd rather get some nutrients out of my carbs rather than empty calories from carbs like plain sugar

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by yummiyoshi

i'd rather get some nutrients out of my carbs rather than empty calories from carbs like plain sugar

You're 5'9" 132lbs...

yummiyoshi · 06-13-2008, 01:00 PM

and what are u 5'5", 260 lbs?

soundcheck129 · 06-13-2008, 01:00 PM

Not to take this too far O/T, but what's your PWO of choice, Aaron?

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by soundcheck129

Not to take this too far O/T, but what's your PWO of choice, Aaron?

My pwo is the following:

35g of WPI
75g Waxy Maze Starch
5g Creatine Mono
2g Beta-Alanine

1-1.5hrs later, whole meal.

Ibballard · 06-13-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by -Aaron-

I think a carb is a carb and that's a fact... The only advantage oats have over WMS is the steady flow of insulin and possible health benefits.

Carbs are carbs no matter how you slice it.

Steady flow of insulin and possible health benefits. That right there seems like a good reason to eat them pwo. Plus, it seems like eating oatmeal would be a positive thing because it's a pretty filling food overall, and as you adjust to eating a lot of oats it gets easier for you to eat other things, and people this skinny need to be eating real food all the time.

Yeah a carb is a carb. But I'd rather have these people developing a healthy appetite and looking to eat constantly than dumping sugar in a drink and considering it a food "alternative".

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibballard

Steady flow of insulin and possible health benefits. That right there seems like a good reason to eat them pwo. Plus, it seems like eating oatmeal would be a positive thing because it's a pretty filling food overall, and as you adjust to eating a lot of oats it gets easier for you to eat other things, and people this skinny need to be eating real food all the time.

Yeah a carb is a carb. But I'd rather have these people developing a healthy appetite and looking to eat constantly than dumping sugar in a drink and considering it a food "alternative".

There are other benefits of insulin spiking in terms of body recomposition and muscle gain...

soundcheck129 · 06-13-2008, 01:09 PM

Word. I've been doing sliced peaches, oats/WW flour/ and whey, figured I might as well try to hit all the bases. Except for fat, of course, because it's evil.

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 01:12 PM

All I will say is; My strength, mass, and recovery has improved since switching from oats to waxy.

I plan on competing down the line, so my goals may differ from others.

bestman1 · 06-13-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by -Aaron-

All I will say is; My strength, mass, and recovery has improved since switching from oats to waxy.

I plan on competing down the line, so my goals may differ from others.

dont u use in carbs with high glycemic index at all?

soundcheck129 · 06-13-2008, 01:16 PM

So waxy is a complex carb with a high GI, basically? Is there anything similar I could sub for it?

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bestman1

dont u use in high glycemic index at all?

I use Waxi Maze Starch.

Ibballard · 06-13-2008, 01:19 PM

Yeah it sounds like you're also in considerably higher performance shape than these guys are. I appreciate the info though, I am getting close to another bulking cycle and I'm definitely at the point I want to get the maximum benefit out of my nutrition, so I'll look into the waxy. Thanks man, repped for the solid experience.

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by soundcheck129

So waxy is a complex carb with a high GI, basically? Is there anything similar I could sub for it?

Other than malto, which I will never advocate using, not really.

bestman1 · 06-13-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by -Aaron-

I use Waxi Maze Starch.

i see it contain 0g of sugars how do u want stop the cortisol hormone if u dont jump your insulin?

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bestman1

i see it contain 0g of sugars how do u want stop the cortisol hormone if u dont jump your insulin?

It's a high-g.i. complex carb... I'm also using LX until the bottle runs out.

Dave P · 06-13-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bestman1

i see it contain 0g of sugars how do u want stop the cortisol hormone if u dont jump your insulin?

Whey alone gives enough of an insulin response to blunt cortisol.

-Aaron- · 06-13-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave P

Whey alone gives enough of an insulin response to blunt cortisol.

Broscience ftl.

Dave P · 06-13-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Broscience ftl.

Not at all.

I'll take Alan's word every time.

Sibrek · 06-13-2008, 01:52 PM

whichever tastes better

beyondthesmile · 06-13-2008, 02:25 PM

Hey guys,

Sorry for what may be a dumb question but does your choice of PWO meal differ when you are cutting vs bulking?

I'm a female trying to lose fat (I'm not competing, now or ever, lol, just looking to lose some weight I gained when I was having some health problems). Is whey and a banana an acceptable PWO meal?

TIA

djansen · 06-13-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by -Aaron-

All I will say is; My strength, mass, and recovery has improved since switching from oats to waxy.

I plan on competing down the line, so my goals may differ from others.

and you attribute all this to waxy? nothing else in your training, rest and diet could have led to this?

I will note though that I have done alot of research on the subject of spiking insulin pwo from many different sources and it seems that the people saying gi does not matter are not really that educated in nutrition and do not compete or have very impressive physiques and alot of the people advocating pwo spikes are competitors or trainers. Other than Alan most people I still belive use high gi carbs pwo. One thing I will note is that Alan is very convincing and he backs up his points by science and I realize that the reason those competitors are in great shape is not just because they use high GI carbs pwo.
Just to be safe I use half high gi and half low gi, waxy and sweet potatoes ftw!