ACL Xtreme Tren and HMG stack

**klepto** · 06-10-2008, 10:08 PM

I would first like to say that I have been lifting for about 6 years now and this is my first prohormone cycle ever. I am 21 years old.

I am currently on my 3rd week of ACL Xtreme Tren and I have been seeing really great results thus far. I also have a bottle of ACL HMG and I was thinking about stacking the two. I was planning on starting the HMG at the beginning of the 4th week of my Tren and contunuing it for the full four weeks. My cycle would look as follows...

Week 1: Tren
Week 2: Tren
Week 3: Tren
Week 4: Tren + HMG
Week 5: HMG
Week 6: HMG
Week 7: HMG + start post cycle (Test booster, Estro blocker (6oxo), and liver detox

Would this be too much for my first cycle ever? I have read that you often do not want to go over 4 weeks for your first cycle. Do any of you guys have experience stacking the two? I have read that HMG is much like a hard cutter and an esrtro blocker which would be great after the Tren to shred me up a bit more. Thanks,

Klep

**norcalsfinest** · 06-10-2008, 11:38 PM

whats the compound in hmg??

**klepto** · 06-11-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by norcalsfinest

whats the compound in hmg??

2a, 3a-Epithio- 17a-methyl- 17B-hydroxy-5a-etioallocholane

**norcalsfinest** · 06-11-2008, 06:05 PM

as for running two pro hormones for your first ph cycle i wouldnt suggest that. i would run the tren first and see how you respond to it.

i know you've probabally heard it 1000 times but make sure you have your pct lined up and support sups.

**Dave P** · 06-11-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by klepto

2a, 3a-Epithio- 17a-methyl- 17B-hydroxy-5a-etioallocholane

I think this is a clever way of re-wording Havoc. (correct me if Im wrong)

Whats the pricing on it?

You'd probably be better getting Havoc or Epistane since they have much more positive feedback.

-edit- also there are much cheaper versions of Tren than the ACL one.

**klepto** · 06-11-2008, 10:27 PM

I understand running 2 pro-hormones on the first run isnt always suggested. So far the Tren is working really well, I have gained about 5-6 lbs of solid muscle in 2 weeks and the strength/endurance gains are incredible.

I have noticed a bit of testicular shrinkage, which is to be expected, and have been experiencing some mood swings and a bit of depression here and there.

What do you guys recommend for good test boosters, liver detox and estro blockers for a post-cycle? Should this post-cycle be started at the beginning of the last week of my tren?

And i did get a good deal on the HMG and the Tren. I get a 15% discount at Max Muscle.

**dmangiarelli** · 06-11-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by klepto

I understand running 2 pro-hormones on the first run isnt always suggested. So far the Tren is working really well, I have gained about 5-6 lbs of solid muscle in 2 weeks and the strength/endurance gains are incredible.

I have noticed a bit of testicular shrinkage, which is to be expected, and have been experiencing some mood swings and a bit of depression here and there.

What do you guys recommend for good test boosters, liver detox and estro blockers for a post-cycle? Should this post-cycle be started at the beginning of the last week of my tren?

And i did get a good deal on the HMG and the Tren. I get a 15% discount at Max Muscle.

PCT should be started the day after your last dose of the cycle.

**jeremybyrd** · 06-11-2008, 11:28 PM

you need to be running your liver protect with the tren.... ive heard good things about liver longer.

also you could have got spawn for 65 (tren + epistane) which im pretty sure is the same thing your taking but 200 bucks cheaper

**Pretty Boy Floyd** · 10-18-2008, 09:52 PM

do you need a PCT after HMG alone?

**DoWorkSon__** · 10-18-2008, 09:57 PM

It was my understanding that HMG could be used as a PCT. Am I the only one that has heard this?

**Twin Towers** · 10-18-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by jeremybyrd

you need to be running your liver protect with the tren.... ive heard good things about liver longer.

also you could have got spawn for 65 (tren + epistane) which im pretty sure is the same thing your taking but 200 bucks cheaper

never seen spawn for $65.

anyways op; I'll be the first to say you should have had your PCT down to a fine science before jumping on cycle. It appears your set on OTC so my best advice would be a reversitol + AI's PCS for PCT. It has everything you need. Check out www.OTCPCT.com great info in there. DMan did one hell of a job on that

**Pretty Boy Floyd** · 10-19-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by DoWorkSon__

It was my understanding that HMG could be used as a PCT. Am I the only one that has heard this?

yeah, seems that way

**Oto** · 10-20-2008, 12:42 PM

klepto...

how did this cycle work for you? I just started this same cycle yesterday. Previously I did tren with ah-89 and this was effected but I had some bloating....this time around I am doing tren and hmg and am going to keep my diet in better check...also will probably start on some tribulus in about a week or two...try to keep the libido up

**tapyouout** · 10-28-2008, 08:50 PM

just started this cycle...did a 2 month cycle of tren xtreme by itself once before...results were great!!...gained 5 solid pounds but got way tighter and SUPER vascular compared to normal...the only side effect i got (which REALLY sucks) is my sex drive was completely gone...it's normally very high....it's been several months since i did that cycle...i just found out about the hmg product and was told by several people that are on both that it's working great....noah steere (the 6'6 monster endorsed by ids) owns a store in my city..i talked it over with him and he said the hmg will definately be good to run with it...he always shoots me straight..i've tried to buy stuff from him before and he's talked me out of it..i'll keep you g uys posted on my results with this cycle....

by the way, i'm sure this post will start an ids bashing since i mentioned my friend noah is endorsed by them...not trying to put in a word for them, just stating that in case anyone wants to look him up...6'6 335lbs and shredded muscle..it's f'n insane to see him in person...take care and good look to anyone that tries either of these products

**Oto** · 10-29-2008, 05:11 AM

after about a week I took myself off this cycle. I did not like the sides. I was extreamly irratable....snapping at everyone around me. I also went from 198 to 205 in a week! I have to think this is water. I feel extreamly bloated and my pants are a little tight....this all being said on the week I was on this cycle I was lifting very heavy....I may of had to much sodium in my diet and retained water. Ive been off this cycle for 2 days and yesterday I had one of my better workouts in awhile. My stamania was up the whole time and I just felt jacked and very strong.

Hey tapyouout.....are u in NC? I see you train with Team-Roc...arent they out of Raleigh. I had a buddy that use to fight with Team-Roc a few years ago.

**tapyouout** · 10-30-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Oto

Hey tapyouout.....are u in NC? I see you train with Team-Roc...arent they out of Raleigh. I had a buddy that use to fight with Team-Roc a few years ago.

i train at the one in fayetteville...there are several team-rocs across NC...all great schools...who's your friend that trained there?

**stevezor** · 10-30-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by DoWorkSon__

It was my understanding that HMG could be used as a PCT. Am I the only one that has heard this?

you're kidding, right? Look at the compound posted above, it's Epistane/Havoc.

**Oto** · 10-30-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by tapyouout

i train at the one in fayetteville...there are several team-rocs across NC...all great schools...who's your friend that trained there?

His name is John Sullivan but he goes by Ubie Sullivan....this was a few years ago

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